Islamic Utopia?

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#79 by dost-mittar

dost-mittar,

I haven`t let out even one word about my opinion on Indian Muslims because that is not the argument here. I have concentrated on why our friends from across the border have such strong opinions on how they are being treated despite what is happening in their own country. I think the problems of minorities in Pakistan make what is happening to minorities in India look like a Sunday picnic by comparision. As they say, physician, heal thyself.

Let me reword what I said. It should say ``do you realise how ridiculous you sound when you say I should not beat my wife when you well know you have murdered yours``.

``82 by sadna tvarad #76
Your statement to dost-mittar sounds like this `` do you realise how ridiculous you sound when you say I shouldnot beat my wife when you well know my neighbour murdered his``.``

Wrong. It should be ``do you realize how ridiculous you sound when you say I should not beat my wife when you well know that you are beating yours``.

YLH,

Another prescriptive article by a dishonest psuedo intelectual. He knows ahat the pakistanis should do, but do not have the guts to do something. Why not an article about lala lajpat roy istead of writing about sher sha suri.

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Your statement to dost-mittar sounds like this `` do you realise how ridiculous you sound when you say I shouldnot beat my wife when you well know my neighbour murdered his``.

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77 by Tipu,

I don`t think you get what I am saying but to simply state that Pakistan happened and we should live happily ever after is simply ridiculous because everyone knows it was not a fairy tale. The undercurrents of emotions of that era still run through the sub-continent and if you deny it, you are nuts. The numerous wars and assorted mayhem haven`t happened in a vacuum.

As I keep saying, if Pakistan had made it`s peace with India at the time of independence and concentrated on the difficult job of nation-building, it would have been one thing. But my belligerence against Pakistan is simply because of what I see it as today: a total failure and what a waste it has been. Essentially it is an apology for the 1000 years that Islam has been in India. It`s citizens are unwanted arond the globe. Everywhere there is a terrorist attack, the name Pakistan immediately crops up. Diplomats stationed there are not allowed to bring their family along and have short rotations. It`s cricket team is essentially on refugee status, playing everywhere in the world except Pakistan! It`s leaders will pimp the country at the drop of a hat just to live for another day to fight this ridiculous ideological fight. This ideology is taken to such an extreme that the Government of Pakistan actually intervened to stop a 20 year old bimbo from contesting as a Pakistani in a beauty contest in Japan! I think if there is to be introspection from Pakistanis, it should be about what is happening in their country instead of saying ``poor Indian Muslims, see what is happening to them``.

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#74 by dost-mittar

``But the creators of Pakistan had never promised a rose garden for minorities in their future promised land. This is not the case for India. Her leaders promised muslim Indians a secular country where there would be no discrimination against them. ``

This is what I call ``Mullah logic``. It`s called ``Heads I win, Tails you lose`` and the fundamental problem that Indians have with why Pakistan was created. ``We can discriminate against our minorities because we`re islamic but you`re not allowed to discriminate against your minorities because you`re secular``. In the same vein as ``We want Pakistan because Muslims cannot live with Hindus but it is the responsibility of Hindus to live with the Muslims that are left behind``. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?

Of possible relevance - a piece by Rafiq Zakaria in Mid-Day

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re: harimau

{People like Studebaker take the opportunity and still badmouth India. }

...12-head is not indian...that is pretty obvious...he`s as much indian as he is a doctor one day, an engineer the next, a barber another, and so on...

AAmir


Good indicators assuming that all these studies have been done scientifically and not so as to boost theories.

Regarding Kerala ,it is indeed the simple arithmetic of population growth that catapulted Muslims to 30% or more of the population. The last district to go 100% literate in Kerala was the Muslim majority dist. of Malappuram. Average family sizes there are way above the average for Christian or Hindus of Kerala. So much so that much like the Bangladeshis Malabari Muslims are migrating and changing the demographics of many states. One only hopes sanity will prevail and we will not have any political exploitation of these migrations.

The problem with comparisons with Turkey and Indonesia is that these countries have long turned vastly Muslim with token non-Muslim presence and it is easier for social decisions in such cases than say India where half of the Muslim leadership exploits the nature of their constituents.

True change cannot happen unless the Muslim areas of UP, MP etc reform and that may take more than this generation to do , it will also need instituations such as the AMU to step up to the plate with some radical ideas.

Interesting article:

``My late night conversations with Asim became a regular feature. During one such conversation, I asked him what people in his neighbourhood and community thought about the elections and the Mutahidda Majlis-e-Amal’s landslide victory. He laughed and said, “Omar bhai, these things are concerns for you, driving in your comfortable car. Someone like me doesn’t care whether the PPP is in power, or Nawaz Sharif or the maulvis. I just care about getting my mother and me three meals a day and not getting beaten up by other beggars.” `` (http://www.thefridaytimes.com/)