Islamic Utopia?

re: harimau

{People like Studebaker take the opportunity and still badmouth India. }

...12-head is not indian...that is pretty obvious...he`s as much indian as he is a doctor one day, an engineer the next, a barber another, and so on...

Of possible relevance - a piece by Rafiq Zakaria in Mid-Day

(via sulekha newshopper, oops)

http://www.sulekha.com/redirectNh.asp?fromwhere=http://www.sulekha.com/hopper.asp?pg=2&SortBy=1&cid=261121

#74 by dost-mittar

``But the creators of Pakistan had never promised a rose garden for minorities in their future promised land. This is not the case for India. Her leaders promised muslim Indians a secular country where there would be no discrimination against them. ``

This is what I call ``Mullah logic``. It`s called ``Heads I win, Tails you lose`` and the fundamental problem that Indians have with why Pakistan was created. ``We can discriminate against our minorities because we`re islamic but you`re not allowed to discriminate against your minorities because you`re secular``. In the same vein as ``We want Pakistan because Muslims cannot live with Hindus but it is the responsibility of Hindus to live with the Muslims that are left behind``. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?

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77 by Tipu,

I don`t think you get what I am saying but to simply state that Pakistan happened and we should live happily ever after is simply ridiculous because everyone knows it was not a fairy tale. The undercurrents of emotions of that era still run through the sub-continent and if you deny it, you are nuts. The numerous wars and assorted mayhem haven`t happened in a vacuum.

As I keep saying, if Pakistan had made it`s peace with India at the time of independence and concentrated on the difficult job of nation-building, it would have been one thing. But my belligerence against Pakistan is simply because of what I see it as today: a total failure and what a waste it has been. Essentially it is an apology for the 1000 years that Islam has been in India. It`s citizens are unwanted arond the globe. Everywhere there is a terrorist attack, the name Pakistan immediately crops up. Diplomats stationed there are not allowed to bring their family along and have short rotations. It`s cricket team is essentially on refugee status, playing everywhere in the world except Pakistan! It`s leaders will pimp the country at the drop of a hat just to live for another day to fight this ridiculous ideological fight. This ideology is taken to such an extreme that the Government of Pakistan actually intervened to stop a 20 year old bimbo from contesting as a Pakistani in a beauty contest in Japan! I think if there is to be introspection from Pakistanis, it should be about what is happening in their country instead of saying ``poor Indian Muslims, see what is happening to them``.

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tvarad #76
Your statement to dost-mittar sounds like this `` do you realise how ridiculous you sound when you say I shouldnot beat my wife when you well know my neighbour murdered his``.

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YLH,

Another prescriptive article by a dishonest psuedo intelectual. He knows ahat the pakistanis should do, but do not have the guts to do something. Why not an article about lala lajpat roy istead of writing about sher sha suri.

``82 by sadna tvarad #76
Your statement to dost-mittar sounds like this `` do you realise how ridiculous you sound when you say I shouldnot beat my wife when you well know my neighbour murdered his``.``

Wrong. It should be ``do you realize how ridiculous you sound when you say I should not beat my wife when you well know that you are beating yours``.

Let me reword what I said. It should say ``do you realise how ridiculous you sound when you say I should not beat my wife when you well know you have murdered yours``.

#79 by dost-mittar

dost-mittar,

I haven`t let out even one word about my opinion on Indian Muslims because that is not the argument here. I have concentrated on why our friends from across the border have such strong opinions on how they are being treated despite what is happening in their own country. I think the problems of minorities in Pakistan make what is happening to minorities in India look like a Sunday picnic by comparision. As they say, physician, heal thyself.

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dear harimau and other bjpites:

i am not the one who is having nightmares about the past 1000 years. in fact i sleep extremely soundly indeed. and before i go to sleep everyday, i say a small prayer for jinnah to thank him for insuring that i don’t have to live next door to you guys. who says ethnic cleansing does not work. thanks also for taking east pakistan off our hands. i certainly do not want my tax rupee subsidizing another basket case economy. bangalis were grateful for their independence and they showed their gratitude by lynching mujib, by denying their hindu accomplices any participation in the government and by migrating to karachi in droves to work as our menial servants without the protection available to them as pak citizens

also before you start fantasizing about blowing up the kaaba, start by demolishing the little red mosque in the center of old dilli. however I don’t have much hope. you guys have as much courage as saurav ganguli in front of shoaib akhtar. otherwise you guys would not have left you 5000 year homeland in Pakistan at the first sign of trouble.

Adnan (#64) … on Maudoodi …

‘…Maudoodis booklet ``Qadiani Masalaa`` which does not incite hatred but is a scholarly evaluation of the Ahmadi claims …’

Scholarly evaluation … by a mullah who also tells us to believe in … what else … but a prophet residing above the clouds … for two thousand years … who will one day descend to earth on the shoulders of two angels …

Even Urstruly is intelligent enough to reject such nonsense … (Rrrright Urstruly?). So much for scholarly works of Maudoodi ...