Organized Irrelevance

OIC may be useful for some other people or countries but it is useless for Pakistan. Actually it is harmful for Pakistan to be attached to this piece of sh1t. Pakistan, a poor third world country, should run for cover at the first sight of organized religions, religious organization, political organizations based on religions and international associations based on ``stinking heap of garbage`` heritage. Pakistan must be out only for Pakistan, Pakistanis, progress, trade, peace, good neighbors etcetra.

OIC may be useful for some other people or countries but it is useless for Pakistan. Actually it is harmful for Pakistan to be attached to this piece of sh1t. Pakistan, a poor third world country, should run for cover at the first sight of organized religions, religious organization, political organizations based on religions and international associations based on ``stincking heap of garbage`` heritage. Pakistan must be out only for Pakistan, Pakistanis, progress, trade, peace, good neighbors etcetra.

So a free press that see it duty to : do exactly what? Tell the truth? financed by whom? Al-Jazeerah is heavily subsidized by Qatari authorities, but that`s not what we want, right?
``It is high time that we, the peoples of the Muslim Ummah, push for a true Organization of Islamic Cooperation, focusing on tangible goals: raising literacy, building schools, wells and roads, improving the status of women, increasing opportunities for higher education, promoting inter-Islamic tourism, trade and cultural cooperation, strengthening the Islamic family, supporting Muslim values, ethics and economic practices and so forth. Unity will only be established amongst those that understand the necessity of such unity, and the great sacrifices it entails.``
I`m confused, does such an agreement exist, to do the things you suggest? And is this a widespread, general agreement? Or will will it take some top down (OK, we`ll call it ``grass roots`` or some such) effort to create such an agreement? Don`t get me wrong I agree with the goals you mention. I`m all for secularization, just not secularism.

Why The OIC Is Not the Answer for “WE” the Muslims -- because in 2002 – there is no OBC to answer for “WE” the Buddhists –- no OHC for “WE” the Hindus – no OCC for “WE” the Christians.

The Delusional disease of Unionitis of Umma or Ummitis -- that the subcontinental Muslims uniquely suffer from – is a creation of their pathological attachment to a religion and the rootless ness brought by their twisted Psyche continually fed since childhood -- upon fairy tales of the glorious religious PAST – that never existed.

That mirage of Unity for the Muslims – was, is, and will be -- nothing but an illusion/delusion -- since the very beginning -- when they assassinated Omar while he was praying in the masjid – beheaded Osman while he was reading Koran – or cut into pieces prophet’s grandson Hussein when he was dying of thirst.

Let’s face it – today -- the only ‘Good Muslim’ is a BACKWARD Muslim -- ONLY hundred years behind the Christians – who were no better than us – BUT – that was hundred years ago -- when they also had their own OCC’s -- only to kill each other in the 100 year fratricidal Cristian wars of Europe.

But there is still hope for the Muslim if not in 2002 – in 2100 -- if we can get rid of IRRELEVANT organizations like OICs -- NOW.

