A Comparison of Fashion
Omar R Quraishi November 2, 2002
#82 Posted by SameerJB on November 11, 2002 7:28:26 pm
Pankaj: No, no , no. You are making my image on the basis of my only post about matrimonial ad that tahmed loved so much. That was written in jest and not true at all. The beauty index would have gone up foir notches, had I married my first, second third and fourth loves in Pakistan. The second third and fourth happened to be first`s younger sisters. Had I married my first cousin which my grandparents and father wished but not my mother, the beauty standard would have remained unaffected but would have made me richer.
At least three desi women, one from pickle land, one from batata-wada land and one from holy Ganges land praised this Punjabi hunk in the past. Thus far Kaur land have evaded me............and one damn Indian Sindhi although I convinced her that Sindhi and Punjabi share common cultural heritage of Indus people.
[This act of supreme self sacrifice on my part would raise the average beauty index of Indians]
Try raising the index by massaging beauty and try to keep the index raised for at least 15 minutes.......:-))
At least three desi women, one from pickle land, one from batata-wada land and one from holy Ganges land praised this Punjabi hunk in the past. Thus far Kaur land have evaded me............and one damn Indian Sindhi although I convinced her that Sindhi and Punjabi share common cultural heritage of Indus people.
[This act of supreme self sacrifice on my part would raise the average beauty index of Indians]
Try raising the index by massaging beauty and try to keep the index raised for at least 15 minutes.......:-))
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#81 Posted by tahmed32 on November 11, 2002 11:18:27 am
Pankaj #74 I join shankar in applauding your supreme sacrifice of not propogating your genes, thereby upping the average looks-index. On this veterans day, I in fact award you the Vir Chakkar, the Victoria Cross, AND the Medal of Honor. You are also eligible to receive the Nishan-i-Haider, and I will be sure to make mention of your supreme sacrifice in my dispatches to Field Marshall Romair who will no doubt be pleased to personally pin the Nishan-i-Haider in an impressive ceremony. In addition to being the first non-Pakistani to get the medal, you will also be the first living person to get it. What an honor!!
On second thoughts, screw the medals and go jump the bhayyian instead. As shankar recommends.
On second thoughts, screw the medals and go jump the bhayyian instead. As shankar recommends.
#80 Posted by shankar on November 11, 2002 7:34:58 am
Pankaj,
{{This act of supreme self sacrifice on my part would raise the average beauty index of Indians and by the grace of God :-) we will achieve parity with Pakistanis.}}
That was mighty patriotic & philanthropic of you bhaiyya-jaan:)!
I dont care if you are uglier than Jagjeevan Ram...we need more IIT grads from UP, like you. No offense, but I thought a UP-IIT grad was an oxymoron (like Polish-MIT grads). You, sir, have broken the mold! I`m still waiting for a Bihari IIT grad to grace Chowk:)!!
I guess bhaiyya IIT grads will be able to accurately calculate the trajectory of a flying chair, before you fling it in the State Assembly! Not for nothing, at least your ``throw`` will be more accurate in the next Assembly riot!:)
IIT Nerds RULE, Pankaj Maharaj! I dont care how ugly you look. A bhaiyya who graduated IIT & works in ``phoren`` will command the most beautiful bhaiyyin in the village; as far as your ``marriage marketting`` goes. From a ``well respected`` family too!
By Romair`s law of averages, there has to be quite a few ``freak`` pretty bhaiyyins--cos of your superfecundity rates, for you to choose from. So your descendants will be good looking. Just be careful with bhayyins, though. Seeing how quickly you can multiply, I sometimes think bhayyins can become pregnant even if they take a deep breath!
{{This act of supreme self sacrifice on my part would raise the average beauty index of Indians and by the grace of God :-) we will achieve parity with Pakistanis.}}
That was mighty patriotic & philanthropic of you bhaiyya-jaan:)!
I dont care if you are uglier than Jagjeevan Ram...we need more IIT grads from UP, like you. No offense, but I thought a UP-IIT grad was an oxymoron (like Polish-MIT grads). You, sir, have broken the mold! I`m still waiting for a Bihari IIT grad to grace Chowk:)!!
I guess bhaiyya IIT grads will be able to accurately calculate the trajectory of a flying chair, before you fling it in the State Assembly! Not for nothing, at least your ``throw`` will be more accurate in the next Assembly riot!:)
IIT Nerds RULE, Pankaj Maharaj! I dont care how ugly you look. A bhaiyya who graduated IIT & works in ``phoren`` will command the most beautiful bhaiyyin in the village; as far as your ``marriage marketting`` goes. From a ``well respected`` family too!
By Romair`s law of averages, there has to be quite a few ``freak`` pretty bhaiyyins--cos of your superfecundity rates, for you to choose from. So your descendants will be good looking. Just be careful with bhayyins, though. Seeing how quickly you can multiply, I sometimes think bhayyins can become pregnant even if they take a deep breath!
#79 Posted by tahmed32 on November 10, 2002 7:17:42 pm
rsaxena #77 this ``discussion`` could go on forever. let me end it by expressing admiration at your sense of humor by referring to that brick in my behind. you can have the last word if you like by responding to this post, or you can trot off to some other board without responding. i dont have anything more to add beyond what i said in my last couple of posts to you.
#78 Posted by tahmed32 on November 10, 2002 7:17:42 pm
sameerJB #73 I thought your self-description (``I have height like Mirza Jatt, moustache like Jagga Jatt, hairstyle like Bhinda Jatt, voice like Yamla Jatt, nose like Jatt da gandasa, walk like Put JattaN de, ...... ``) was funny, actually. (I got sidetracked trying to help rsaxena overcome his inferiority complex, and so could not comment on this before.)
As for who we are descended from: I doubt if anyone in the subcontinent can really trace his ancestry much before the early 19th century - I knew a chap whose family claimed to be descended from Mughals, and so went to court to reclaim their family possessions (a few little buildings like the Lahore Fort, Badshahi Masjid etc.). Since those buildings remain public property, I assume that he never could prove descent. And in any case, go back long enough, and we are all descended from four legged furry little mammals anyway.
The russians used to have a good joke about race and ethnicity: ``The German Superman is tall and slim. Like Goering (who looked like a beached whale). He is handsome. Like Goebbels (who looked like an aids patient). And he is blond. Like Hitler.``
As for who we are descended from: I doubt if anyone in the subcontinent can really trace his ancestry much before the early 19th century - I knew a chap whose family claimed to be descended from Mughals, and so went to court to reclaim their family possessions (a few little buildings like the Lahore Fort, Badshahi Masjid etc.). Since those buildings remain public property, I assume that he never could prove descent. And in any case, go back long enough, and we are all descended from four legged furry little mammals anyway.
The russians used to have a good joke about race and ethnicity: ``The German Superman is tall and slim. Like Goering (who looked like a beached whale). He is handsome. Like Goebbels (who looked like an aids patient). And he is blond. Like Hitler.``
#77 Posted by rsaxena on November 10, 2002 3:22:28 pm
re: tahmed
...like i said, lighten up and learn to take a joke...that brick in your behind is not gonna help :)...
...like i said, lighten up and learn to take a joke...that brick in your behind is not gonna help :)...
#76 Posted by tahmed32 on November 10, 2002 2:01:34 pm
rsaxena #73 you are frustrated, i can see, at my showing how your post betrays your deep seated inferiority complex. dont get mad at me for having exposed that. get mad at the environment that produces specimen like you and harimau and arjun.
#75 Posted by SameerJB on November 10, 2002 2:00:11 pm
tahmed321: I am sure you did not take my post seriously. I was poking fun at pride in extra-desi origins. I am just like you, native for the last umpteenth generation, perhaps more Harappan `blood` than any other. But my next generation might be half mongoloid half desi. I have a term for half chinese half desi in USA; it is Himalayan americans.
#74 Posted by Pankaj on November 10, 2002 1:30:21 pm
Saxena, Sameer and Tahmed jee
I was in a state of deep meditation sitting in front of my laptop pondering over how to increase the beauty(or handsomeness in males) index of India to achieve parity with Pakistan. Exactly at 2:50:58 PM, Buddha like enlightement struck me and I raced outside my little stuffy cabin crying eureka, eureka to breath some fresh air. Guess what, this is possible if Sameer and myself decide not to propagate our genes. In Sameer`s case, it would bring down the beauty index of Pakistan by one notch. As for myself, I am infact so ugly that I cover my face with mask all the time lest some sweet blond kid has a heart attack. Simply my presence in the Indian community brings down the average beauty index of Indians by at least one notch despite being diluted by a factor of 1bn-1. This act of supreme self sacrifice on my part would raise the average beauty index of Indians and by the grace of God :-) we will achieve parity with Pakistanis.
I was in a state of deep meditation sitting in front of my laptop pondering over how to increase the beauty(or handsomeness in males) index of India to achieve parity with Pakistan. Exactly at 2:50:58 PM, Buddha like enlightement struck me and I raced outside my little stuffy cabin crying eureka, eureka to breath some fresh air. Guess what, this is possible if Sameer and myself decide not to propagate our genes. In Sameer`s case, it would bring down the beauty index of Pakistan by one notch. As for myself, I am infact so ugly that I cover my face with mask all the time lest some sweet blond kid has a heart attack. Simply my presence in the Indian community brings down the average beauty index of Indians by at least one notch despite being diluted by a factor of 1bn-1. This act of supreme self sacrifice on my part would raise the average beauty index of Indians and by the grace of God :-) we will achieve parity with Pakistanis.
#73 Posted by rsaxena on November 10, 2002 11:30:12 am
re: tahmed
...dear uncleji, please remove the brick from your behind and lighten up...most of the posts here are half in jest...cheerio... :)
...dear uncleji, please remove the brick from your behind and lighten up...most of the posts here are half in jest...cheerio... :)
#72 Posted by tahmed32 on November 10, 2002 11:05:35 am
rsaxena #71 That was a joke (which you didnt get despite your ``hehe``, and which I am too tired to explain). I dont know about IQ, but rest assured that ugly I am not, nor ``single-pasli`` like one of your south indian nerds (as you put it).
Incidentally, I find it interesting that you equate the term ``hindu convert`` with ugliness. This indicates a fairly low self-esteem, and also explains your constant need to belittle pakistanis.
Incidentally, I find it interesting that you equate the term ``hindu convert`` with ugliness. This indicates a fairly low self-esteem, and also explains your constant need to belittle pakistanis.
#71 Posted by rsaxena on November 10, 2002 10:24:10 am
re: tahmed32
{what about us lowly descendants of hindu converts?? }
...so you look ugly but have the high IQ genes to compete with the best of the south indian nerds...hehe
{what about us lowly descendants of hindu converts?? }
...so you look ugly but have the high IQ genes to compete with the best of the south indian nerds...hehe
#70 Posted by rsaxena on November 10, 2002 7:10:46 am
re: pankaj
{3. Pakistani soldiers, the symbol of martial ``tall fair and handsome`` Pakistani race, are all the more respected in Pakistan after having ``successfully`` faced Indian ``onslaught`` for 8 months and having won Kargil war. }
...hehe...i wonder what these people call failure if they call getting an ass whupping ``success`` :)..
{3. Pakistani soldiers, the symbol of martial ``tall fair and handsome`` Pakistani race, are all the more respected in Pakistan after having ``successfully`` faced Indian ``onslaught`` for 8 months and having won Kargil war. }
...hehe...i wonder what these people call failure if they call getting an ass whupping ``success`` :)..
#69 Posted by tahmed32 on November 10, 2002 7:10:46 am
dost mittar #64 you write ``and the sialkoti munda migrated to India``
maybe so. but we got the girl that sang (nur jehan).
and i understand she utilized to the hilt (if that is the phrase) the services of the many fine handsome young men she ran into in lahore.
maybe so. but we got the girl that sang (nur jehan).
and i understand she utilized to the hilt (if that is the phrase) the services of the many fine handsome young men she ran into in lahore.
#68 Posted by tahmed32 on November 10, 2002 7:10:46 am
sameerJB #67 hey, forget these pakistan grandsons of the muhammed bin qasim and shah iran and sher shah suri. what about us lowly descendants of hindu converts?? i think some of us could charm any woman off her feet anytime we want.
as for the beautiful pathan men, they dont need any reminders that they are God`s gift to mankind: as anyone who has seen a pathan preening his face for hours before the tiny mirror of the ``niswar ki dibbi`` can tell you.
as for the beautiful pathan men, they dont need any reminders that they are God`s gift to mankind: as anyone who has seen a pathan preening his face for hours before the tiny mirror of the ``niswar ki dibbi`` can tell you.
#67 Posted by SameerJB on November 9, 2002 8:17:10 pm
Why don`t everybody put their picture up on their pages and let me decide if there is any individual more handsome than me. I have height like Mirza Jatt, moustache like Jagga Jatt, hairstyle like Bhinda Jatt, voice like Yamla Jatt, nose like Jatt da gandasa, walk like Put JattaN de, ......
Anybody interested in mitthey ganney, mithet ganney roz choopiye, yaari JattaN de munde de nal laaiye
Hor choopo ganney.........
Pankaj: Actually Pakistani men of Arab, Persia, Afghanistan origin are handsome and that is 80-90 percent of Pakistani men. Okay exclude Afghanistan because they are considered beautiful and not handsome. They are beautiful in rakou and gorgeous in sajda.
