What I Saw In Okara
Pervez Hoodbhoy September 15, 2002
#50 Posted by jay on September 20, 2002 8:47:53 am
NUCLEAR PRICE,
Pakistan has become the philippines of the south asia, a colony of the americans all because they have the bomb. Now on every aspect of the pak society will be under the thumb of uncle sam, military will be controlled and the bomb. American free market ideas will be introduced with a non existing institutional structure, a vehicle for public opinion or an educated elite. The industrialists will exploit, all of what little pakistan has got will be foreign owned to pay off the debt.
It is pathetic to note that pakistan has got no dbt relief. only defferrment, a mounting debt a few years later. Americans are not interested in developing a society that in terms of vaues is against theirs, a spring fountain of taliban and al quida, they will only control the entry and exit points.
At last some one is listening to what I had been talking about, Control of Jihadic Frontiers is the Challenge of the day. Americans will be doing that for pakistan. Good for the world.
Pakistan has become the philippines of the south asia, a colony of the americans all because they have the bomb. Now on every aspect of the pak society will be under the thumb of uncle sam, military will be controlled and the bomb. American free market ideas will be introduced with a non existing institutional structure, a vehicle for public opinion or an educated elite. The industrialists will exploit, all of what little pakistan has got will be foreign owned to pay off the debt.
It is pathetic to note that pakistan has got no dbt relief. only defferrment, a mounting debt a few years later. Americans are not interested in developing a society that in terms of vaues is against theirs, a spring fountain of taliban and al quida, they will only control the entry and exit points.
At last some one is listening to what I had been talking about, Control of Jihadic Frontiers is the Challenge of the day. Americans will be doing that for pakistan. Good for the world.
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#49 Posted by omar_r_quraishi on September 20, 2002 8:47:37 am
rsaxena -- yaawwwwwnn -- ummm no -- actually was just going to sleep reading your expected drivel -- hahah -- actually u seem to be the only one to think it was ``blown to bits`` -- get a life rsaxena -- i hear the RSS and the VHP both have openings for head mornon! hahha
#48 Posted by Zakkk on September 20, 2002 8:47:37 am
Re Prem: ...Maybe I am just the sucker for the underdog, but with the smear campaign against Imrans wife and party, and attempts to draw in party members. I feel a little sorry for tehrik e insaf, its going into the elections without a single alliance ata regional or provincial level..it`s playing with all the cards decked against it. Most of the people I know who are fans of Imran, like Omair, won`t be in the country to vote!
#47 Posted by anNy on September 20, 2002 8:47:35 am
zakkk
what to believe? :((
http://www.nni-news.com/today/national/nat-05.htm
Imran says his struggle against corrupt to continue till his death
ISLAMABAD, Sept 20 (NNI): PTI chairman Imran Khan Thursday said that his struggle against the corrupt mafia would continue until his death.
Our movement is not for power but to bring change in the country and I will one day succeed in lowering down the coffins of the corrupt in their political graves, he said while addressing a press conference here at PTI`s central secretariat.
Imran Khan stressed upon the need of `neutral empires` because the district administrations and establishment are all out for pre-poll rigging to get King`s Party candidates succeeded in the forthcoming general elections.
The mysterious silence on part of the Election Commission, has mutilated the face of its credibility, he lamented.
Announcing the party manifesto Imran Khan said that PTI favoured General Musharraf`s seven-point agenda in the interest of nation but the government has sidetracked from its agenda and the corrupt mafia is being supported to come back to the corridors of power.
Imran Khan said that he has no personal enmity with any one. ``I have had good relations with Benazir Bhutto, Nawaz Sharif and the people in the sitting government. My contention is based on principles and in the best interest of nation.``
To a question he said that under the present no men of principle can take part in elections because thana katchehry ki siyasat is based on rivalries and family feuds. ``The people are hostage to their whims and greed. I have come to save the masses from them. I will show them their political death``, he vowed.
He said PTI after coming into power would bring a number of reforms in judiciary, economic structure, justice system, social sector, education, provincial harmony and international relations.
