Piece of What?

ok rsaxena -- all indian papers call the maoist guerilla fighters in assam and the northeast ``ultras`` -- the guerillas say time and again that they are fighting for autonomy and the abuse of power by the centre in new delhi -- how come indian papers then continue to call them ``ultras`` or ``terrorists`` -- is that journalism? and dont answer that since i suspect you would again degenerate to a personal level -- yes that probably is their editorial policy -- obviously a concept u seem unfamiliar with --

omair_r_quraishi #84:

``romair -- your spot on about your observation on the english press in pakistan and that in india -- without trying to sound jingoistic the indian press usually follows the line of the establishment in india, esp when it comes to matters related to national security and/or kashmir, something that the english press here in pakistan doesnt do so much at all``

This is a bit rich, considering that the Pak press, including Dawn, is of the ``Freedom fighters kill seven of wedding party`` variety. The Indian media, OTOH, is known for opposing the govt stand on almost every issue that one can think of. Newspapers have exposed countless scams (Bofors by The Hindu to recent petrol pump scandal by Indian Express), and led crusades against corrupt leaders. The only time when the Indian media went majorly wrong was during the Emergency, when in Advani`s famous words, ``when they were asked to bend, they crawled``, with the honourable exception of the Indian Express.

If the Indian media, by and large, takes the establishment line on national security and J&K, could you consider the possibility that it is because the establishment line is RIGHT? Even when it comes to national security, you are wrong - the Indian media has criticised the govt for intelligence failures in Kargil, and for the extended deployment of the army at the LoC and IB.

You just seem to be frustrated that the Indian media is not saying, lets hand over J&K to the Pakis.

Sigalph -

I do write for Mrs. Mustafa who is the editor of Books and Authors. Lovely lady. The Books and Authors section has been the best idea Dawn has had all year long, and I am sure she was the one who thought of it! But I am not with Dawn on a peromanent basis, I merely freelance for them.

Reply #: 109

jay

``Wrong information amounts to insulting the intelligence of PTV viewers. More than anything else, PTV has a duty towards its viewing public.``

This guy who wrote the letter does not know how PTV works. It is a govt media, designed to propogate a certain viewpoint. I am not shocked at the misinformation about the number of jews in India. What if many Pakis truely believe that to be the case? I am reminded of my good Pakistani friend in New York who innocently asked me once if Chinese had not come all the way to Bombay during the 1962 war! Needless to say i had a good laugh.

Sridhar

re Bina 113

On a tangent, are you still with DAWN? Do you know an editor (with Books Review) by the name of Zubeida Mustafa?

Bina #113

Fair enough. Here are Dawn articles by Omar Kureishi:

http://www.dawn.com/2002/07/31/spt8.htm

http://www.dawn.com/2000/08/09/spt8.htm

http://www.mnet.fr/aiindex/Kargil/warclouds.html

And here is Omar R Quraishi:

http://www.dawn.com/2002/07/27/fea.htm#1

I`d read any number of Dawn articles by the first - and presumably more famous - gentleman, (occasionally on current events but mostly on cricket) but none by the second; I couldn`t make out a clear difference in opinions based on the Chowk posts.

Omar is a journalist for the Dawn; I`ve met him many times covering Karachi events and while working for the Dawn myself. The Omar Kureishi that you refer to is some famous fellow, I believe uncle of Hanif Kureishi. Omar R. Qureshi calls himself such to make sure there is no confusion between the two names.

rsaxena #110

{...dude, you work for a newspaper that LIES...it takes articles from other news agencies and replaces individiual words (i.e. ``terrorists`` become ``freedom fighters``) and does not even acknowledge that it did that...}

What you say about Dawn`s alteration of articles is very true. However, I could not help noticing that the Dawn columnist and sports commentator transcribes his name as Kureishi, quite unlike his doppelganger omar_r_quraishi on Chowk. There may be nothing to it of course ... just thought I`d mention it.

Omar 108,

Sorry to have upset you. You are far better than the experts of PTV, and you are only a journalist, interpretation and knowledge cannot be your speciality. From dawn of today

PTV panelist`s wrong claim

I was quite shaken to my foundations upon seeing a programme on PTV aired in the Middle East about India`s `Jewish connection`. The programme in Urdu (Aug 27) was a discussion by four panelists on India`s `sham democracy` and `sham secularism` etc.

No complaints about that as any government can further its agenda. However, I was shocked out of my wits when a lady panelist said that ``more than 350 million people in India are of Jewish origin.``

At first I thought I was hearing things, but the figure of 350 million was repeated ad nauseum. There had been a few thousand Jews in India in the past but, I think, only a few dozen may have left now and that, too, only in the southern Indian state of Kerala.

Wrong information amounts to insulting the intelligence of PTV viewers. More than anything else, PTV has a duty towards its viewing public.

A.C. JOHN

Doha, Qatar

re: omar_quraishi

...dude, you work for a newspaper that LIES...it takes articles from other news agencies and replaces individiual words (i.e. ``terrorists`` become ``freedom fighters``) and does not even acknowledge that it did that...that is journalism???....hahaha....you must be a goddamn idiot to believe that...kinda like your dictator deluding himself and his country that he is holding ``elections``...

Tidbit;

[Harpeet: is her new novel any good?? *bias creeping in * =p]

- I dont know, thats why I was asking whether it was worth reading :)

She wrote an article about a recent festival of India that was held in London and she just relayed lazy leftist platitudes about white Britains attitude to multi-culturalism mixed with a Pakistanis eye view of Englands Indian community. So I wondered if her fiction was any better than her journalism.

-h-

hahah jay - it seems u have an alleged mind -- better to have a dictator who is up front about his intentions than to have someone like l k advani who as deputy prime minister and interior minister is probably the worst despot going around -- in any case mr jay (afraid to give your real name now? tsk tsk) -- if your ever in karachi, and i suspect your probably not resident in pakistan, plz do drop in by my alleged office in the alleged newspaper Dawn -- hahahah your use of alleged by the way is quite faulty --

and oh yes, mr jay (or K or whatever), i suppose there is legislation in india against killings of dalits and tribals by upper castes -- stop making such a fool of yourself ! hahah

QUALITY OF JOURNALISM, POST 84

fOLLOWING IS A QUOTE BY AN ALLEGED TOP JOURNALIST OF PAKISTAN, OF COURSE IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE, ONE OF THE EDUCATED ELITES OF PAKISTAN.

``romair -- your spot on about your observation on the english press in pakistan and that in india -- without trying to sound jingoistic the indian press usually follows the line of the establishment in india, esp when it comes to matters related to national security and/or kashmir, something that the english press here in pakistan doesnt do so much at all -- i might be a bit biased perhaps since i am a journalist myself in an english newspaper in pakistan but it seems a pretty fair assessment``

///Where the alleged journalist has missed the point is that the india is not ruled by a dictator, nor a system when nawaz was signing the lahore declaration, the military was organising invasion at kargil. The military and the nawaz govt stated that kargill invasion was by the jihadists and thousands of pak troops died in disgrace. In india, the govt being an elected one, there is a lot of convergence between the views of the govt and that of the elite.

Again take the example, honour killing, every chowk paki says he/she/it is against it, but the mighty ,ushy who can make so much changes to the constitution cannot dare to declare honour killing as illegal. Take the case of dowry killing in india, there have been specific legislations against it.

The post by the alleged journalist is the lowest point of pak education and journalism.

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re: romair`s book club picks

1) imran khan-- i dont know romair ...........

hey do you speak kashmiri?