Anybody interested in mitthey ganney, mithet ganney roz choopiye, yaari JattaN de munde de nal laaiye
Hor choopo ganney.........
Pankaj: Actually Pakistani men of Arab, Persia, Afghanistan origin are handsome and that is 80-90 percent of Pakistani men. Okay exclude Afghanistan because they are considered beautiful and not handsome. They are beautiful in rakou and gorgeous in sajda.
#66 Posted by Pankaj on November 9, 2002 5:54:34 pm
I have drawn three conclusions after reading the responses:
1. Indian men are uglier than their Pakistani counterparts. Of course exceptions exist but they may be freaks of nature.
2. Indian girls are uglier than Pakistani ones. Of course exceptions exist but they may be freaks of nature. It is all the more true for Aishwarya Rai with odds of 550 million to one and India will produce another Aishwarya when the Indian pop becomes 2 billion.
3. Pakistani soldiers, the symbol of martial ``tall fair and handsome`` Pakistani race, are all the more respected in Pakistan after having ``successfully`` faced Indian ``onslaught`` for 8 months and having won Kargil war.
1. Indian men are uglier than their Pakistani counterparts. Of course exceptions exist but they may be freaks of nature.
2. Indian girls are uglier than Pakistani ones. Of course exceptions exist but they may be freaks of nature. It is all the more true for Aishwarya Rai with odds of 550 million to one and India will produce another Aishwarya when the Indian pop becomes 2 billion.
3. Pakistani soldiers, the symbol of martial ``tall fair and handsome`` Pakistani race, are all the more respected in Pakistan after having ``successfully`` faced Indian ``onslaught`` for 8 months and having won Kargil war.
#65 Posted by semipreciousme on November 9, 2002 7:19:41 am
shankarsaab:
``Indian men are, in general, uglier than Pakistani men.``
…here i must throw partisanship aside and disagree…no arjun rampals, john abrahams or dino moreas here i’m afraid…
#63 Posted by rsaxena on November 8, 2002 9:19:36 am
...lookie here...look what some ugly indians did...beat out toyota motor company to win...don`t worry romair, you and urstruly can lead a contingent of paki men to the mr. universe pagent and win something there to keep up... haha...:)
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{Infosys bags Economist award for corporate leadership in Asia-Pacific
Fakir Chand in Bangalore
Infosys Technologies Ltd, the Bangalore-based global IT company, has won the Economist global corporate achievement award 2002 in the Asia-Pacific region.
The innovative award by the Economist intelligence unit recognises companies that have delivered outstanding performance in volatile economic conditions.
The Rs 2,600-crore (Rs 26-billion) Infosys won top honours in a competitive group of 10 finalists, for its excellent record of sustained profitability, innovation and corporate leadership.
Infosys was judged the winner based on the awards` criteria of performance, strategy, leadership, talent, innovation, impact and image, according to a company statement, issued in Bangalore on Friday.
An expert panel comprising of leading business thinkers and corporate leaders, including CEOs of Hindustan Lever, Schlumberger, and Tesco and former CEOs of Nestlé and SAS selected the winners.
Toyota, the Japanese global car manufacturer, won the second award.
Infosys` chairman and chief mentor N R Narayana Murthy, who received the award in Hong Kong on Tuesday, said the Economist award was a great honour for the company. }
#62 Posted by tahmed32 on November 8, 2002 8:40:08 am
In support of Romair`s point that pakistani men are more handsome than Indian men, I present the following evidence:
``Teray mukhhray tay kaala kaala til way
Oy moondia sialkotia!
Moondia sialko-o-o-o-tia!!``
Thank you. And Sialkot is in pakistan, not india.
As further proof (if indeed it is required) I present the following specimen of handsome pakistani men:
....drum roll....
Zia the Apeman!!
Nawaz Sharif the Potato Head!!!
....bugels replace the drum roll...
Musharaff the Schoolmaster!!
``Teray mukhhray tay kaala kaala til way
Oy moondia sialkotia!
Moondia sialko-o-o-o-tia!!``
Thank you. And Sialkot is in pakistan, not india.
As further proof (if indeed it is required) I present the following specimen of handsome pakistani men:
....drum roll....
Zia the Apeman!!
Nawaz Sharif the Potato Head!!!
....bugels replace the drum roll...
Musharaff the Schoolmaster!!
#61 Posted by shankar on November 8, 2002 4:40:52 am
Hey Handsome!!
#58,
Thats DOCTOR Shankar Shiviramakrishnamaddhupattibhetanbotla...if you dont mind....:)
{{I always wondered where you received your military training. And where you developed your strategic analysis on Indo-Pak warfare. Now I know.}}
See...THATS the problem with soldier boys......trained to THINK one-dimensionally. Thats why Paki Generals lose wars with India, again & again & again...and please remind everyone in your fair homeland that if Generals SUCK...the WHOLE country loses!
A ``war`` is fought with a GOAL in mind..if the goal is attained, the war is WON; if its not, the war is LOST. You soldier boys havent realised that wars are fought NOT just on the battlefield..they are fought on the diplomatic, technological, economic & PSYCHOLOGICAL arena. Thats even MORE relevant when both sides have nuclear weapons..
Boasting about ``kill-kill`` ratios, battlefield tactics is, ultimately, STUPID! Those statistics can be fudged..I mean when Pakistan refuses to even accept the dead bodies of Pak soldiers killed in Kargil; its a sign of ULTIMATE denial of the truth!! The naieve Pakistani public believes EVERYTHING your soldier boy Generals say ! Cant say I blame them...cos admitting that the country LOST a war ESP to cowardly, horribly ugly hindoos is too bitter a pill to swallow.
Let me give you 2 CLASSIC examples:
1)KARGIL: The goal was to cut off Indian troops in Siachen. Did that happen?...NOPE!
Pakistan concentrated on battlefield tactics. By stealth they infiltrated their troops (which they claimed were Kashmiri mujahadeen) to advantageous high ground. By the time Indians realised this (alerted by a ``traitorous`` Kashmiri shephard..RAW gaya tel galli mein..), Pakis were able to kill a lot of Indian soldier boys.
Just in case you didnt realise..the tide was turning in the battlefield..Also, the wily bania coyotes in Delhi launched a diplomatic war. The ENTIRE world scolded Pakistan! Including your ``all-weather`` friend China! NS was summoned to the White House & got his butt chewed off by Clinton! Then came the HUMILIATING withdrawal...NS & Mushy started blaming each other...bam..coup!!
And the naieve Pakistani public thinks Pakistan WON the Kargil war!! Heheh...
2) The ``hool`` war: Now even you are dumb enough to admit I was right...I TOLD you the military build up was ``hool``! One of the goals was to force Pakistan to admit they are behind the terrorist attacks in IOK. What you dont realise was that the ``hool`` was for big daddy America! Y`see when America`s interests are at stake...F*ck ``friendship``!!
America was worried that an Indo-Pak war would RUIN their interests in cathching Al-Qeeda..so they twisted Mushy`s arm! Very diffuclt for Mushy to give America a nice blow job, while America is twisting his arm! So he goes on national TV & announces a STRATEGIC U-TURN!!! Ergo..our strategy failed..back to the drawing board; guys...Big John America isnt ``buying`` the notion of ``freedom fight`` in Kashmir...they are agreeing with India & calling them...GASP! TERRORISTS!!! What a waste of a blowjob!
HAHAHAH!! Even Field Marshall Romair got PISSED at America`s ``ingratitude`` & advocated stronger relations with China! Conveniently forgetting China`s role in this hangama..listen buddy, the fact that China isnt twisting India`s arm is a HUGE diplomatic victory for India! The fact that NONE of the Islamic countries are twisting India`s arm is a HUGE diplomatic victory for India! The fact that India could get away relatively UNSCATHED even after a pogrom in Gujrat is a HUGE diplomatic victory for India!
So did India achieved her ``goals`` with the ``hool`` war??...lets see..
a)Mushy announced a ``strategic U-turn`` & pissed of those same fundos he was supporting..now he has to worry about THEM killing him more than RAW!
b)cross border infiltration reduced significantly enough for India to hold elections in IOK. The ``separatists`` threats of killing any Kashmiri who participates in an election & actually killing some muslim candidates dont endear your cousins in IOK to them. The international community has ACCEPTED the elections in IOK as legitimate...who the F*ck cares if Mushy thinks they are a fraud? A man who has made a mockery of elections in his OWN country has ZILCH credibility to comment on elections in IOK. Only stupid (but handsome) Pakistanis buy his crap!!!..:)))
c)Now that the dust has settled down, India is withdrawing her forces..except in Kashmir..cant COMPLETELY abandon ``hool``
{{After facing off India successfully for the past eight months, they are even more respected..}}
``successfully``??!!! hahahah!! what a bunch of HANDSOME morons! Its STUPID for India to launch a war when Pakistan has nuclear weapons! Jeeze, dont you guys EVER ``get it?!``
Those Indian soldiers who twiddled their thumbs on the frontline achieved a heck of a lot more than you care to admit!
The goal of the GoI:
--hold an election in Kashmir successfully & marginalise & cause rifts between the ``freedom fighters`` & the Kashmiris who are SICK & TIRED of the ongoing violence was ACHIEVED..ya dufus!:)
Hey!!...you guys are HANDSOME...you guys are strutting 12-point bucks in the rutting season...NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!
but you guys STRONGLY lack in the brains dept! The bania coyotes cut you down to size, frustrate you again & again & again...but you bucks are too stupid to even realise it!
I`ll tell you the CLASSIC Pakistani ``spin doctoring``...which you are, undoubtedly an expert at...with this metaphor:
An Indian & Pakistani play a chess match. The HANDSOME , marital Pakistani jumps up & down with joy because ``I killed the Indian`s queen! I killed the Indian`s queen!!``. The ugly, nerdy Indian politely taps him on the shoulder & says...``er..excuse me..handsome..I just check-mated you``
The Pakistani says ``Aw, so what!! I killed your queen, I killed your queen!!!...I AM the Ayatollah of chess!!``
Sometimes I think Allah puts a large amount of a Pakistani`s brains in his prepuce!!
Ergo, please give your women a chance to play chess with us; hahn!?...you bucks SUCK at it...you DONT look at the whole chess board ...& are too stupid to admit it!!:))
BTW, believe it or not, I actually got a 4-pointer yesterday!! Want some venison?..We killed it & bled it completely..so I guess the meat is halal...
BESIDES....MID-MICHIGAN is safe now!!....:)
#58,
Thats DOCTOR Shankar Shiviramakrishnamaddhupattibhetanbotla...if you dont mind....:)
{{I always wondered where you received your military training. And where you developed your strategic analysis on Indo-Pak warfare. Now I know.}}
See...THATS the problem with soldier boys......trained to THINK one-dimensionally. Thats why Paki Generals lose wars with India, again & again & again...and please remind everyone in your fair homeland that if Generals SUCK...the WHOLE country loses!
A ``war`` is fought with a GOAL in mind..if the goal is attained, the war is WON; if its not, the war is LOST. You soldier boys havent realised that wars are fought NOT just on the battlefield..they are fought on the diplomatic, technological, economic & PSYCHOLOGICAL arena. Thats even MORE relevant when both sides have nuclear weapons..
Boasting about ``kill-kill`` ratios, battlefield tactics is, ultimately, STUPID! Those statistics can be fudged..I mean when Pakistan refuses to even accept the dead bodies of Pak soldiers killed in Kargil; its a sign of ULTIMATE denial of the truth!! The naieve Pakistani public believes EVERYTHING your soldier boy Generals say ! Cant say I blame them...cos admitting that the country LOST a war ESP to cowardly, horribly ugly hindoos is too bitter a pill to swallow.
Let me give you 2 CLASSIC examples:
1)KARGIL: The goal was to cut off Indian troops in Siachen. Did that happen?...NOPE!
Pakistan concentrated on battlefield tactics. By stealth they infiltrated their troops (which they claimed were Kashmiri mujahadeen) to advantageous high ground. By the time Indians realised this (alerted by a ``traitorous`` Kashmiri shephard..RAW gaya tel galli mein..), Pakis were able to kill a lot of Indian soldier boys.
Just in case you didnt realise..the tide was turning in the battlefield..Also, the wily bania coyotes in Delhi launched a diplomatic war. The ENTIRE world scolded Pakistan! Including your ``all-weather`` friend China! NS was summoned to the White House & got his butt chewed off by Clinton! Then came the HUMILIATING withdrawal...NS & Mushy started blaming each other...bam..coup!!
And the naieve Pakistani public thinks Pakistan WON the Kargil war!! Heheh...
2) The ``hool`` war: Now even you are dumb enough to admit I was right...I TOLD you the military build up was ``hool``! One of the goals was to force Pakistan to admit they are behind the terrorist attacks in IOK. What you dont realise was that the ``hool`` was for big daddy America! Y`see when America`s interests are at stake...F*ck ``friendship``!!
America was worried that an Indo-Pak war would RUIN their interests in cathching Al-Qeeda..so they twisted Mushy`s arm! Very diffuclt for Mushy to give America a nice blow job, while America is twisting his arm! So he goes on national TV & announces a STRATEGIC U-TURN!!! Ergo..our strategy failed..back to the drawing board; guys...Big John America isnt ``buying`` the notion of ``freedom fight`` in Kashmir...they are agreeing with India & calling them...GASP! TERRORISTS!!! What a waste of a blowjob!