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I am supporeter of belonging to as many international organizations, as possible, even if they are useless (like the OIC).
However, I have never quite been able to figure out this concept of Muslim Ummah. What exactly is an Ummah? And has it ever existed, other than in the initial stages of Islam? The answer would have to be a, ``No.``
During the life of Hazrat Ali, there was actually a battle between the forces of Hazrat Aisha and Hazrat Ali, in which some very prominent Sahaba died. After Hazrat Ali, the Muslim, ``Ummah`` ended up being a kingdom, with a Caliph, or smaller kingdoms with a bunch of Caliphs. That is what exists today. Hence, historically there is very little history of a united Muslim Ummah`s existence. If even the Sahaba (whether one looks at them from a religious point of view or a secular point of view, one has to agree they were the most successful people in the world, during their days) were fighting it out with each other, then one would have to say a united Ummah is not an easy concept to pull off.
In essence, there is no Islamic Ummah, other than in the idealistic minds of people who want there to be one. This maybe tragic, it may be uneconomical, but it is true. So what is the point of tying ones camel to something which doesn`t exist, in the hope that it may come into existence, someday.
Pakistani Muslims are treated like third class citizens by Arab Muslims (at least by the rich ones). Iraqi Muslims and Irani Muslims rencently finished a ruthless war. Iraq Muslims invaded Kuwait. Turkish Muslims kill Kurd Muslims. As do Iraqi Muslims. Pakistani Muslims and Bangladeshi Muslims went to war. Indian Muslims fight on the opposite side of Pakistani Muslims. Taliban Muslims fight Northern Alliance Muslims. The list goes on and on......
In such an atmosphere, with so many political anamolies (e.g. Kurds, Kashmiris, Turks and Pakistanis are predominantly all Muslim. But Turkey will not support Pakistan`s stance on Kashmir, because that would bind Turkey`s hands from killing its own Kurds. ), how can an Ummah exist.
I don`t think it is a practical idea to hope for an international organization with massive amount of co-operation just on the basis of religion (there is nothing wrong with basing it on a common religion. It`s just that it won`t work) . That will only work in an ideal society, in which each Muslim is willing to look after his other Muslim brother. In the current world, co-operation is based on common economic interests. Hence, Pakistanis need to try to become part of large economic unions, Muslim or otherwise. After all, Prophet Muhammad and his wife did run an import-export business that traded with all kinds of people with different religions.
The other even more important form of a union, would be one based on human rights. Unfortunately, such unions only exist in private organizational forms like AI, but do not exist at national organizations, involving countries (although the International Criminal Court etc. are trying to initiate this). If such a union does come into existence, then it should take action against human rights abusers all over the world, regardless of their religion and the amount of money they put into the world economies. Once that happens, the whole world will be a better place, for people of all religions.

Mr Haroon Moghul,

Your article is in itself is an oxymoron. The title is : ``Why The OIC Is Not the Answer`` yet in it you suggest in the end that `` It is high time that we, the peoples of the Muslim Ummah, push for a true Organization of Islamic Cooperation ...``! Sounds like Musharaff`s ``real (true) democracy``.

Ever heard of the term humanity!

QuantumQuark

Romair:``After all, Prophet Muhammad and his wife did run an import-export business that traded with all kinds of people with different religions. ``

Actually, Prophet Mohammad`s wife, Khadija ran the business, he was employed by her. She took a liking to him, was the one who proposed, she was 25 years his senior, a widow, who had been married before, it was his first marriage. Mohammad learnt alot from her and did not marry again while she lived. He got to travel and learn about other cultures and customs because of that job.

Once he received wahi and became focused with Islam, the business stopped. Not exactly sure what happened with it.

I dont understand what kind of hold India has over the OIC.

Does it require money to pass a resolution to condemn (in the harshest possible way), the slaughter of Muslims in Gujrat?

Why cant the OIC take an unequivocal stand to support Pakistan re Kashmir, I mean a resolution with some teeth?

Trashing Israel, with a sugar daddy like the US, firmly backing it, is a waste of time. India, OTOH does not have a sugar daddy (like the erstwhile Soviet Union) anymore. India is far more vulnerable to international pressure than Israel is. There is nothing that India has to offer that the OIC nations cant get from other sources.

Its not the lack of funds that makes the OIC ineffective. Its the lack of BALLS.

Re: Shankar`s Last Posting

-- The reason the OIC is so pathetic in the face of Indian actions that are offensive to Muslims is, well, because Pakistan has done a rather poor job of building ties to other Muslim countries. Because of our ideological background, we associate our religion and our nationalism quite tightly together (on the whole), whereas in other Muslim countries, this is unfortunately not the case.

Now, during the Cold War, most Arab states sided with the USSR and India did as well, laying a groundwork for scientific and technological cooperation between these states. Post-independence in Central Asia, India actively sought to help these states through technological and economic cooperation... while Pakistan`s misguided foreign policy basically aided all the anti-government groups operating in Central Asia and Afghanistan. As a result, the governments of many Muslim countries became increasingly pro-India and warier of Pakistan.