He expressed his anger over some reports carried by a section of press regarding his wife Jemima Khan. ``Propaganda against a convert is no service to Islam``, he said and added his wife during her university days read Salman Rushdi`s book on Pakistan ``Shame`` that is included in University`s syllabus. He posed a question if Muslims behave like this, how would a non-Muslim convert to Islam?
what to believe? :((
http://www.nni-news.com/today/national/nat-05.htm
Imran says his struggle against corrupt to continue till his death
ISLAMABAD, Sept 20 (NNI): PTI chairman Imran Khan Thursday said that his struggle against the corrupt mafia would continue until his death.
Our movement is not for power but to bring change in the country and I will one day succeed in lowering down the coffins of the corrupt in their political graves, he said while addressing a press conference here at PTI`s central secretariat.
Imran Khan stressed upon the need of `neutral empires` because the district administrations and establishment are all out for pre-poll rigging to get King`s Party candidates succeeded in the forthcoming general elections.
The mysterious silence on part of the Election Commission, has mutilated the face of its credibility, he lamented.
Announcing the party manifesto Imran Khan said that PTI favoured General Musharraf`s seven-point agenda in the interest of nation but the government has sidetracked from its agenda and the corrupt mafia is being supported to come back to the corridors of power.
Imran Khan said that he has no personal enmity with any one. ``I have had good relations with Benazir Bhutto, Nawaz Sharif and the people in the sitting government. My contention is based on principles and in the best interest of nation.``
To a question he said that under the present no men of principle can take part in elections because thana katchehry ki siyasat is based on rivalries and family feuds. ``The people are hostage to their whims and greed. I have come to save the masses from them. I will show them their political death``, he vowed.
He said PTI after coming into power would bring a number of reforms in judiciary, economic structure, justice system, social sector, education, provincial harmony and international relations.
He expressed his anger over some reports carried by a section of press regarding his wife Jemima Khan. ``Propaganda against a convert is no service to Islam``, he said and added his wife during her university days read Salman Rushdi`s book on Pakistan ``Shame`` that is included in University`s syllabus. He posed a question if Muslims behave like this, how would a non-Muslim convert to Islam?
#46 Posted by PM on September 20, 2002 1:11:20 am
Prem,
I am very curious to know the basis on which you reached the conclusion that Imran Khan is a ``man of neither intelligence nor vision``, and a feudal par exellence to boot!
I spent the past year in Karachi, and his erstwhile status as King`s man notwithstading, he came across as not only the most (only?) honest political figure but quite intelligent too. Intelligent enough to know that no amount of `realism` is going to get Pakistan out of the massive mess it is; while pragmatism-tempered idealism can. Also, he was forthright about not having the magical wand or portions with which to wish away the myriad of problems, but that the only hope lay in establishing institutions that would support gradual change.
I really would be interested to know how you formed YOUR opinion.
rgds,
PM
I am very curious to know the basis on which you reached the conclusion that Imran Khan is a ``man of neither intelligence nor vision``, and a feudal par exellence to boot!
I spent the past year in Karachi, and his erstwhile status as King`s man notwithstading, he came across as not only the most (only?) honest political figure but quite intelligent too. Intelligent enough to know that no amount of `realism` is going to get Pakistan out of the massive mess it is; while pragmatism-tempered idealism can. Also, he was forthright about not having the magical wand or portions with which to wish away the myriad of problems, but that the only hope lay in establishing institutions that would support gradual change.
I really would be interested to know how you formed YOUR opinion.
rgds,
PM
#45 Posted by arjun_m on September 19, 2002 3:32:33 pm
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#43 Posted by Prem on September 19, 2002 11:26:55 am
re: Zakkk # 34
Hey Zakkk, you would know these militico-politics better, but I wonder why Pakistani military needs a Quisling League when it already has Imran Khan. The match between Imran khan and the military is so perfect, so ideal, it is truly made in heaven. The military can not have a better feudal installed as Prime Minister than Imran Khan - a man of neither intelligence nor vision, but personal appeal for those catching at straws.