HAHAHAH!! Even Field Marshall Romair got PISSED at America`s ``ingratitude`` & advocated stronger relations with China! Conveniently forgetting China`s role in this hangama..listen buddy, the fact that China isnt twisting India`s arm is a HUGE diplomatic victory for India! The fact that NONE of the Islamic countries are twisting India`s arm is a HUGE diplomatic victory for India! The fact that India could get away relatively UNSCATHED even after a pogrom in Gujrat is a HUGE diplomatic victory for India!
So did India achieved her ``goals`` with the ``hool`` war??...lets see..
a)Mushy announced a ``strategic U-turn`` & pissed of those same fundos he was supporting..now he has to worry about THEM killing him more than RAW!
b)cross border infiltration reduced significantly enough for India to hold elections in IOK. The ``separatists`` threats of killing any Kashmiri who participates in an election & actually killing some muslim candidates dont endear your cousins in IOK to them. The international community has ACCEPTED the elections in IOK as legitimate...who the F*ck cares if Mushy thinks they are a fraud? A man who has made a mockery of elections in his OWN country has ZILCH credibility to comment on elections in IOK. Only stupid (but handsome) Pakistanis buy his crap!!!..:)))
c)Now that the dust has settled down, India is withdrawing her forces..except in Kashmir..cant COMPLETELY abandon ``hool``
{{After facing off India successfully for the past eight months, they are even more respected..}}
``successfully``??!!! hahahah!! what a bunch of HANDSOME morons! Its STUPID for India to launch a war when Pakistan has nuclear weapons! Jeeze, dont you guys EVER ``get it?!``
Those Indian soldiers who twiddled their thumbs on the frontline achieved a heck of a lot more than you care to admit!
The goal of the GoI:
--hold an election in Kashmir successfully & marginalise & cause rifts between the ``freedom fighters`` & the Kashmiris who are SICK & TIRED of the ongoing violence was ACHIEVED..ya dufus!:)
Hey!!...you guys are HANDSOME...you guys are strutting 12-point bucks in the rutting season...NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!
but you guys STRONGLY lack in the brains dept! The bania coyotes cut you down to size, frustrate you again & again & again...but you bucks are too stupid to even realise it!
I`ll tell you the CLASSIC Pakistani ``spin doctoring``...which you are, undoubtedly an expert at...with this metaphor:
An Indian & Pakistani play a chess match. The HANDSOME , marital Pakistani jumps up & down with joy because ``I killed the Indian`s queen! I killed the Indian`s queen!!``. The ugly, nerdy Indian politely taps him on the shoulder & says...``er..excuse me..handsome..I just check-mated you``
The Pakistani says ``Aw, so what!! I killed your queen, I killed your queen!!!...I AM the Ayatollah of chess!!``
Sometimes I think Allah puts a large amount of a Pakistani`s brains in his prepuce!!
Ergo, please give your women a chance to play chess with us; hahn!?...you bucks SUCK at it...you DONT look at the whole chess board ...& are too stupid to admit it!!:))
BTW, believe it or not, I actually got a 4-pointer yesterday!! Want some venison?..We killed it & bled it completely..so I guess the meat is halal...
BESIDES....MID-MICHIGAN is safe now!!....:)
#60 Posted by Romair on November 7, 2002 7:33:17 pm
dullabhatti #59: I think you are taking this too seriously. I think most of the people, including me, are testing their sense of humor
#59 Posted by dullabhatti on November 7, 2002 5:40:07 pm
Romair bao: awein gussa na kar laina meri gall da....you do have some truth in your assertions but harping it day in and day out and trying to make some kind of religion or identity out of it is simply bullshit.
main kohjji mera murshid sohna, sohneyaN de sang layeaaN.
sadkay jaawan ehna sohneya koloN, jehna laa ke torh nibhayeaN.
main kohjji mera murshid sohna, sohneyaN de sang layeaaN.
sadkay jaawan ehna sohneya koloN, jehna laa ke torh nibhayeaN.
#58 Posted by Romair on November 7, 2002 11:39:50 am
shankar #52: ``Indian men are, in general, uglier than Pakistani men.``
It is good to see that in this world filled with deceit, dishonesty, double-speak, fakeness, there are still a few honest men around, who don`t mind admitting the truth.
``osentsibly to shoot down Bambi`s father with a bow & arrow.``
I always wondered where you received your military training. And where you developed your strategic analysis on Indo-Pak warfare. Now I know.
I don`t think Bambi`s father has too much to worry about. The odds are pretty good, he will still be alive, by the time your hunt is over.
``Have you seen a SINGLE Indian who curses the Indian army the same way many Pakistanis do their army?! ``
This is true. But, even in Pakistan, the people in the Army who actually do the fighting (everyone from the rank of jawan to major/colonel) are extremely well respected. You can look at any newspaper, any critic, any common person`v views, any survey, and they will be at the top of the list of respected Pakistanis. After facing off India successfully for the past eight months, they are even more respected. Everyone from corrupt Benazir to the honest cobbler has a great deal of respect for them and says so publicly. I have first hand experience.
When it comes to Generals, the story is different. Indian Generals are more respected by Indians than Pakistani Generals by Pakistanis, for reasons you have mentioned. However, Chowk is the only place where I have seen a few people put the Pakistani Generals and jawans into the same group of criticism. But 99% of Pakistanis (the people who live in Pakistan and actually know the difference) do not put them in the same category.
``its the NERDS who rule the world, pal...``
I couldn`t agree with this more. You need to keep in mind you are talking to a nerd. I do this stuff for a living. Unfortunately, everyone wants to keep discussing my previous profession with me, rather than my current one. Considering you are an expert on military strategy, would you also happen to be an expert on Software systems? I am sure you have used Windows, which is enough to make you an expert.
And just for good effect, to let everyone know that there are honest people amongst us, who don`t mind highlighting their shortcomings, I would like to requote:
``Indian men are, in general, uglier than Pakistani men.`` (Famous last words spoken by Mr. Shankar Shiviramakrishnamaddhupattibhetanbotla, as he was attacked and killed by Bambi during his famous jungle expedition):
P.S Didn`t Nehru say this before you did? Or was it Valladbhai Patel?
It is good to see that in this world filled with deceit, dishonesty, double-speak, fakeness, there are still a few honest men around, who don`t mind admitting the truth.
``osentsibly to shoot down Bambi`s father with a bow & arrow.``
I always wondered where you received your military training. And where you developed your strategic analysis on Indo-Pak warfare. Now I know.
I don`t think Bambi`s father has too much to worry about. The odds are pretty good, he will still be alive, by the time your hunt is over.
``Have you seen a SINGLE Indian who curses the Indian army the same way many Pakistanis do their army?! ``
This is true. But, even in Pakistan, the people in the Army who actually do the fighting (everyone from the rank of jawan to major/colonel) are extremely well respected. You can look at any newspaper, any critic, any common person`v views, any survey, and they will be at the top of the list of respected Pakistanis. After facing off India successfully for the past eight months, they are even more respected. Everyone from corrupt Benazir to the honest cobbler has a great deal of respect for them and says so publicly. I have first hand experience.
When it comes to Generals, the story is different. Indian Generals are more respected by Indians than Pakistani Generals by Pakistanis, for reasons you have mentioned. However, Chowk is the only place where I have seen a few people put the Pakistani Generals and jawans into the same group of criticism. But 99% of Pakistanis (the people who live in Pakistan and actually know the difference) do not put them in the same category.
``its the NERDS who rule the world, pal...``
I couldn`t agree with this more. You need to keep in mind you are talking to a nerd. I do this stuff for a living. Unfortunately, everyone wants to keep discussing my previous profession with me, rather than my current one. Considering you are an expert on military strategy, would you also happen to be an expert on Software systems? I am sure you have used Windows, which is enough to make you an expert.
And just for good effect, to let everyone know that there are honest people amongst us, who don`t mind highlighting their shortcomings, I would like to requote:
``Indian men are, in general, uglier than Pakistani men.`` (Famous last words spoken by Mr. Shankar Shiviramakrishnamaddhupattibhetanbotla, as he was attacked and killed by Bambi during his famous jungle expedition):
P.S Didn`t Nehru say this before you did? Or was it Valladbhai Patel?
#57 Posted by stuka on November 7, 2002 9:49:07 am
I don`t know much about good looks, but so far the Pakistanis (Naqshabandi and Romair) seem to be kicking some Indian butt as fas as pissing each other off is concerned.
:)
:)
#56 Posted by rsaxena on November 7, 2002 9:31:05 am
re: shrinker
{Let me shake you off your slumber , its the NERDS who rule the world, pal...except in Pakistan & majority of muslim countries..you guys STILL dont get it!!}
...and you`re neither nerdy nor good looking...how do you survive?...pity?...
{Let me shake you off your slumber , its the NERDS who rule the world, pal...except in Pakistan & majority of muslim countries..you guys STILL dont get it!!}
...and you`re neither nerdy nor good looking...how do you survive?...pity?...
#55 Posted by khamkhwa. on November 7, 2002 9:31:05 am
romair#48
Romair saheb,
what was your rank in the army.Thank you.
Dullabhatti#49
LOL
Romair saheb,
what was your rank in the army.Thank you.
Dullabhatti#49
LOL
#54 Posted by kabuliwallah on November 7, 2002 5:16:37 am
Just throwing a little ghee in
Aish is Tulu
Kapoors are Punjabis, from Peshore
Aish is Tulu
Kapoors are Punjabis, from Peshore
#53 Posted by shankar on November 7, 2002 5:16:36 am
Romair,
#48
Yar, I wanted to comment on your entire message, phrase by phrase, but I gotta go to the woods with a couple of rednecks , put on a lot of camouflage paint in this beautiful Michigan nippy freezing weather & enjoy the peace & quiet of nature (there is no greater beauty on earth than Michigan woods in Fall)---osentsibly to shoot down Bambi`s father with a bow & arrow. You know, its essential for some of us male ``volunteers`` to save our ``civilian`` populations from hoards of marauding whitetail deer.
Alas, all we have proved to ourselves is that playing ``soldier-boy`` in the Michigan woods is--- we have BAD aim,we can drink lots of chilled beer (when the DNR isnt around) ,we can burp & fart & roll in the mud with the best of them &, BEST OF ALL, there are no pesky wives to nag us from doing that. Pretending to play soldier boy is a tremendous amount of fun. Being a REAL soldier boy is just for total buttheads like you.
Ofcourse, you smartened up & left the army & decided to be one of those civilian pussies like us...after all, only REAL men are tough enough to stick it out in the army...
ESP in the glorious, invincible army that feels it has a divine mandate to kick the butt of the Pakistani civilian pussies whenever they feel that the country needs to be ``saved``; an army that has commited a genocide of her own civilians & pretends that it has admitted its crimes & came to terms with it; an army that has NEVER won a war in its glorious history; an army that has changed its tactics & are training fanatical brain dead civilians to die for them cos they have realised they cant defeat the cowardly Indians in head to head combat..& not doing too well in that dept because their 15 yrs of ``the war of a 1000 cuts`` has accomplished didley-squat....
Yo! youre not the only one here who can present ``facts``:))...
These ,buddy, are the REAL men of Pakistan! They are the ones who ultimately call the shots, who ultimately decide what direction Pakistan should take...
If you go to a guy & put a gun to his head & ask him ``tell me, my friend, am I doing a good job?`` What the f*ck do you think he`s going to tell you?....``y-y-yes sir, General sir, you are doing a FANTASTIC job!!!`` If somebody has the GUTS to tell the good General..``listen, pal, you SUCK..`` Mushy will laugh magnanimously & say ``see, I like people with guts, who tell me the truth...I want you to be my eyes & ears``..Yeah..thats all well & good, but in the end, he`ll do EXACTLY what he wants!...I mean; he has a ``divine`` mandate!
Who the HELL are you trying to kid?! yourselves? the newly elected Parliament is gonna be a lot of noise, political grandstanding & no action. NONE of your MALE civilian pussies (however handsome they may be) have the GUTS or the BALLS to take on the army (because they are handsomER)...& they`ll cut your nuts if you DARE to dispute that!. So, enough said about Pakistani MEN!
Indian men are, in general, uglier than Pakistani men. But in the brains dept; they can run circles around you testesterone laden wolves. Those men have let a women run the country with AUTHORITY (not run a country through his wife`s proxy, like Zardari), trained their army to take orders, stay in the barracks, give hool & at times, do what theyve been TRAINED to do...fight a war, but KNOW THEIR PLACE in Indian society. Have you seen a SINGLE Indian who curses the Indian army the same way many Pakistanis do their army?! The Indian army has EARNED the respect of her people---not DEMANDED it at the point of a gun!
Let me shake you off your slumber , its the NERDS who rule the world, pal...except in Pakistan & majority of muslim countries..you guys STILL dont get it!! You think these REAL men can steer the ship of your country?! Tell me one military dictatorship, no matter how ``benevolent`` has made their country great?! Its these REAL MEN in Pakistan who have F*cked up your country. Ofcourse you will find very creative spin doctoring to wriggle out from these facts. But the more you spin, the more people laugh at it...
You show the TYPICAL mentality of a soldier boy...you are so secure in spinning facts that I think you are actually believing your own bs:)!!