That`s why the OIC is always waffling on the issue of Kashmir. India simply has done a better job of selling itself, while many Muslim countries are -- quite obviously -- not at all representative of their religious values or camaraderie... often they stand even against the views of their own respective populations. The other problem Pakistan has is that it just doesn`t have as many resources as India, so it can`t offer as much assistance.

shankar: OIC, JI of Pakistan, Ikhwan of Egypt, Nahdat-Ul-Ulema of Indonesia were all cretaed by Saudi backing to follow Saudi agenda. Kashmir, Chechniya etcetra are not high on saudi agenda.
The most important thing for Saudis is to be respected and acdepted as pro-Islamic monarchy, in order to justify and prolong their rule over Muslim holyland - a monarchy otherwise known for raids on caravans in the past. Technically any person of King Abdullah of Jordan or King of Morrocco or even ex-king of Libya Shah Idrees has more claim on Saudi Arabia for being the descendants of Mohammad.
For poor third world Muslim countries like Pakistan, OIC is first step towards a good political/ economic relationship with USA through the intermediacy of Saudis. Saudis are the main arbiter of Muslims with USA.

re: faziiet # 10

Why would you say that India has simply done the job of selling itself better?

You begin by laying out, what I believe, is the truth. India and Pakistan have DONE very different things, taken very different ACTIONS in the global arena.

These actions involve costs, lead to commitments, relationships, understandings, and ofcourse, consequences.

One country has built its foreign policy on pan-Islamism, other has built it on mutual interests.

If I had two people who behaved completely different toward me, I would behave differently toward them. Where does ``selling`` come into play?

Help me understand.



re: sameerjb, Shankar

You folks know all this stuff better. But, could it be, partly at least, because of what nasah wrote: that Ummitis is a disease that particuarly affects some people in the subcontinent, that for others it is not as all encompassing dream as it appears to be for Haroon Mughal and his cohorts.

Could it be that others are more keen on pursuing their own interests than some worldwide Islamic dreamland? And if that is the case, then why do you expect their behavior to be any different from what it is?

shankar:
could it be because the Indian Army has had a field hosptial in Tajikistan to help the wounded in the Northern Alliance, and also a hospital in Kabul, whereas Pakistan has exported Islamist revolutionaries to all neighboring countries?

Prem: To some extent nasah is right. The reason I say ``to some extent`` is the fact that only official level and among some urbanites, Ummah disease exists. Otherwise majority of the people of Pakistan, just like people anywhere else want better life, justice and peace. The Pakistani establishment line has been to make sure Pakistani thinks think themselves of not-Indian, not south Asian but part of Islamic world, west of Pakistan. Majority of Muslims live in Indonesia, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh. This majority is not so much considered Ummah by Pakistani establishment but Arabs, Iranians, Afghan, Turkey and central Asian Muslims. Hardly any Pakistani head of state visits these majority Muslim countries but rush to Arab countries, especially to KSA every other month.
All Pakistani establishment to do is to stop publicizing Ummah business for couple of years and Ummah Shummah stuff will be left for religious parties and mullahs sermons. Actually there are more Muslims in Phillipines than Chechniya and more Keralite Muslims than Palestinians but Pakistanis and OIC are mostly concerned with smaller groups of Muslims to the west than the larger ones to the east. The reason has also to do with all the invading barbarian heroes coming from the west.
OIC is like British Commonwealth, based on not-so-proud legacies. Yet even India has never seriously considered leaving Commonwealth, although British monarch is the life-term head of this organization. Every two-years all the leaders stand behind Queen shamelessly.
One thing that makes me proud of Pakistan more than India is that Z. A. Bhutto, like Ireland before, left commonwealth for the sake of pride. Pakistan should not have gone back. Had Nehru dumped Commonwealth, many countries would have left it.

Prembhai, Nasahbhai

“Ummitis is a disease that particuarly affects some people in the subcontinent”

Ummitis is VARY DANGROUS diseases! Plz! b hoshiyar! Ia m think if you brtush/flossing reglarly it isok. Also gargling with zamzam pani.

Haroonbai, I am likingy our aticle. Donut listening to all peoples whoa re asking nastyquastions, logical flanaflana,ok? Youj ust writew hat you are feel in heart. Be strung! Many Muslim/Muslimah are believe whaty ousay. (Nasbandibai is alsowrite like this shreef thins, proper Islamic behaviorus ands oforth)

Slaam!

re: sameerjb # 14

I have no idea what British Commonwealth does. All it definitely does is to indicate which good-for-nothing countries once had the privilege of being slaves of the British. Perhaps the slave in us is not dead yet.

Oh, we get to have some books from the British Consulate! That must be it. A few shillings and pounds, some contacts, may be.