At a first glance, the Quisling League appears to be standard smokescreen to provide some ``legitimacy`` to Imran Khan in a game between Imran Khan and the military.
Is that too cynical a view in your opinion? Does anybody other than these two Quislings have a chance of ``winning`` the ``popular vote?``
Hey Zakkk, you would know these militico-politics better, but I wonder why Pakistani military needs a Quisling League when it already has Imran Khan. The match between Imran khan and the military is so perfect, so ideal, it is truly made in heaven. The military can not have a better feudal installed as Prime Minister than Imran Khan - a man of neither intelligence nor vision, but personal appeal for those catching at straws.
At a first glance, the Quisling League appears to be standard smokescreen to provide some ``legitimacy`` to Imran Khan in a game between Imran Khan and the military.
Is that too cynical a view in your opinion? Does anybody other than these two Quislings have a chance of ``winning`` the ``popular vote?``
#42 Posted by rsaxena on September 19, 2002 10:01:22 am
re: onmar_quar
...awww...what`s da matta?...little boy is angry because his little thesis on pak media`s objectivity was blown away?....
...awww...what`s da matta?...little boy is angry because his little thesis on pak media`s objectivity was blown away?....
#41 Posted by ali_1 on September 19, 2002 10:01:22 am
Elimination of Fuedalism can be a simple process.
a) A Law is passed to grant ownership rights to the land that the peasants/serfs work on.
b) A Klashnikov rifle and 1000 rounds are provided from the zakat funds to each peasant family to enforce their property rights.
Would be fun to watch Shahnawaz Khar, sac and other fuedal brats apply for political asylum in the US.
a) A Law is passed to grant ownership rights to the land that the peasants/serfs work on.
b) A Klashnikov rifle and 1000 rounds are provided from the zakat funds to each peasant family to enforce their property rights.
Would be fun to watch Shahnawaz Khar, sac and other fuedal brats apply for political asylum in the US.
#40 Posted by jay on September 19, 2002 8:22:07 am
BLAMING THE IMF,
It is pathetic to see people attributing any kind of economic rationale to the activities in pakistan. The attempts to evict the tillers from military land is more likely to be an effort by the military to increase revenue rather than any typee of macro economic objectives of lowering production costs and tax write offs.
One should not forget that pak govt has given up on collecting import duties for the items sold in burra markets. They wanted to tax the shops based on the number of rolling shutters the shop has, and that is as low as the great farren returned economists of pakistan can think off. There were riots and nothing has changed.
A failed country that cannot detect the goods flowing across its borders has no right to talk of any kind of policy. There has to be a limit to white washing a failed corrupt state.
It is pathetic to see people attributing any kind of economic rationale to the activities in pakistan. The attempts to evict the tillers from military land is more likely to be an effort by the military to increase revenue rather than any typee of macro economic objectives of lowering production costs and tax write offs.
One should not forget that pak govt has given up on collecting import duties for the items sold in burra markets. They wanted to tax the shops based on the number of rolling shutters the shop has, and that is as low as the great farren returned economists of pakistan can think off. There were riots and nothing has changed.
A failed country that cannot detect the goods flowing across its borders has no right to talk of any kind of policy. There has to be a limit to white washing a failed corrupt state.
#39 Posted by arjun_m on September 19, 2002 8:22:07 am
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#38 Posted by wajahat on September 19, 2002 7:07:03 am
We as a nation are proned to the excesses of our so called protectors, as Dr hoodbhoy rightly said, it is our fear of the being in a state of perpetual war that keeps us from pointing the finger at the real cause of our dismay. We are a militarised nation, where we can have a gun battle between revolting minorities and suave Military Exhibitions in the same city on a single day. From Okara to Gwador the story is the same. The colonialist did have the last laughs as they bestowed upon us a murky and delirious set of bourgeosie. Democracy is only a utopia in this autocratic world of ours.