#48
Yar, I wanted to comment on your entire message, phrase by phrase, but I gotta go to the woods with a couple of rednecks , put on a lot of camouflage paint in this beautiful Michigan nippy freezing weather & enjoy the peace & quiet of nature (there is no greater beauty on earth than Michigan woods in Fall)---osentsibly to shoot down Bambi`s father with a bow & arrow. You know, its essential for some of us male ``volunteers`` to save our ``civilian`` populations from hoards of marauding whitetail deer.
Alas, all we have proved to ourselves is that playing ``soldier-boy`` in the Michigan woods is--- we have BAD aim,we can drink lots of chilled beer (when the DNR isnt around) ,we can burp & fart & roll in the mud with the best of them &, BEST OF ALL, there are no pesky wives to nag us from doing that. Pretending to play soldier boy is a tremendous amount of fun. Being a REAL soldier boy is just for total buttheads like you.
Ofcourse, you smartened up & left the army & decided to be one of those civilian pussies like us...after all, only REAL men are tough enough to stick it out in the army...
ESP in the glorious, invincible army that feels it has a divine mandate to kick the butt of the Pakistani civilian pussies whenever they feel that the country needs to be ``saved``; an army that has commited a genocide of her own civilians & pretends that it has admitted its crimes & came to terms with it; an army that has NEVER won a war in its glorious history; an army that has changed its tactics & are training fanatical brain dead civilians to die for them cos they have realised they cant defeat the cowardly Indians in head to head combat..& not doing too well in that dept because their 15 yrs of ``the war of a 1000 cuts`` has accomplished didley-squat....
Yo! youre not the only one here who can present ``facts``:))...
These ,buddy, are the REAL men of Pakistan! They are the ones who ultimately call the shots, who ultimately decide what direction Pakistan should take...
If you go to a guy & put a gun to his head & ask him ``tell me, my friend, am I doing a good job?`` What the f*ck do you think he`s going to tell you?....``y-y-yes sir, General sir, you are doing a FANTASTIC job!!!`` If somebody has the GUTS to tell the good General..``listen, pal, you SUCK..`` Mushy will laugh magnanimously & say ``see, I like people with guts, who tell me the truth...I want you to be my eyes & ears``..Yeah..thats all well & good, but in the end, he`ll do EXACTLY what he wants!...I mean; he has a ``divine`` mandate!
Who the HELL are you trying to kid?! yourselves? the newly elected Parliament is gonna be a lot of noise, political grandstanding & no action. NONE of your MALE civilian pussies (however handsome they may be) have the GUTS or the BALLS to take on the army (because they are handsomER)...& they`ll cut your nuts if you DARE to dispute that!. So, enough said about Pakistani MEN!
Indian men are, in general, uglier than Pakistani men. But in the brains dept; they can run circles around you testesterone laden wolves. Those men have let a women run the country with AUTHORITY (not run a country through his wife`s proxy, like Zardari), trained their army to take orders, stay in the barracks, give hool & at times, do what theyve been TRAINED to do...fight a war, but KNOW THEIR PLACE in Indian society. Have you seen a SINGLE Indian who curses the Indian army the same way many Pakistanis do their army?! The Indian army has EARNED the respect of her people---not DEMANDED it at the point of a gun!
Let me shake you off your slumber , its the NERDS who rule the world, pal...except in Pakistan & majority of muslim countries..you guys STILL dont get it!! You think these REAL men can steer the ship of your country?! Tell me one military dictatorship, no matter how ``benevolent`` has made their country great?! Its these REAL MEN in Pakistan who have F*cked up your country. Ofcourse you will find very creative spin doctoring to wriggle out from these facts. But the more you spin, the more people laugh at it...
You show the TYPICAL mentality of a soldier boy...you are so secure in spinning facts that I think you are actually believing your own bs:)!!
#52 Posted by Naqshbandi on November 7, 2002 5:16:36 am
Can I just add as a caveat emptor to my initial comm
as a caveat emptor can I just add regarding my initial comments on indian beauty vs pakistani beauty that
(1) my comments on Indian girls beauty being less in general than pakistani girls` does NOT apply to North Indian girls, and Indian Punjabi girls (esp Sikhs) in particular, who are as good looking as Pakistani girls imho.
(2) beauty is purely a subjective thing -although there does tend to be certain traits which are considered beautiful in every culture. (Lightness of skin interestingly being one of them).
(3) this post was partly in jest too and not meant to be offensive to anyone (except rsaxena who i love annoying just for the heck of it!!)
***
romair bhaiyya--i have been writing poetry for the past 10 years or so--it is not a new thing! just my interactions on chowk generally do not allow me to show my other side if you will...:-) I am actually probably a lot more anglicised in my views and behaviour than a lot of the `secular` minded pakistanis on chowk; and when it comes to indians--some of my best friends are indians [both muslims and hindus]. The problem i think for others on chowk lies with the fact that i take my primary identity from Islam and not from any nationality (though i am a proud pakistani too) and my views on Islam are what is traditionally called ``orthodox`` and Traditionalist and I am not apologetic about them.
If any of you were to meet me in real life the last thing you would think would be that I was in any way like the Taliban! As I have said umpteenth times I have always been against the Taliban interpretation of Islam both from a theological perspective (I have serious differences with some of their Deobandi aqaid) and also from their implementation of it.
And although I am happy the MMA have done so well that is primarily due to the presence of the JUP in the coalition and especially Shah Noorani sahib; if he were to leave it I would no longer support the MMA as then it would be a coalition of Deobandis and Wahabis only. But with his presence I think he can be a strong moderating influence and present a more accurate implementation of Islam. I think that on the whole Islam is --as I understand it and believe--in terms of practise a fairly liberal religion and it is not anything like a totalitarian system unlike the Taliban.
as a caveat emptor can I just add regarding my initial comments on indian beauty vs pakistani beauty that
(1) my comments on Indian girls beauty being less in general than pakistani girls` does NOT apply to North Indian girls, and Indian Punjabi girls (esp Sikhs) in particular, who are as good looking as Pakistani girls imho.
(2) beauty is purely a subjective thing -although there does tend to be certain traits which are considered beautiful in every culture. (Lightness of skin interestingly being one of them).
(3) this post was partly in jest too and not meant to be offensive to anyone (except rsaxena who i love annoying just for the heck of it!!)
***
romair bhaiyya--i have been writing poetry for the past 10 years or so--it is not a new thing! just my interactions on chowk generally do not allow me to show my other side if you will...:-) I am actually probably a lot more anglicised in my views and behaviour than a lot of the `secular` minded pakistanis on chowk; and when it comes to indians--some of my best friends are indians [both muslims and hindus]. The problem i think for others on chowk lies with the fact that i take my primary identity from Islam and not from any nationality (though i am a proud pakistani too) and my views on Islam are what is traditionally called ``orthodox`` and Traditionalist and I am not apologetic about them.
If any of you were to meet me in real life the last thing you would think would be that I was in any way like the Taliban! As I have said umpteenth times I have always been against the Taliban interpretation of Islam both from a theological perspective (I have serious differences with some of their Deobandi aqaid) and also from their implementation of it.
And although I am happy the MMA have done so well that is primarily due to the presence of the JUP in the coalition and especially Shah Noorani sahib; if he were to leave it I would no longer support the MMA as then it would be a coalition of Deobandis and Wahabis only. But with his presence I think he can be a strong moderating influence and present a more accurate implementation of Islam. I think that on the whole Islam is --as I understand it and believe--in terms of practise a fairly liberal religion and it is not anything like a totalitarian system unlike the Taliban.
#51 Posted by jay on November 6, 2002 11:39:49 pm
PAK BEAUTIES,
There are pictures of hundreds of pakistani women in the matrimonial section of indian express, trying to escape from honour killings and the hell hole of a country.
It is time that eligible indians threw a life line to them. At least from a beauty point of view, many deserve it.
There are pictures of hundreds of pakistani women in the matrimonial section of indian express, trying to escape from honour killings and the hell hole of a country.
It is time that eligible indians threw a life line to them. At least from a beauty point of view, many deserve it.
#50 Posted by rsaxena on November 6, 2002 10:46:09 pm
re: romair
{So, I will give you the benefit of the doubt on being more educated, more cultured, more intelligent, more balanced etc. }
...at least you know your intellectual limitations...good for you...now go do the work your indian boss assigned you and stop vomitting all over chowk...
{So, I will give you the benefit of the doubt on being more educated, more cultured, more intelligent, more balanced etc. }
...at least you know your intellectual limitations...good for you...now go do the work your indian boss assigned you and stop vomitting all over chowk...
#49 Posted by dullabhatti on November 6, 2002 10:10:59 pm
Sohnay Manmohnay saaday koolay koolay Field Marshal sahib:
>>>- As for Ashwariya Rai, I think she is too good looking to be a pure Indian. She must have some Pakistani blood in her<<<
Are you sure there could not any other combination or mixing of blood? You seem very sure that this miracle could happene only thru Pakistani blood. What if her mother slept with a Romanian, Italian, Chechan or any of your other favourites like Uzbaig, Tajik, jordanianI guess they don`t have any chance in front of pure Sialkoti khoobsoorti.:)(I am not including Pathan here...pathan will prefer to sleep with a beautiful Pakistani boy rather than with a kaali kacholi Keralan)?
It might sound gayish but after reading your apnay munh main bahuta ee sohna...I some time wonder how it would feel to touch your cheek for once. shaiyad iss bahaane naal main munh mathay laggan joga ho jaawaN:).
>>>- As for Ashwariya Rai, I think she is too good looking to be a pure Indian. She must have some Pakistani blood in her<<<
Are you sure there could not any other combination or mixing of blood? You seem very sure that this miracle could happene only thru Pakistani blood. What if her mother slept with a Romanian, Italian, Chechan or any of your other favourites like Uzbaig, Tajik, jordanianI guess they don`t have any chance in front of pure Sialkoti khoobsoorti.:)(I am not including Pathan here...pathan will prefer to sleep with a beautiful Pakistani boy rather than with a kaali kacholi Keralan)?
It might sound gayish but after reading your apnay munh main bahuta ee sohna...I some time wonder how it would feel to touch your cheek for once. shaiyad iss bahaane naal main munh mathay laggan joga ho jaawaN:).
#48 Posted by Romair on November 6, 2002 8:38:28 pm
Shankar #43: Interesting points.
- It`s going to take a lot more than this to get me into an Indo-Pak mudslinging match. People only resort to mudslinging when they run out of facts. I was just presenting facts.
- As for Ashwariya Rai, I think she is too good looking to be a pure Indian. She must have some Pakistani blood in her. Or she could be a freak of nature. Considering there are 550 million women in India, it is quite possible that in such a high number, some combination of Indian cells, genes, dna etc. combined against massive odds and lead to one individual breaking the mold. So the odds were 550 million to 1. And it happened. The next Ashwariya Rai will come along when the population of Indian females doubles to 1.1 billion (I would add Lisa Ray to this list here, but she was born in Canada).
- Is it a coincidence that all the Indian film actors are Muslim and/or from what is now Pakistan. Dilip from Peshawar. Kapoors are Pathans (I think). Dharmendra and his kids speak our national language (Punjabi). All the other ones have last names starting with K and ending in han. Dev Anand from Lahore (I think) - Dutts are from Jehlum (what to talk of our Muslims, even our Hindus are good looking). Feroze and Sanjay from Kashmir. Amitabh broke the mold for a little while, but I think even he is from the Urdu speaking part of India in Allahabad (its named after our God).
- As for Pakistani girls being lazy - I will have to give you that one. At least for the well-off Pakistani girls. They do sit and look pretty (prettier than Indians, which isn`t saying much). No match to Indian girls when it comes to ambition and efficiency and winning Olympic bronze medals in weightlifting. So Indian girls are way ahead of Pakistani girls. But since Pakistan and India are at about the same levels, it would mean that Pakistani guys are balancing out the average, in comparision to Indian guys.
- The maulvis are definitely coming in Pakistan. In most normal countries, in normal circumstances, this would be a bad thing. But in Pakistan, it could be a change for the better. After all, how could anyone be worse than the feudals led by BB.
- I think our maulvis, unlike your maulvis, are only maulvis on the face of it. They are already thawing their stances. Maulana Fazl could turn out to be a hearthrob if he shaves his beard, takes off his headgear, and loses a few pounds. After all, how good looking would Dharmedra (an famous actor in your country of birth, just in case you did not know) be had he not shaved his beard, not taken off his headgear, and added weight.
Even Asif Naqsh. has started writing poetry, and discussing dating rituals. That should be a sign that power is effecting the maulvis more than they are effecting the power.
- As for sports, there are only three sports that South Asians are reasonably good at: cricket, cricket and cricket. And the last time I checked, one of the two countries was scared of playing the other.
So, I will give you the benefit of the doubt on being more educated, more cultured, more intelligent, more balanced etc. But better looking! It isn`t a coincidence that Kmart went bankrupt within a few weeks after all the Indian H-1s returning to India from the USA.
- It`s going to take a lot more than this to get me into an Indo-Pak mudslinging match. People only resort to mudslinging when they run out of facts. I was just presenting facts.
