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Were We Too Hijacked by 9/11?

Pervez Hoodbhoy September 9, 2002

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#70 Posted by hobbes on September 13, 2002 1:28:19 pm
Asia Times online says

India isolated - Kofi Annan says interantional community must have a say in the future of captive kashmir - Will hindu fanatics come to their senses and negotiate? Now that Pakistan has (actually India has) successfully internationalized the issue of captive Kashmir, and India has raised international fears of state terror (events of Gujjrat) and Hindu fanatics in link to acts of terror in India has been established - what can Pakistan expect? Will the Hindu fanatics deescalate? Will the long suffering and destitute Indians (largest number of absolut poor in the world) get answer as to why Billions of Dollars were wasted in the effort to coerse Pakistan? I doubt very much if any answer will be forthcoming from the Hindu fanatics - but that is for indians of good will to ponder.
All the while, Musharraf, is feted, lionized in the US - gets standing ovations, is sought out to address the American think tanks and media outlet -
Hindu fanatics must, because it is their part of their agenda, to raise the temperature with Pakistan, The international community, especially Amnesty international cannot post inspectors in captive kashmir, they cannot monitor the so-called ``free and fair`` elections, the Indian hopes to engineer in captive kashmir. We should be vigilant, the indian will start some mischief soon.
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#69 Posted by arjun_m on September 13, 2002 1:28:19 pm
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#68 Posted by hobbes on September 13, 2002 1:27:13 pm
British Indians turned off flight from Spain for they ‘looked suspicious’

Press Trust of India

Madrid, Sept 13: Four Britons of Indian origin were prevented from returning home to UK because a number of fellow passengers on their charter flight thought they looked suspicious and threatened to leave the aircraft, Madrid daily El Pais reported on Friday.

The newspaper said the four men, whose travel documents were in order, were victims of ``September 11 syndrome``.

Tsk, Tsk - really sad, no, arjun - but they must have muslims
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#67 Posted by Pankaj on September 13, 2002 1:27:13 pm
Another smart move by India. Basically give access to all the foreign diplomats who want to see the elections in Kashmir while officially maintaining policy of not extending ``formal invitation`` that would undermine our own Election Commission. Our sovereignity should be guarded zealously while allowing those who are interested to see the fairness of the process. :

http://www.sulekha.com/redirectnh.asp?cid=241899

EC permits visits by envoys during
J&K polls, advances poll timing
Shahid K Abbas in New Delhi

The Election Commission on Friday announced that foreign diplomats would be given access to polling centres in Jammu and Kashmir during the Sep-Oct assembly elections.

It has also decided to advance the poll timing to 0700-1600 hours IST (from 0800-1700 IST announced earlier).

``For a request, the Commission has issued special passes to 28 diplomats to visit the polling centres,`` Deputy Election Commissioner and official EC spokesman A N Jha said.

The countries that had sought these passes are US, UK, Australia, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Japan, Luxemburg, Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, and the representative of the European Commission, he said
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#66 Posted by rsaxena on September 13, 2002 1:27:12 pm
...holy $hit...this is so sad...when, why, and how did this ferozk fellow become a fanatic?....
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#65 Posted by arjun_m on September 13, 2002 8:12:10 am
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#64 Posted by hobbes on September 13, 2002 8:12:10 am

Vajpayee should have been in Gujjrat - attending a service for more than 2000 Indians, fellow Indians burned to death - because they were of the wrong confession.
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#63 Posted by jay on September 13, 2002 6:34:12 am
A QUESTION OF DESTINY,

With in a span of fifty years, two countries with common heritage have evolved so differently. Vajpaye wqas in new york attending a service for the twenty indians who died, while in pakistan, al jareeza was interviewing the masterminds of the terror attack. In itlay 15 pakistanis were getting arretsde for al quaida links.

No romair or ylh wants to tlak of the values that brought about this difference
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#62 Posted by ferozk on September 13, 2002 6:34:12 am
Re: arjun_m # 52

Is there a difference between Hindu or Muslim or Jewish or Christian fundlementalism?