#37 Posted by omar_r_quraishi on September 19, 2002 7:07:03 am
rsaxena: shut up already ! hahah -- for other readers this might be relevant -- editorial in today`s dawn on the issue --
Negotiate they must
The Punjab government`s refusal to talk to the tenants of military-managed farms in Okara and its insistence on posting paramilitary troops to deal with the situation there is only adding to the tension and resentment in the area. On Tuesday, tenants working on these lands again accused the Rangers of forcibly making them sign new land contracts which the tillers say will compromise their tenancy rights and interests. The Punjab government is not even ready to listen to the grievances of the tenants, and instead is relying on coercive power to keep them under check. However, as the events of recent weeks should have amply shown by now, this approach simply cannot resolve the conflict. To make matters worse, the head of the Pakistan Rangers in Punjab was quoted last week as saying that ``illegal`` and ``anti-state`` NGOs were creating rifts between the tenants and the military farm administration. The officer, a two-star general, had also said that after the elections in October he would recommend to the government to check the accounts of these NGOs and to take note of their ``other activities``. These allegations were repeated by representatives of a hitherto unknown tenants` organization saying that the Indian intelligence agency RAW was taking advantage of the situation and instigating a section of tenants to agitate.
The role of the Rangers in this whole affair, coupled with the repeated allegations that tenants were being forced to sign the new contracts, has been most counter-productive. The paramilitary forces seems to have become involved in the dispute as if it were a directly affected party. The Rangers do have a role but that should be confined only to the maintenance of law and order. For it to become involved in something as substantive as signing of new contracts by the farmers is something quite counter-productive. The tenants have time and again said that they would be more than willing to discuss the matter with the Punjab government, the actual owner of the lands. The provincial government must have realized by now that it is important to talk directly to the representatives of the tenants and try to resolve the problem in a spirit of mutual accommodation. It is pointless to pretend that it is merely a law and order problem that can be tackled only by more effective use of police and Rangers.
Negotiate they must
The Punjab government`s refusal to talk to the tenants of military-managed farms in Okara and its insistence on posting paramilitary troops to deal with the situation there is only adding to the tension and resentment in the area. On Tuesday, tenants working on these lands again accused the Rangers of forcibly making them sign new land contracts which the tillers say will compromise their tenancy rights and interests. The Punjab government is not even ready to listen to the grievances of the tenants, and instead is relying on coercive power to keep them under check. However, as the events of recent weeks should have amply shown by now, this approach simply cannot resolve the conflict. To make matters worse, the head of the Pakistan Rangers in Punjab was quoted last week as saying that ``illegal`` and ``anti-state`` NGOs were creating rifts between the tenants and the military farm administration. The officer, a two-star general, had also said that after the elections in October he would recommend to the government to check the accounts of these NGOs and to take note of their ``other activities``. These allegations were repeated by representatives of a hitherto unknown tenants` organization saying that the Indian intelligence agency RAW was taking advantage of the situation and instigating a section of tenants to agitate.
The role of the Rangers in this whole affair, coupled with the repeated allegations that tenants were being forced to sign the new contracts, has been most counter-productive. The paramilitary forces seems to have become involved in the dispute as if it were a directly affected party. The Rangers do have a role but that should be confined only to the maintenance of law and order. For it to become involved in something as substantive as signing of new contracts by the farmers is something quite counter-productive. The tenants have time and again said that they would be more than willing to discuss the matter with the Punjab government, the actual owner of the lands. The provincial government must have realized by now that it is important to talk directly to the representatives of the tenants and try to resolve the problem in a spirit of mutual accommodation. It is pointless to pretend that it is merely a law and order problem that can be tackled only by more effective use of police and Rangers.
#36 Posted by shammi on September 19, 2002 7:07:03 am
Reviews of recent books on Pakistan
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/15740
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/15740
#34 Posted by Zakkk on September 18, 2002 3:52:35 pm
Hey anny
Looks like the Quisling League has gone all out against Imran Khan. The worry of an election without mudslinging has ended lol! Omairrrr comments please!
http://www.syberwurx.com/nation/daily/today/national/lhr2.htm
Looks like the Quisling League has gone all out against Imran Khan. The worry of an election without mudslinging has ended lol! Omairrrr comments please!
http://www.syberwurx.com/nation/daily/today/national/lhr2.htm
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