- As for Ashwariya Rai, I think she is too good looking to be a pure Indian. She must have some Pakistani blood in her. Or she could be a freak of nature. Considering there are 550 million women in India, it is quite possible that in such a high number, some combination of Indian cells, genes, dna etc. combined against massive odds and lead to one individual breaking the mold. So the odds were 550 million to 1. And it happened. The next Ashwariya Rai will come along when the population of Indian females doubles to 1.1 billion (I would add Lisa Ray to this list here, but she was born in Canada).
- Is it a coincidence that all the Indian film actors are Muslim and/or from what is now Pakistan. Dilip from Peshawar. Kapoors are Pathans (I think). Dharmendra and his kids speak our national language (Punjabi). All the other ones have last names starting with K and ending in han. Dev Anand from Lahore (I think) - Dutts are from Jehlum (what to talk of our Muslims, even our Hindus are good looking). Feroze and Sanjay from Kashmir. Amitabh broke the mold for a little while, but I think even he is from the Urdu speaking part of India in Allahabad (its named after our God).
- As for Pakistani girls being lazy - I will have to give you that one. At least for the well-off Pakistani girls. They do sit and look pretty (prettier than Indians, which isn`t saying much). No match to Indian girls when it comes to ambition and efficiency and winning Olympic bronze medals in weightlifting. So Indian girls are way ahead of Pakistani girls. But since Pakistan and India are at about the same levels, it would mean that Pakistani guys are balancing out the average, in comparision to Indian guys.
- The maulvis are definitely coming in Pakistan. In most normal countries, in normal circumstances, this would be a bad thing. But in Pakistan, it could be a change for the better. After all, how could anyone be worse than the feudals led by BB.
- I think our maulvis, unlike your maulvis, are only maulvis on the face of it. They are already thawing their stances. Maulana Fazl could turn out to be a hearthrob if he shaves his beard, takes off his headgear, and loses a few pounds. After all, how good looking would Dharmedra (an famous actor in your country of birth, just in case you did not know) be had he not shaved his beard, not taken off his headgear, and added weight.
Even Asif Naqsh. has started writing poetry, and discussing dating rituals. That should be a sign that power is effecting the maulvis more than they are effecting the power.
- As for sports, there are only three sports that South Asians are reasonably good at: cricket, cricket and cricket. And the last time I checked, one of the two countries was scared of playing the other.
So, I will give you the benefit of the doubt on being more educated, more cultured, more intelligent, more balanced etc. But better looking! It isn`t a coincidence that Kmart went bankrupt within a few weeks after all the Indian H-1s returning to India from the USA.
#47 Posted by harimau on November 6, 2002 8:11:12 pm
Ref stuka #41
[``Ashwariya Rai and Hrithak Roshan not included. But I think they have a lot of Pakistani blood in them). ``
DUDE, QUIT FANTASIZING!!! Ash is a South Indian Brahmin. No way a Kannada girl will have Pakistani blood.]
Went to college with a couple of guys named Rai but they might have been straightforward Kannada types as opposed Konkans. Not sure that Rai is a Brahmin surname. Dickshit (aka Headshrinker) claims her to be of Konkani descent so he should be able to tell. Perhaps she is Coorgi?
[``Ashwariya Rai and Hrithak Roshan not included. But I think they have a lot of Pakistani blood in them). ``
DUDE, QUIT FANTASIZING!!! Ash is a South Indian Brahmin. No way a Kannada girl will have Pakistani blood.]
Went to college with a couple of guys named Rai but they might have been straightforward Kannada types as opposed Konkans. Not sure that Rai is a Brahmin surname. Dickshit (aka Headshrinker) claims her to be of Konkani descent so he should be able to tell. Perhaps she is Coorgi?
#46 Posted by rsaxena on November 6, 2002 4:22:23 pm
...so pakistanis are about as better looking than indians as indians are intellectually superior to pakistanis?... :)
#45 Posted by rsridhar on November 6, 2002 3:58:53 pm
re: Pakistani girls
I hope chowkies (especially Pakistani women) realise we are just having some fun here. I certainly have no intention of hurting anyone`s feelings here. As Shankar has said, Paksitani women in chowk are sharp and incisive.
PS: Shankar is at his best when he is critical but i know he too means well. Keep on, buddy.
Sridhar
I hope chowkies (especially Pakistani women) realise we are just having some fun here. I certainly have no intention of hurting anyone`s feelings here. As Shankar has said, Paksitani women in chowk are sharp and incisive.
PS: Shankar is at his best when he is critical but i know he too means well. Keep on, buddy.
Sridhar
#44 Posted by rsridhar on November 6, 2002 3:30:34 pm
re:#40 by Romair
Romair,
My dear friend, why are you angry with me. If it makes you feel better, let me say that Pakistani women and men are better looking than their Indian counterparts.
I can only speak from personal experience. Before coming to US, i had not met even one Pakistani. So, if someone said they are better looking, i would have said: that maybe true. I met Pakistanis for the first time in US and met them in large numbers. I often spent time with my Pakistani friend who inturn had many other (Pakistani) friends who were not doctors. There was one guy who was married to a Romanian girl. There were others. All were decent looking but none could be termed handsome. I can say most were better looking than Javed Miandad but not as good as Imran Khan, if you know what i mean.
But then i have seen such looks among Indians as well. From a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being ugliest, 10 being handsomest), i would rate the Pakistanis i have met at may be 5 or 6 and Indians at 4 or 5. Not one Paksitani can be compared to the tall, fair, blue eyed blond (girl or boy) that one sees regularly in US. So, what is this discussion all about. You are a shade better than me. OK, i grant it to you. Do you now feel happy?
Sridhar
Romair,
My dear friend, why are you angry with me. If it makes you feel better, let me say that Pakistani women and men are better looking than their Indian counterparts.
I can only speak from personal experience. Before coming to US, i had not met even one Pakistani. So, if someone said they are better looking, i would have said: that maybe true. I met Pakistanis for the first time in US and met them in large numbers. I often spent time with my Pakistani friend who inturn had many other (Pakistani) friends who were not doctors. There was one guy who was married to a Romanian girl. There were others. All were decent looking but none could be termed handsome. I can say most were better looking than Javed Miandad but not as good as Imran Khan, if you know what i mean.
But then i have seen such looks among Indians as well. From a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being ugliest, 10 being handsomest), i would rate the Pakistanis i have met at may be 5 or 6 and Indians at 4 or 5. Not one Paksitani can be compared to the tall, fair, blue eyed blond (girl or boy) that one sees regularly in US. So, what is this discussion all about. You are a shade better than me. OK, i grant it to you. Do you now feel happy?
Sridhar
#43 Posted by shankar on November 6, 2002 12:02:10 pm
Hey Romair!
Fancy seeing you come to this level of verbal masterbation. Welcome to an honest-to-goodness Indo-Pak mudslinging orgy. Youre getting better & better everyday....maybe somebody yanked the thumb out of your butt, huhn?!:)
First of all; keep yer cotton picking blood out of Aishwaria Rai..shes a Konkani...she comes from a community that speaks the same mother tongue as I , but uhmm our accent sounds better than theirs...O Yeah !!some gene pools in India are not too shabby...& I assure you there aint no katlu blood in our gene pool. But then we arent stuck up too..I mean we really dont mind if she chooses to screw an INDIAN muslim, like Salmaan Khan..not any frikking Paki type. That bloomin rumour of her & Imran Khan was just started by the ISI...those guys have nothing better to do..
Secondly, maybe in squash, hockey & cricket you shone a bit brighter than India...but in almost EVERYOTHER sport, we kick your pompous asses. Prime example is the Asian Games. India got 10 time more medals than you rutting bucks..OK. Wanna play tennis, football, chess, gilli danda, hututu?...we`ll kick your asses, buddy:)
Better yet; wanna have our WOMEN compete with each other in athletics?! Man the sardarnis of Khalsa College hockey team, Bombay can kick the asses of your women`s national team, if you have one. They are built bustier than any Pakistani chick, & wear shorts. I loved to watch their hockey games.. dribbling & jiggling towards the goal. But dont f*ck with them...hell hath no fury greater than a pissed off Surdi father!
So what do your women do anyways...sit & look pretty--only ambition in life to marry a boy from a ``good`` family, bear his children & take his s*it?! Once in a while if a woman is lucky & comes from a liberal family (that has a healthy dose of BaaBaa blackism) or a daughter of a feudal can break out of that cycle & be a real proffessional. Aha!! Wait a sec...I just remembered...YOU were the one who was moaning that wives of Pakistani code coolies (they are the ones sans the cocoa cola glasses)...dont take any initiative to join their husbands` careers.
See I dont have a problem with Pakistani women. Yes yes, they are beautiful AND smart. But they are never given a chance to further themselves with either their looks OR brains...thanks to guys like Nasbandhi.
Y`see...of all you ``cream of the crop Pakistani elite`` on Chowk dont want to go back to Pakistan..not yet anyway..guys like Nasbandhi, OTOH, have always maintained that they will definitely go back...now more than ever!. He may be a crazy mofo, but he`s not a hypocrite. All those madrassah graduates are coming into voting age to join him to make Pakistan, the ``purer`` than the old Land of the Pure.
The point I`m making is that Pakistan is going to be more & more conservative. That means women are going to be ``screwed``...ooops Nasbandhi et all will say that their HONOR will be rigorously protected by these bearded paragons of virtue. I mean, the women of Iran are soooo lucky.
O yeah...one last thing...my pop can beat your pop; anytime:)
Fancy seeing you come to this level of verbal masterbation. Welcome to an honest-to-goodness Indo-Pak mudslinging orgy. Youre getting better & better everyday....maybe somebody yanked the thumb out of your butt, huhn?!:)
First of all; keep yer cotton picking blood out of Aishwaria Rai..shes a Konkani...she comes from a community that speaks the same mother tongue as I , but uhmm our accent sounds better than theirs...O Yeah !!some gene pools in India are not too shabby...& I assure you there aint no katlu blood in our gene pool. But then we arent stuck up too..I mean we really dont mind if she chooses to screw an INDIAN muslim, like Salmaan Khan..not any frikking Paki type. That bloomin rumour of her & Imran Khan was just started by the ISI...those guys have nothing better to do..
Secondly, maybe in squash, hockey & cricket you shone a bit brighter than India...but in almost EVERYOTHER sport, we kick your pompous asses. Prime example is the Asian Games. India got 10 time more medals than you rutting bucks..OK. Wanna play tennis, football, chess, gilli danda, hututu?...we`ll kick your asses, buddy:)
Better yet; wanna have our WOMEN compete with each other in athletics?! Man the sardarnis of Khalsa College hockey team, Bombay can kick the asses of your women`s national team, if you have one. They are built bustier than any Pakistani chick, & wear shorts. I loved to watch their hockey games.. dribbling & jiggling towards the goal. But dont f*ck with them...hell hath no fury greater than a pissed off Surdi father!
So what do your women do anyways...sit & look pretty--only ambition in life to marry a boy from a ``good`` family, bear his children & take his s*it?! Once in a while if a woman is lucky & comes from a liberal family (that has a healthy dose of BaaBaa blackism) or a daughter of a feudal can break out of that cycle & be a real proffessional. Aha!! Wait a sec...I just remembered...YOU were the one who was moaning that wives of Pakistani code coolies (they are the ones sans the cocoa cola glasses)...dont take any initiative to join their husbands` careers.
See I dont have a problem with Pakistani women. Yes yes, they are beautiful AND smart. But they are never given a chance to further themselves with either their looks OR brains...thanks to guys like Nasbandhi.
Y`see...of all you ``cream of the crop Pakistani elite`` on Chowk dont want to go back to Pakistan..not yet anyway..guys like Nasbandhi, OTOH, have always maintained that they will definitely go back...now more than ever!. He may be a crazy mofo, but he`s not a hypocrite. All those madrassah graduates are coming into voting age to join him to make Pakistan, the ``purer`` than the old Land of the Pure.
The point I`m making is that Pakistan is going to be more & more conservative. That means women are going to be ``screwed``...ooops Nasbandhi et all will say that their HONOR will be rigorously protected by these bearded paragons of virtue. I mean, the women of Iran are soooo lucky.
O yeah...one last thing...my pop can beat your pop; anytime:)
#41 Posted by stuka on November 6, 2002 10:42:09 am
Romair:
``My best friend, who was a Pakistani, was not handsome by any stretch of imagination. He had his charms but those were not in the physical realms.``
Maybe it is because of your interests in the, ``charms`` of Pakistani men, that the Pakistani girls don`t agree to blind dates :-) ``
LOL What a comeback!!! HAHAHA!!!
``Ashwariya Rai and Hrithak Roshan not included. But I think they have a lot of Pakistani blood in them). ``
DUDE, QUIT FANTASIZING!!! Ash is a South Indian Brahmin. No way a Kannada girl will have Pakistani blood.
``My best friend, who was a Pakistani, was not handsome by any stretch of imagination. He had his charms but those were not in the physical realms.``
Maybe it is because of your interests in the, ``charms`` of Pakistani men, that the Pakistani girls don`t agree to blind dates :-) ``
LOL What a comeback!!! HAHAHA!!!
``Ashwariya Rai and Hrithak Roshan not included. But I think they have a lot of Pakistani blood in them). ``
DUDE, QUIT FANTASIZING!!! Ash is a South Indian Brahmin. No way a Kannada girl will have Pakistani blood.
