The Death of Patriotism

Asad`s mono M word responses, and those too in the form of questions heighten the disconnect here.

Not about the article:

Can Chowk revert to the old interface and format? Whats with these girly colors and clunky formatting. The makeover sucks.

Satyavadi

satyavadi, #2

Those who don`t change with time, perish. The sad evidence of it is the Islamic world, from Indonesia to Morocco.

None of these stories live to see the US papers........

Daniel Lak, BBC correspondent in Delhi

A court in India is considering taking action against a village council accused of ordering a woman to be raped.
The woman accuses elected councillors of ordering that she be raped by five men after she was accused of sexual misconduct in a public meeting in Jabalpur, Madhya Pradesh.
Women often face abuse and oppression in India
The court in Jabalpur has ordered local officials to submit their version of events.
Some of those officials have denied any wrongdoing but have yet to explain the situation in court.
The woman in question says the rape did not take place after other villagers intervened.
Court order
The woman, a married 27-year old teacher, has asked the High Court in Jabalpur to take action against her local council.
She told an Indian satellite TV news channel that young schoolchildren were forced to give evidence against her in a public meeting, alleging that she had had illicit sexual relations with a man in the village.
She says she was ordered to pay a large fine or be raped.
The council and local officials have denied doing anything wrong but earlier this week, the High Court of Madhya Pradesh ordered various government officials to give evidence in response to the allegations.
Compensation
The woman`s lawyer says she is entitled to compensation because her constitutional rights have been violated.
There have been previous cases in that part of India and brutal punishments ordered by local councils or political leaders over women accused of sexual misconduct, but nothing like a rape.
Women`s rights activists say rural women in many parts of India suffer daily indignities and cases like these are firm evidence of their low status in village society.

Ref Salwar #4
[None of these stories live to see the US papers........]
The vernacular newspaper ``Dinamalar`` (literally, ``Daily Flower``) reported it with big headlines. The lead-in stated: ``We have heard of such barbarity only from Pakistan but it also happens in Madhya Pradesh...``.
The fact remains that while the woman was sentenced to be raped, she was able to escape and get justice from the courts. Therein lies the difference.

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Ref Hydra #10
[Only b/c of Musharaff war on terrorism is sucess so far...........]
You think Mushy could then stop the infiltrators into Kashmir?

Ref Hydra #7
[Nincompoop the Mianwalla case in Pakistan 6 people got Death Sentence .How many of your criminal who killed 2000 (just as much as 9-11) in gujjuriots,got even jail time ,dude???]
The 2000-strong Muslim mob that burnt the train in Gujarat has not been sentenced either. (Don`t tell me you have already forgotten the fact that Islamist thugs started the whole thing. Never start something that you can`t finish.) So, the Hindus and Muslims are just about even, I think.
By the way, do you think the courts have any validity in Pakistan? How about that poor girl who was shot dead in the offices of Asma Jahangir? her parents who ordered her killing are yet to be arrested. Oh, her mom is a gynecologist and her dad is the president of the Chamber of Commerce. I suppose their modern education has led them out of 7th century barbarities such as tumbling walls on wayward girls and instead humanely shoot them.
[READ HARAMI OU]
Right there you have identified yourself as the Hydra.
[?s split personality was on full display this week. While the reverberations of India Fashion Week, with beautiful Indian girls in their scanty dresses walking down the ramp...]
Would you rather have them wear a burqa?
Note to Chowk editors: I noticed that there are times when as soon as I open up Chowk, it says ``welcome harimau`` even before I sign on and then the name disappears. Is this a bug? Are you using cookies to identify visitors to Chowk? If so, how is 12-head still able to post under multiple nicks?

re. article:
huh!?!

...has urstruly been arrested and/or deported yet?...

I don`t think in 1971 that ``the destruction was mutual`` (between Pakistan & Bangladesh). More one-sided, no?

Ref Hydra #10
[Binalshibh Captured in Pakistan
Imagine if Bush had chosen Atal over Musharaff...
Atal & bush would be just wringing there hands together !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Only b/c of Musharaff war on terrorism is sucess so far........... ]
For one whole year after WTC, who do you think helped Binalshibh hide? And in what country?
Now can we all believe when RAW says that Osama bin Laden is alive and well and living in Pakistan?

The Pakistani left is so out touch with the people of Pakistan it`s sad how ineffectual they have opted to be - such an abdication of responsibility. On Chowk, readers may imagine that the armed forces of Pakistan are despised by ordinary pakistanis - but the truth is that generally, they are held in high esteem by ordinary Pakistanis.
The Pakistani left has in reality one goal, that is to see Pakistani society fail - in this failure will be their realization of a ``tabla rassa`` - they theorize. This same thinking has failed in all places where it was implemented. It is to the credit of Pakistan that they are tolerated and even given an opportunity to govern.
DOes it pay to be related to a army general in Pakistan? Does it pay to be related to a bank vice president? Does it pay to have connection in society? Duh?

Hobbes,
re. #19:
`` On Chowk, readers may imagine that the armed forces of Pakistan are despised by ordinary pakistanis - but the truth is that generally, they are held in high esteem by ordinary Pakistanis.``
`despised` may indeed be off the mark, but whatever esteem there once was (which Pakistani cannot love an armed forces that repules evil India, hainji?) is fast dissipating. The only reason the army is tolerated in political life is because of an apparent depletion of choices. That, and the fact that Pakistanis are brought up to respect the uniform to the point of servility. Education, I can attest, has usually had the effect of eroding this respect in Pakistan.
(This is not to say that ordianry Pakistanis do not honour the memories of their brave soldiers, of which we have many)
But take away the threat (canard?) of an attack from India, and see how fast the halo over the arms forces disappears. Not that many Sindhis, Baluchis and Muhajirs have seen it for a long time anyways.
rgds,
PM
P.S. Checked out the reply on

Americanexpress.

``Imagine if Bush had chosen Atal over Musharaff...
Atal & bush would be just wringing there hands together !!!!!!!!!!!!! ``

With a nick like american express you should know better. When the B52s start dropping those bombs, hardier souls than Musharraf pee in their pants. Remember Qadafi, we have not heard a squeek from him since, his camp was bombed. Remember Saddam, he was willing to sign any thing so long as his hyde was spared. Remember Mulah Omar and Bin Laden, they are hiding in some miserable hovel in some tribal`s backyard. Remember Malovich, his own people gave him in when those bombs started raining.

Musharraf did not wait for the bombs. He put his tail in his legs and said told Bush you are next to Allah and your wish is my commad.

Unfortunately for the common Pakistanis Bush agreed. Because if he had not, Pakistanis would have gotten rid of the occupying army as well as the Mulah brigade in one stroke.

Continuing my post #22.

Latest news...Saddam agrees to weapons inspectors, with no conditions attached.. In other words he pees in his pants again. This time not the bombs, just the threat of bombs.

Your Musharraf covered his a$$ just in time.