They are all the same, because they all advocate violent means to attain political aims. That makes them a terrorist organization. Period. Political extermism has no distinction from terrorism if it uses violence for a political end.

Otherwise, we will risk the semantical arguments of who is a freedom fighter and who is not and who is a terrorist. It was India, which made this argument in regards to Kashmir and if India has political groups that advocate violence in order to achieve their political aims, this argument applies also to India.

As George W. Bush said, ``either you with the terrorists or you are with us`` and given the nature of the war on terrorism, as defined by the United States, there is no room or nuances to make that specific distinction. Either India is against terrorism or India is for terrorism and India cannot be both at the same time.

Ciao
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#61 Posted by stuka on September 13, 2002 6:34:12 am
RSaxena:

``suxena #48,

please spare us ur nerdiness. ``

HAHAHAHA LOL!!! Boss, tu gaya... :)
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#60 Posted by sadna on September 12, 2002 10:11:08 pm
Lajwantiben #46
I feel so sad about Deepika

Khabar tori na leeni re
bahut din beetey

Maaro jooti. Nice modern gent like American Express cannot make chapati but can dance on left foot in caps see?
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#58 Posted by anarayan on September 12, 2002 8:00:17 pm
mithuna and Pankaj,

mithuna, thanks for your correction. Yes, this PSLV does not have a cryo-stage.

When I was at ISRO (5 yrs ago), engines were also named based on their stage (PS1,PS2, etc). The GSLV third stage was often referred as `C3`, C for cryo. This and the fact that this PSLV attained GTO, made me think they must have used cryo for the last stage.

After reading your post I called up a friend in the ISRO cryo div. and confirmed what you wrote. But then how did it attain GTO??? My friend says all 4 stages of the original PSLV were souped-up. He used the phrase `PSLV was simply elogated`, meaning all 4 stages carried more fuel.

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Pankaj, yes, its a great breakthrough in terms of cost since the PSLV is very much cheaper than the GSLV. But off course the GSLV can haul 2.5 tons while the PSLV only 1 ton.


``What is your opinion about the ISRO planning a manned mission to moon.``

I haven`t been keeping tabs on this, but as far as I know they mean sending a satellite to the moon and not a manned mission, which would be impossible given ISRO`s shoestring budget! A moon satellite may not be that much of an expensive proposition.

Thx,
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#57 Posted by scout on September 12, 2002 8:00:17 pm
suxena #48,

please spare us ur nerdiness.
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#56 Posted by Pankaj on September 12, 2002 2:17:22 pm
Anarayan

I am a little confused. I thought the orbit of GSLV is 36000 km. Then how does this PSLV achieve a range of 36000 km? Last time due to underpowered rocket our GSLV could not achieve a range of 36000 and hence strayed from the orbit after a couple of weeks. If we can put a GSLV into the orbit this time, it would be a technological breakthrough.

PS What is your opinion about the ISRO planning a manned mission to moon. What do you think would be the cost incurred in such an ambitious project ? How much do you think would be the technological spin off from this project and whether such a mission worthwhile. I read somewhere that ISRO claims it is achievable by 2008/2009. China is also planning a similar mission but they claim they can do it earlier than us, perhaps by 2005/2006.
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#55 Posted by Faruk on September 12, 2002 12:40:02 pm
rsaxena, anarayan, mithuna, maharana,
This is great news for India. It is a great technological achievement. With this we can save $ 60 million a launch that the Europeans used to chare us and hopefully get a chunk of the satellite launch business. It?s expected to be over a trillion dollars a year in the near future.

Faruk
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#54 Posted by Maharana on September 12, 2002 12:29:50 pm
rsaxena, anarayan and mithuna,
Great news about PSLV success!! Hope we continue doing better the same way.
Congratulations to Indian engineers and scientists.
Adios
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