#40 Posted by Romair on November 6, 2002 10:01:41 am
First, ``they`` make fun of our founders. Then they say the whole country should not have come into existence. After that they call us religious fanatics and themselves religious moderates. Then they state that we are war-mongers. And highlight that their fighters pilots are better than ours, so they could destroy us anytime they wanted to. They pile up their forces on our borders, while simultaneously blaming us for a potential war. They even have the audacity to point out that we cannot understand the java code written by their best and brightest Coca-cola lense wearing Bangloris.....
Maybe all of the above is true.
But to say that Indians are better looking than Pakistanis? (capital question mark!!!) Oh my Bhagwan!! What is this world coming to! Is there no limit to fantasizing and ego-nurturing! This one even the sexy Advani would have a hard time accepting.
I can still say loudly and proudly, that, during my college club going days, I have watched extremely attractive American girls walk off, in front of me, with the Australian, then the Norweigan, then the Brit, then the Argentinian, and even now and then with the odd Egyptian. But when all these guys were gone, and my only competition was with the Indian, ten times out of ten, I scored.
The fact that we are worse than the rest of the world in almost everything (including looks), but still better (only) than, ``them`` is what keeps us going. Now they want to take that right away from us also, and move us to the bottom of the heap. No way! Not till they stop wearing Kmart dress pants with Walmart tennis shoes and flannel shirts from India.
What`s next? Will we now be told that they are better sportsmen than us also. Oh my Bhagwan! Yeh din bhi dekhna tha.....
(Ashwariya Rai and Hrithak Roshan not included. But I think they have a lot of Pakistani blood in them).
Maybe all of the above is true.
But to say that Indians are better looking than Pakistanis? (capital question mark!!!) Oh my Bhagwan!! What is this world coming to! Is there no limit to fantasizing and ego-nurturing! This one even the sexy Advani would have a hard time accepting.
I can still say loudly and proudly, that, during my college club going days, I have watched extremely attractive American girls walk off, in front of me, with the Australian, then the Norweigan, then the Brit, then the Argentinian, and even now and then with the odd Egyptian. But when all these guys were gone, and my only competition was with the Indian, ten times out of ten, I scored.
The fact that we are worse than the rest of the world in almost everything (including looks), but still better (only) than, ``them`` is what keeps us going. Now they want to take that right away from us also, and move us to the bottom of the heap. No way! Not till they stop wearing Kmart dress pants with Walmart tennis shoes and flannel shirts from India.
What`s next? Will we now be told that they are better sportsmen than us also. Oh my Bhagwan! Yeh din bhi dekhna tha.....
(Ashwariya Rai and Hrithak Roshan not included. But I think they have a lot of Pakistani blood in them).
#39 Posted by Romair on November 6, 2002 9:34:02 am
rsidhar #18: ``The only problem is no Pakistani girl will meet you on a blind date. ``
I never had too many problems. I think a lot of this depends on the guy who is asking them out. Maybe the girls just have very high standards :-)
``My best friend, who was a Pakistani, was not handsome by any stretch of imagination. He had his charms but those were not in the physical realms.``
Maybe it is because of your interests in the, ``charms`` of Pakistani men, that the Pakistani girls don`t agree to blind dates :-)
I never had too many problems. I think a lot of this depends on the guy who is asking them out. Maybe the girls just have very high standards :-)
``My best friend, who was a Pakistani, was not handsome by any stretch of imagination. He had his charms but those were not in the physical realms.``
Maybe it is because of your interests in the, ``charms`` of Pakistani men, that the Pakistani girls don`t agree to blind dates :-)
#38 Posted by harimau on November 5, 2002 9:58:01 pm
Ref Naqshbandi #33
[...we don;t think it good manners or good character to flaunt our own women OR to worry about how others` women are. They are not sex objects.]
Your women are not sex objects? Then why the hell am I fantasizing about the intelligent Pakistani women who post on Chowk?
On second thoughts, YOUR women won`t be MY sex objects, that`s fer sure!
[...we don;t think it good manners or good character to flaunt our own women OR to worry about how others` women are. They are not sex objects.]
Your women are not sex objects? Then why the hell am I fantasizing about the intelligent Pakistani women who post on Chowk?
On second thoughts, YOUR women won`t be MY sex objects, that`s fer sure!
#37 Posted by maf on November 5, 2002 9:58:01 pm
Just to inform Junoon fans of their concert: They are playing at the Village Underground Nov 5 - 6. For more info and their interview (audio, etc) go to this link: http://www.theconnection.org/shows/2002/11/20021104_b_main.asp
Enjoy the show !
maf
Enjoy the show !
maf
#36 Posted by shankar on November 5, 2002 7:41:45 pm
nasbandhi,
thanks for giving gaalis to saxena for my post!
Its cos guys like you I thank God there was Partition.
thanks for giving gaalis to saxena for my post!
Its cos guys like you I thank God there was Partition.
#35 Posted by rsaxena on November 5, 2002 4:34:36 pm
re: naqsha
{we kicked your ass in Kargil pretty well i seem to remember before you had to get America to pressurise NS to pull out the mujahideen. }
...dude, your pm ran to washington when he realized india was gonna kick his ass with a full fledged attack...he bent over, like musharraf has now, and agreed to do what his american masters told him...
...but then the brave paki army refused to take the bodybags of its own soldiers...
..but you can keep believing that 72 virgins are waiting for you after you blow yourself up, and that you actually did damage in kargil...it`s all good...u`d be a fcukin retard to believe it, but it`s your right to be a retard... :)
{we kicked your ass in Kargil pretty well i seem to remember before you had to get America to pressurise NS to pull out the mujahideen. }
...dude, your pm ran to washington when he realized india was gonna kick his ass with a full fledged attack...he bent over, like musharraf has now, and agreed to do what his american masters told him...
...but then the brave paki army refused to take the bodybags of its own soldiers...
..but you can keep believing that 72 virgins are waiting for you after you blow yourself up, and that you actually did damage in kargil...it`s all good...u`d be a fcukin retard to believe it, but it`s your right to be a retard... :)
#34 Posted by Naqshbandi on November 5, 2002 3:34:41 pm
rsaxena-re: that is why i said `on the whole` cos you get bad and good in each society.
why are you upset that pakistani women dont generally flaunt their beauty? that is the way it should be alhamdulillah. It stops perverts like you from drooling all over them! Yes they are beautiful--but that beauty is for their loved ones not for every tom, dick and harry.
And how will allowing them or letting them expose their flesh improve their condition? Iran has more female doctors and engineers per head than most European countries and yet they all dress modestly in the Islamic manner.
The argument you use about insecurity is only used by deprived people who are eager to see our women take their kit off asap! Well dude, unless our society goes thru a major shake-up it aint gonna happen. Even in Turkey--with its forced ``secularism`` most of the women still dress modestly. Because they are Muslims and the defining characteristic of this Ummah is HAYAA.
Something a bay-hayaa person like you doesn`t like or get. Actually even in the vast population of India honourable women don`t flaunt it. Its just a tiny percentage of the so-called Westernised ``elite`` who do so. I really don`t know how you can argue that making women display their nakedness for the titillation of perverts like you is `progress`. I have already given the example of Iran`s women.
So you keep exposing your women and we`ll keep ours just as they are thank you very much. If displaying your body in front of millions of salivating men in so-called beauty pageants is progress then you are welcome to your horde of miss worlds and miss universes. they are really respected as individuals, aren`t they? (btw that last sentence was meant to be sarcastic.)
I bet most of the Indians on Chowk would not like it if their own daughters/sisters/mothers etc. were to appear semi-naked in these so-called beauty pageants.
It is really sad that Indians suffer from such an inferiority complex that they are always bragging about their six miss worlds etc or however many it is; as usual, you have missed the boat. Most European countries don`t even air these beauty pageants on terrestrial tv any more as it is considered degrading to women and is opposed by the feminists in this country. Read Germaine Greer`s latest book!
So, we KNOW Pakistani women are beautiful without any endorsement from miss world crowns etc. You though seem to be in serious doubt over your women if you need miss world titles to convince you. I`d say that is insulting to the millions of Indian women who ARE very beautiful.
Ghalib says,
sharm ek adaa-e-naaz hai chaahay apane hii se sahii
hai.n kitane be-hijaab ki hai.n yuu.N hijaab me.n
The emphasis being on sharm here..
why are you upset that pakistani women dont generally flaunt their beauty? that is the way it should be alhamdulillah. It stops perverts like you from drooling all over them! Yes they are beautiful--but that beauty is for their loved ones not for every tom, dick and harry.
And how will allowing them or letting them expose their flesh improve their condition? Iran has more female doctors and engineers per head than most European countries and yet they all dress modestly in the Islamic manner.
The argument you use about insecurity is only used by deprived people who are eager to see our women take their kit off asap! Well dude, unless our society goes thru a major shake-up it aint gonna happen. Even in Turkey--with its forced ``secularism`` most of the women still dress modestly. Because they are Muslims and the defining characteristic of this Ummah is HAYAA.
Something a bay-hayaa person like you doesn`t like or get. Actually even in the vast population of India honourable women don`t flaunt it. Its just a tiny percentage of the so-called Westernised ``elite`` who do so. I really don`t know how you can argue that making women display their nakedness for the titillation of perverts like you is `progress`. I have already given the example of Iran`s women.
So you keep exposing your women and we`ll keep ours just as they are thank you very much. If displaying your body in front of millions of salivating men in so-called beauty pageants is progress then you are welcome to your horde of miss worlds and miss universes. they are really respected as individuals, aren`t they? (btw that last sentence was meant to be sarcastic.)
I bet most of the Indians on Chowk would not like it if their own daughters/sisters/mothers etc. were to appear semi-naked in these so-called beauty pageants.
It is really sad that Indians suffer from such an inferiority complex that they are always bragging about their six miss worlds etc or however many it is; as usual, you have missed the boat. Most European countries don`t even air these beauty pageants on terrestrial tv any more as it is considered degrading to women and is opposed by the feminists in this country. Read Germaine Greer`s latest book!
So, we KNOW Pakistani women are beautiful without any endorsement from miss world crowns etc. You though seem to be in serious doubt over your women if you need miss world titles to convince you. I`d say that is insulting to the millions of Indian women who ARE very beautiful.
Ghalib says,
sharm ek adaa-e-naaz hai chaahay apane hii se sahii
hai.n kitane be-hijaab ki hai.n yuu.N hijaab me.n
The emphasis being on sharm here..
#33 Posted by Naqshbandi on November 5, 2002 3:34:41 pm
rsaxena wrote:
``Whats the frikking ``use`` of having so many potentially goodlooking women, if you guys are not even allowed to ``flaunt it``? I mean... your first cousin can brag that his wife(s) are the most beautiful woma/en in the world...duhhhh..how do YOU know? hahn?...he maybe have scarecrow(s) under the burkha(s) ...you havent actually SEEN her/them or had a rough idea how her/their figure is.... ``
hey what business is it of mine how another man`s wife looks? If he thinks she is beautiful--then good for him!
**
That`s the difference you see...we don;t think it good manners or good character to flaunt our own women OR to worry about how others` women are. They are not sex objects.
#32 Posted by Naqshbandi on November 5, 2002 3:34:41 pm
rsaxena--we kicked your ass in Kargil pretty well i seem to remember before you had to get America to pressurise NS to pull out the mujahideen. And the mujahideen in IOK also seem to be doing well in kicking the butt of the indian soldiers considering they are outnumbered a few thousand to 750, 000 of your brave hinood warriors..
:-D
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#30 Posted by anNy on November 5, 2002 1:15:55 pm
`My sis-in-law had gone to Karachi (in the early 80s) & it was`nt considered ``proper`` if she went to visit relatives in slacks...forget about a girl in her late teens wearing shorts in the house! ..maybe Karachi has changed now, has it? anNy?`
hello dear...last time i wore thaaaat sinful thing IN THE HOUSE some two years ago my barae taya, may he rest in peace, almost died...maybe i helped him along, what u think?...but seriously, a lot of people wear alll kinds of things..i think the thing about our society is that u have all sorts doing all sorts of things..we`re so messed up because of the discrepancies, no one set of rules...whats completely okay in say, mums side of the family (clothes) makes aunts from dad`s side of the family swoon with fear over what will become of this besharam larki...thats within one family...differences in different families are huger..there are homes where women can wear anything from the skimpiest of shorts to chotae chotae ventilating tops and then homes where slightly deep necked shalwar kameezes or sleeves that dont come till your writsts are frownded upon..u get?
okay kisssesss!
tata!!!!!!!!!
hello dear...last time i wore thaaaat sinful thing IN THE HOUSE some two years ago my barae taya, may he rest in peace, almost died...maybe i helped him along, what u think?...but seriously, a lot of people wear alll kinds of things..i think the thing about our society is that u have all sorts doing all sorts of things..we`re so messed up because of the discrepancies, no one set of rules...whats completely okay in say, mums side of the family (clothes) makes aunts from dad`s side of the family swoon with fear over what will become of this besharam larki...thats within one family...differences in different families are huger..there are homes where women can wear anything from the skimpiest of shorts to chotae chotae ventilating tops and then homes where slightly deep necked shalwar kameezes or sleeves that dont come till your writsts are frownded upon..u get?
okay kisssesss!
tata!!!!!!!!!
#29 Posted by rsaxena on November 5, 2002 10:45:19 am
re: naqsha
{I think what annoys the hinood is that our women--on the whole--alhamdulillah, have sharm and ghairat and hayaa}
...does that include your women in heera mandi?...
{I think what annoys the hinood is that our women--on the whole--alhamdulillah, have sharm and ghairat and hayaa}
...does that include your women in heera mandi?...
#27 Posted by shankar on November 5, 2002 10:45:19 am
Yo Nasbandhi:) !!
{{if most indians are honest they will accept that generally pakistanis are better looking than indians--of course there are exceptions...}}
See now THAT is the basic difference between an Indian & a Pakistani...er..I mean Pakistani bigots like YOU ---the last phrase was ``just in case`` tahmed is reading--I dont want a sermon!:))
Most Indians accept that Pakistanis gals have the POTENTIAL to look better than our gals. Most of you have ``phoren`` genes...in this case..Central Asia is ``phoren`` too ..so.. born with an ``advantage``. I dont have great admiration for a multi-millionaire Saudi..who was born with a silver spoon in the mouth....So, if Pakistani girls, in general, are prettier means DIDLEY SQUAT!!
Even though we dont have that potential; PLENTY of our women have capitalised on what little potential they have; & lately have been winning international beauty pagents & creating a huge workforce for themselves.. Not only that, even Pakistanis living in the US admit that Indian women are ready, willing & able to join the workforce AND successfully raise kids in the US.
Whats the frikking ``use`` of having so many potentially goodlooking women, if you guys are not even allowed to ``flaunt it``? I mean... your first cousin can brag that his wife(s) are the most beautiful woma/en in the world...duhhhh..how do YOU know? hahn?...he maybe have scarecrow(s) under the burkha(s) ...you havent actually SEEN her/them or had a rough idea how her/their figure is....
heck, it seems the general Pakistani mentality is so conservative that a women who even exposes her shoulders is not seen of ``good`` character! My sis-in-law had gone to Karachi (in the early 80s) & it was`nt considered ``proper`` if she went to visit relatives in slacks...forget about a girl in her late teens wearing shorts in the house! ..maybe Karachi has changed now, has it? anNy?
So, keep your beautiful women....with our blessings!! If you guys are so insecure about exposing even a slight bit of them; whats the...er...i`m trying to find the right word here....er..``use``??? I mean? is it such a HUGE sin the look at the merchandise..but DONT touch..hahn? let me ask you!!
Know what the problem with Pakistan is?? The brain power of women is UNDERAPPRECIATED & UNDERUTILISED..in Pakistan...call me a bigot; but under the garb of ``chastity`` & ``morality``; the Pakistani MEN have constantly pushed them down...
The BRAINS of Pakistani MEN are nothing worth bragging about!! If Pakistani men are honest; they will accept it...ofcourse there are exceptions... Anyways, methinks Pakistani men DESPARATELY need to utilise the brainpower of their women... Judging from the few Pakistani women on Chowk, their brains (& tongues) & temper are sharp as whips. If anyone can whoop a smart alec Indian, its them...not you buttheads...LEAST OF ALL not your ARMY!!! Those soldier boys have never won a frikking war in their glorious history...but strut around like their s*it dont stink!:))
{{if most indians are honest they will accept that generally pakistanis are better looking than indians--of course there are exceptions...}}
See now THAT is the basic difference between an Indian & a Pakistani...er..I mean Pakistani bigots like YOU ---the last phrase was ``just in case`` tahmed is reading--I dont want a sermon!:))
Most Indians accept that Pakistanis gals have the POTENTIAL to look better than our gals. Most of you have ``phoren`` genes...in this case..Central Asia is ``phoren`` too ..so.. born with an ``advantage``. I dont have great admiration for a multi-millionaire Saudi..who was born with a silver spoon in the mouth....So, if Pakistani girls, in general, are prettier means DIDLEY SQUAT!!
Even though we dont have that potential; PLENTY of our women have capitalised on what little potential they have; & lately have been winning international beauty pagents & creating a huge workforce for themselves.. Not only that, even Pakistanis living in the US admit that Indian women are ready, willing & able to join the workforce AND successfully raise kids in the US.
Whats the frikking ``use`` of having so many potentially goodlooking women, if you guys are not even allowed to ``flaunt it``? I mean... your first cousin can brag that his wife(s) are the most beautiful woma/en in the world...duhhhh..how do YOU know? hahn?...he maybe have scarecrow(s) under the burkha(s) ...you havent actually SEEN her/them or had a rough idea how her/their figure is....
heck, it seems the general Pakistani mentality is so conservative that a women who even exposes her shoulders is not seen of ``good`` character! My sis-in-law had gone to Karachi (in the early 80s) & it was`nt considered ``proper`` if she went to visit relatives in slacks...forget about a girl in her late teens wearing shorts in the house! ..maybe Karachi has changed now, has it? anNy?
So, keep your beautiful women....with our blessings!! If you guys are so insecure about exposing even a slight bit of them; whats the...er...i`m trying to find the right word here....er..``use``??? I mean? is it such a HUGE sin the look at the merchandise..but DONT touch..hahn? let me ask you!!
Know what the problem with Pakistan is?? The brain power of women is UNDERAPPRECIATED & UNDERUTILISED..in Pakistan...call me a bigot; but under the garb of ``chastity`` & ``morality``; the Pakistani MEN have constantly pushed them down...
The BRAINS of Pakistani MEN are nothing worth bragging about!! If Pakistani men are honest; they will accept it...ofcourse there are exceptions... Anyways, methinks Pakistani men DESPARATELY need to utilise the brainpower of their women... Judging from the few Pakistani women on Chowk, their brains (& tongues) & temper are sharp as whips. If anyone can whoop a smart alec Indian, its them...not you buttheads...LEAST OF ALL not your ARMY!!! Those soldier boys have never won a frikking war in their glorious history...but strut around like their s*it dont stink!:))
#26 Posted by shankar on November 5, 2002 9:15:06 am
Yo Saxena!,
My most revered friend on Chowk....judging from the 2 pictures of ``yourself`` that you sent to Chowk...for all of us to gaze at ..& imagine it was YOU...may I,er, humbly suggest...that when it comes to ``looks``...you..er..should be the last person to open your trap!!...
By any chance, if you even REMOTELY resemble any of those samples...you better thank your lucky stars that ``arranged`` marriage is the norm in Indian culture...
My most revered friend on Chowk....judging from the 2 pictures of ``yourself`` that you sent to Chowk...for all of us to gaze at ..& imagine it was YOU...may I,er, humbly suggest...that when it comes to ``looks``...you..er..should be the last person to open your trap!!...
By any chance, if you even REMOTELY resemble any of those samples...you better thank your lucky stars that ``arranged`` marriage is the norm in Indian culture...
#25 Posted by Naqshbandi on November 5, 2002 9:15:06 am
aah...mr rsridhar is upset that pakistani girls wont go on blind dates. thank Allah there is some modesty left in our women masha Allah. Why should they go on blind dates if they don`t want to?
I think what annoys the hinood is that our women--on the whole--alhamdulillah, have sharm and ghairat and hayaa and don`t let themselves become the objects of lust of other men by going on dates and things.
I think what annoys the hinood is that our women--on the whole--alhamdulillah, have sharm and ghairat and hayaa and don`t let themselves become the objects of lust of other men by going on dates and things.
#24 Posted by shankar on November 5, 2002 8:40:54 am
arjun_M,
so was Waheeda Rehman & Sadna. They were generally plain looking women, who, IMO looked spectacular in the parts they played. I used to see Indian movies upto the 80s..living in the US; esp in bfe Michigan, I lost touch:(
Now I dont even know what da F*CK Madhuri Dickshit looks like (much to Romair`s glee)
...whaddya know!! We got our very first danaewallah dukaan in bfe a few months back. He rents a modest collection of philmy videos. Guess what? Its owned by a gujju-muslim who is---of all things an ex-Indian army Captain!! I never knew such an entity existed:)!...until I met Hamzadbhai!..but thats another story....
Welllllll?!; can some nice person here recommend me a good Dickshit movie? I heard shes got a nice chest...ahemmm..umm.. I`m a chest guy.
But only another small SINCERE request..O Chowkwalloh..it should`nt be ``you-got-to-leave-your-brains-at-home`` kinda movie..OK?! you know the type I`m talking about... I`ve taken a few days off, so ..please...
Thanking you; advance..
so was Waheeda Rehman & Sadna. They were generally plain looking women, who, IMO looked spectacular in the parts they played. I used to see Indian movies upto the 80s..living in the US; esp in bfe Michigan, I lost touch:(
Now I dont even know what da F*CK Madhuri Dickshit looks like (much to Romair`s glee)
...whaddya know!! We got our very first danaewallah dukaan in bfe a few months back. He rents a modest collection of philmy videos. Guess what? Its owned by a gujju-muslim who is---of all things an ex-Indian army Captain!! I never knew such an entity existed:)!...until I met Hamzadbhai!..but thats another story....
Welllllll?!; can some nice person here recommend me a good Dickshit movie? I heard shes got a nice chest...ahemmm..umm.. I`m a chest guy.
But only another small SINCERE request..O Chowkwalloh..it should`nt be ``you-got-to-leave-your-brains-at-home`` kinda movie..OK?! you know the type I`m talking about... I`ve taken a few days off, so ..please...
Thanking you; advance..
#23 Posted by kabuliwallah on November 5, 2002 8:19:26 am
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#22 Posted by arjun_m on November 5, 2002 7:18:12 am
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#21 Posted by omar_r_quraishi on November 5, 2002 3:43:58 am
Jay -- sorry to smother your sarcasm but in case u didnt notice this article was written in early august, well before the oct election -- also i hope your not one of those pakistanis/desis who live abroad and love to pontificate about going-ons at home since most of what such people say is either misinformed or misplaced, or both -- regards
#20 Posted by jay on November 4, 2002 11:29:14 pm
Omar,
You are on the right track, a new line of fashion clothes for the pakistani women. Since the election, there have been abuse of women in islamabad for not being properly dressed. Time for you to have an Omar line of burkhas, ones with red verticl grills, and some with horizontal ones, with islamic green or military green. These would be in great demand.
At this juncture your article should have been about the irrelevance of fashion in pakistan. Soory, that would have made your article relevant which is a no..no on chowk.
You are on the right track, a new line of fashion clothes for the pakistani women. Since the election, there have been abuse of women in islamabad for not being properly dressed. Time for you to have an Omar line of burkhas, ones with red verticl grills, and some with horizontal ones, with islamic green or military green. These would be in great demand.
At this juncture your article should have been about the irrelevance of fashion in pakistan. Soory, that would have made your article relevant which is a no..no on chowk.
#19 Posted by rsridhar on November 4, 2002 4:54:21 pm
re:#15 by kabuliwallah
You are saying the same thing that i was saying. For today`s fashion industry, a lot of investment goes into this ``deportment`` department. Otherwise, models will not invest so much time learning to walk and talk in a certain way. The gorgeous woman you met in Pak will have no takers in the fashion industry unless she changes her whole personality. You and i did not make these rules. That is how fashion industry is. Heck, even Madhubala (who was arguably the most beautiful woman to light up the bollywood screen) would have few takers today if she dressed the way she did.
Sridhar
You are saying the same thing that i was saying. For today`s fashion industry, a lot of investment goes into this ``deportment`` department. Otherwise, models will not invest so much time learning to walk and talk in a certain way. The gorgeous woman you met in Pak will have no takers in the fashion industry unless she changes her whole personality. You and i did not make these rules. That is how fashion industry is. Heck, even Madhubala (who was arguably the most beautiful woman to light up the bollywood screen) would have few takers today if she dressed the way she did.
Sridhar
#18 Posted by rsridhar on November 4, 2002 4:50:18 pm
re:#13 by kabuliwallah
The only problem is no Pakistani girl will meet you on a blind date. That is how backward many of these girls are.
Anyway, in US Pakistani women are conspicuous by their absence. I used to wonder why until i came across some sitting in Devon street (Chicago) in one of the shops owned by brother/uncle. There they were, 2 Pakistani girls, sitting on their bums and whiling away their time waiting for a prince to sweep them of their feet. Out of curiosity, i asked one of them why why they can`t further their career instead of sitting on their butt. Both were young and it seemed so much a waste of time in this land of opportunity. One of them looked like she was offended. Clearly, the talk of working was offensive to her! She said she did not have to work as all her and she is here only for ``time pass`` as she put it.
Herein lies the difference. In US, you find middle class Indian women sweating it out. They come in all hues and colors but they all seem to want to move up the social ladder. And let us face it, not all of them are good looking as they need not have to be. They have the talent and they can use talent instead of their looks.
Sridhar
PS: Of the 2 Pakistani girls, one was good looking, the other was ugly and both were fair.
The only problem is no Pakistani girl will meet you on a blind date. That is how backward many of these girls are.
Anyway, in US Pakistani women are conspicuous by their absence. I used to wonder why until i came across some sitting in Devon street (Chicago) in one of the shops owned by brother/uncle. There they were, 2 Pakistani girls, sitting on their bums and whiling away their time waiting for a prince to sweep them of their feet. Out of curiosity, i asked one of them why why they can`t further their career instead of sitting on their butt. Both were young and it seemed so much a waste of time in this land of opportunity. One of them looked like she was offended. Clearly, the talk of working was offensive to her! She said she did not have to work as all her and she is here only for ``time pass`` as she put it.
Herein lies the difference. In US, you find middle class Indian women sweating it out. They come in all hues and colors but they all seem to want to move up the social ladder. And let us face it, not all of them are good looking as they need not have to be. They have the talent and they can use talent instead of their looks.
Sridhar
PS: Of the 2 Pakistani girls, one was good looking, the other was ugly and both were fair.
#17 Posted by stuka on November 4, 2002 3:29:20 pm
Naqshbandi
i am talking about the universally accepted--and scientifically proven now--prototype of beauty: symmetry, oval face, straight fine nose, high cheekbones, fair-ish skin, big eyes, flawless skin...)
Dude, there is no ``scientifically proven`` prototype of beuaty. It all depends on perception which in itself is influenced by culture. Compare Reuben`s painting with today`s Fashion Models
RSaxena:
.``..her job is not to look sexy...neither was janet reno`s...neither is condy rice`s...neither was madeleine albright`s...what`s your point?.... ``
Um, I think his point is that education and ``deportment`` have nothing to do with beauty. I am inclined to agree but not completely.
i am talking about the universally accepted--and scientifically proven now--prototype of beauty: symmetry, oval face, straight fine nose, high cheekbones, fair-ish skin, big eyes, flawless skin...)
Dude, there is no ``scientifically proven`` prototype of beuaty. It all depends on perception which in itself is influenced by culture. Compare Reuben`s painting with today`s Fashion Models
RSaxena:
.``..her job is not to look sexy...neither was janet reno`s...neither is condy rice`s...neither was madeleine albright`s...what`s your point?.... ``
Um, I think his point is that education and ``deportment`` have nothing to do with beauty. I am inclined to agree but not completely.
#16 Posted by rsaxena on November 4, 2002 11:52:21 am
re: kabuli
{no amount of sophistication or education or carry can make a Nirupama Rao (she used to be Jaswant Singh`s Chamchi) look sexy}
...her job is not to look sexy...neither was janet reno`s...neither is condy rice`s...neither was madeleine albright`s...what`s your point?....
{no amount of sophistication or education or carry can make a Nirupama Rao (she used to be Jaswant Singh`s Chamchi) look sexy}
...her job is not to look sexy...neither was janet reno`s...neither is condy rice`s...neither was madeleine albright`s...what`s your point?....
#15 Posted by kabuliwallah on November 4, 2002 11:18:23 am
re: rsridhar
I have to disagree with you on the deportment bit...no amount of sophistication or education or carry can make a Nirupama Rao (she used to be Jaswant Singh`s Chamchi) look sexy...dude, I`ve lived in Bangalore and I`ve seen knockouts with no makeup whatsoever and I`ve seen wannabes with tons of goo on their faces. The most beautiful specimen of the female species I`ve seen to this day in my 21+ years of life was this woman outside Jauharabad in Pakistan. She had a pile of firewood on her head , she was wearing clothes that cannot be called clean by any stretch of the imagination and she wasnt wearing any shoes. But her face, I am just not able to forget it. She was gorgeeeeeeeeeous. I guess what I`m trying to say is beauty is beauty no matter the education or background. Pretention and an accent can only be charming for a while. No?
Kabuli
I have to disagree with you on the deportment bit...no amount of sophistication or education or carry can make a Nirupama Rao (she used to be Jaswant Singh`s Chamchi) look sexy...dude, I`ve lived in Bangalore and I`ve seen knockouts with no makeup whatsoever and I`ve seen wannabes with tons of goo on their faces. The most beautiful specimen of the female species I`ve seen to this day in my 21+ years of life was this woman outside Jauharabad in Pakistan. She had a pile of firewood on her head , she was wearing clothes that cannot be called clean by any stretch of the imagination and she wasnt wearing any shoes. But her face, I am just not able to forget it. She was gorgeeeeeeeeeous. I guess what I`m trying to say is beauty is beauty no matter the education or background. Pretention and an accent can only be charming for a while. No?
Kabuli
#14 Posted by kabuliwallah on November 4, 2002 9:36:22 am
I agree with Naqshbandi...I would not fear meeting a Pakistani girl on a blind date...sadly I cannot say the same for Indian women
Oh and Anny, Lahori women are better looking any day than Karachi ones ;)
Oh and Anny, Lahori women are better looking any day than Karachi ones ;)
#13 Posted by rsridhar on November 4, 2002 9:36:22 am
re:#9 by Naqshbandi
Here we go again.
My contact with Pakistanis is limited to the ones i saw during my residency days in New York. Most were Mohajirs and were no better looking than an average Bihari Indian (no offense to Biharis here). My best friend, who was a Pakistani, was not handsome by any stretch of imagination. He had his charms but those were not in the physical realms. Two women from Pakistan who were doing residencywere average. One was short, plump, the other was fair but cannot be called beautiful. Both were Punjabese. The only other Paksitani (from Agha Khan Medical college) i met during my fellowship days was clearly repulsive looking.
Indians came in all hue and color. Some were good and handsome, others not so good looking. One Bombay girl (a Gujarati) was a stunner (how i wished then she was not married!).
By your definition of beauty, even a village belle from Afghanistan (we had photos of some simple beauties beamed to us from that country during those fateful months following 9/11) would be beautiful but that is not how the beauty industry views its models. There is something called ``deportment`` ie how you carry yourself. In that department, most Pakistani women (who have not seen outside of Pak) will fail to impress. City bred women (from Bombay, Delhi or Bangalore) have seen a lot more of life and know how to dress better and carry themselves better. This is a personal observation. Your blank statement that Pakistanis are better looking falls in the same category as saying `` Pakistanis are better soldiers`` or ``Paksitanis are better athletes``. It has no basis in truth.
Besides, if you really want to prove, you must convince your govt to allow beauties from your country to take part in international beauty contests, where such things are decided by qualified judges (certainly more qualified than you and me!). Last i heard, one woman competing for a contest in Singapore (?) was not allowed to compete by your govt.
Sridhar
Here we go again.
My contact with Pakistanis is limited to the ones i saw during my residency days in New York. Most were Mohajirs and were no better looking than an average Bihari Indian (no offense to Biharis here). My best friend, who was a Pakistani, was not handsome by any stretch of imagination. He had his charms but those were not in the physical realms. Two women from Pakistan who were doing residencywere average. One was short, plump, the other was fair but cannot be called beautiful. Both were Punjabese. The only other Paksitani (from Agha Khan Medical college) i met during my fellowship days was clearly repulsive looking.
Indians came in all hue and color. Some were good and handsome, others not so good looking. One Bombay girl (a Gujarati) was a stunner (how i wished then she was not married!).
By your definition of beauty, even a village belle from Afghanistan (we had photos of some simple beauties beamed to us from that country during those fateful months following 9/11) would be beautiful but that is not how the beauty industry views its models. There is something called ``deportment`` ie how you carry yourself. In that department, most Pakistani women (who have not seen outside of Pak) will fail to impress. City bred women (from Bombay, Delhi or Bangalore) have seen a lot more of life and know how to dress better and carry themselves better. This is a personal observation. Your blank statement that Pakistanis are better looking falls in the same category as saying `` Pakistanis are better soldiers`` or ``Paksitanis are better athletes``. It has no basis in truth.
Besides, if you really want to prove, you must convince your govt to allow beauties from your country to take part in international beauty contests, where such things are decided by qualified judges (certainly more qualified than you and me!). Last i heard, one woman competing for a contest in Singapore (?) was not allowed to compete by your govt.
Sridhar
#12 Posted by khamkhwa. on November 4, 2002 7:54:37 am
Astaghfirullah! now the barelvi mullahs have included model-watching and
analysing female body parts as part of their curriculum.tauba tauba.
#11 Posted by omar_r_quraishi on November 4, 2002 6:42:48 am
temporal i have no link for that interview -- but then again our designers keep saying that all the time -- perhaps with some justification -- but probably more if you criticize them -- and there are many reasons why thats the case -- tho i dont think chowk is the forum for that --
#10 Posted by anNy on November 4, 2002 6:42:48 am
taking up from naqshbandisahib, are u saying those damn injuns are better looking than us? ARE YOU?
#9 Posted by Naqshbandi on November 3, 2002 10:02:29 pm
Well *most* of our fashion models tend to be better looking than their indian counterparts..this is true of the countries as a whole too (before anyone jumps on to the bandwagon of `it depends on how you define beauty` i am talking about the universally accepted--and scientifically proven now--prototype of beauty: symmetry, oval face, straight fine nose, high cheekbones, fair-ish skin, big eyes, flawless skin...)--if most indians are honest they will accept that generally pakistanis are better looking than indians--of course there are exceptions...
:-)
#8 Posted by semipreciousme on November 3, 2002 10:02:28 pm
...while probably not comprable in scale to the one in india, the pakistani fashion scene has literally improved leaps and bounds over the last few years...esp. with the additons of fashion schools like psfd in lhr and a couple in khi...will you be doing a report on the lahore fashion week which just ended?...there was some amazing stuff...
#7 Posted by rsaxena on November 3, 2002 12:02:02 pm
re: Zafar
{Sangh Parivar uniforms (chaddees repulsive etc.) I think you really have some scope for making an impact... }
...chaddees are repulsive...so are those god awful uniforms indian policeman are made to wear...
{Sangh Parivar uniforms (chaddees repulsive etc.) I think you really have some scope for making an impact... }
...chaddees are repulsive...so are those god awful uniforms indian policeman are made to wear...
#6 Posted by Faruk on November 3, 2002 10:27:44 am
Travad #3
I think you are misinformed about the Indian Fashion scene. The India Fashion week was well organized, tastefully done and has generated a lot of business. The Models are professionals and the rich rewards have attracted some really good talent. Indian designers are now recognized in the fashion hubs of Europe. My family has been in the garment business for the last 70 years. We have never seen such explosive growth in Indian fashion.
Regards,
Faruk
I think you are misinformed about the Indian Fashion scene. The India Fashion week was well organized, tastefully done and has generated a lot of business. The Models are professionals and the rich rewards have attracted some really good talent. Indian designers are now recognized in the fashion hubs of Europe. My family has been in the garment business for the last 70 years. We have never seen such explosive growth in Indian fashion.
Regards,
Faruk
#5 Posted by ZafarA on November 3, 2002 10:27:43 am
Reply RSax #2
I``m telling you man, you are badly needed in the homeland. And now that NIFT has called for a ban on Sangh Parivar uniforms (chaddees repulsive etc.) I think you really have some scope for making an impact...
I``m telling you man, you are badly needed in the homeland. And now that NIFT has called for a ban on Sangh Parivar uniforms (chaddees repulsive etc.) I think you really have some scope for making an impact...
#4 Posted by SameerJB on November 3, 2002 10:27:28 am
Omar Quraishi: Have you heard of a Pakistani fashion designer Shakil Hussain? He has been making splashes in the Pakistani fashion clothes market. I am sure he will show up at Lahore show. His shalwar-kammez-dupatta and lehngas are hot.
#3 Posted by tvarad on November 2, 2002 10:01:47 pm
To a layman like me, Indian fashion shows just don`t make sense. Most of the clothes are heavy on embroidery and the colors and the cuts just don`t make a design stand out. Plus most of it is pretentious (a guy cuts off a jacket at odd angles and trots it out as a design; not very original).
Granted there`s a lot of crap in Western fashion but you can look at some of them and say ``Aha, there`s a nice design`` or ``That`s definitely different``. I`m yet to say that to something from an Indian designer. Maybe the industry has to mature more.
And what`s with those big butt models with bow legs anyway? I never could understand why Western shows use stick ladies but after I see the models on Indian shows, I do.
Granted there`s a lot of crap in Western fashion but you can look at some of them and say ``Aha, there`s a nice design`` or ``That`s definitely different``. I`m yet to say that to something from an Indian designer. Maybe the industry has to mature more.
And what`s with those big butt models with bow legs anyway? I never could understand why Western shows use stick ladies but after I see the models on Indian shows, I do.
#2 Posted by rsaxena on November 2, 2002 4:46:27 pm
...stupid indian govt. still can`t get our electricity grid and telecom network to function reliably, but it is heartening to know that at least they`ve not screwed up the fashion industry :)....
#1 Posted by temporal on November 2, 2002 2:04:49 pm
Omar:
[…For example, many designers here, notably Rizwan Beyg in an interview last Sunday to a Lahore-based English daily, complain all the time that Pakistan has no fashion journalists worth the name….]
---do you have a link for that interview?…
…it may very well be true…we do have jack-of-all-trades when it comes to covering the beat…
...the same reporter would cover an economic summit, a fashion spread and an existent or non-existent classical dance and in a few years might become an expert after all….
…in one field however, we can claim to have dedicated and informed writers...that will be arts and painting…beginning with semi reclusive naqvi, niilofer and others just off the top…
...t
[…For example, many designers here, notably Rizwan Beyg in an interview last Sunday to a Lahore-based English daily, complain all the time that Pakistan has no fashion journalists worth the name….]
---do you have a link for that interview?…
…it may very well be true…we do have jack-of-all-trades when it comes to covering the beat…
...the same reporter would cover an economic summit, a fashion spread and an existent or non-existent classical dance and in a few years might become an expert after all….
…in one field however, we can claim to have dedicated and informed writers...that will be arts and painting…beginning with semi reclusive naqvi, niilofer and others just off the top…
...t
