A Classical Revival?

``[Abay aadhay hindu! what happened to your tail ``Talib``. ]

Now be gentle with our friend here. Picture him running for his life in the streets of his native Ahmedabad, with the kar sevaks with cans full of kerosene on his tail.... and him performing abhinayas, natyas and nrityas while he runs.... the Indian constitution tucked in his right and Bhagwad Geeta in his left hip pocket.... ``

WOW!!! I am amazed at the love and compassion you have for the Indian component of the Ummah. With friends like you, who needs enemies??? I personally don`t care about Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh but I won`t gloat about their misfortunes either. U call your religion merciful?? Who the hell are you kidding?? Yourselves??

Ali#1

``Kathak and bharatynatyam dancers should hold a half peeled banana in there hands while performing and doing the intricate abhinayas, natyas and nrityas. That will make the monkey dance look more authentic. ``

Dude, am I missing something here??? I am completely ignorant about Kathak and Bharatnatyam. To me, they actually are comparable to a monkey dance. I am also not interested in learning anything about those dances either. But then, I also don`t know about words like ``intricate abhinayas, natyas and nrityas`` which to me is Greek. So, if you are ignorant about this stuff, how the hell do u know these terms??? Obviously, you are interested enough to learn, right???

I strongly suspect that your internet persona is completely fake. Are you related to Bhartiya Mussulman?

UrsTruly

``I think people like Ali1 and others have genuine grievances with Hindus which must be addressed with compassion and love ``

Why? Ali is Pakistani. not our problem to sort his grievences, unless he chooses to live in India

``It is the rage of the castrated frustrated feudal master that fuels the ovens of hatred. ``

Dude, that is a load of crock. I have friends in the Army who lead decent lives, have nothing to do with feuadlism, have okay sex lives, and yet they don`t have a benevelont view of Pakistan coz they have people die day in and day out.

I happened to mention that my room mate was Pakistani at a Air Force social gathering in Amritsar, and the result was pin drop silence.

It is easy to convert real issues into some sort of a joke, but to say that the popular rage against Pakistan is fuelled by some sort of sexual inadequacy is misleading.

BTW, WOMEN DO START WARS. Think Indira Gandhi, Maggie Thatcher, even Golda Mier.

Verghese

Believe all the Sardarji jokes, they are all true. But we can laugh at ourselves. Hindus and Muslims have a tendency to sulk and cry and get violent if you make funnys at them. And lord knows, there is plenty to laugh at there!

-h-

Pankaj;

I know how you feel, that midnight disorientation.

[How come the hate brigade always uses sexual imagery to incite people, to fill them with disgust at ``the other``. They hate their sexual deficiency and hence deep down they hate themselves... they project their own sexual deficiencies on the ``other, the other`s gods`` reveling in directing their inner self-hatred on the ``other``]

You are right.

Misogyny and communal hatred are deeply entwined. Fear of womens independance, sexual independance, material and spiritual is at the heart of desi backwardness and communalism. To keep your own ``bitches`` under control, and to despoil the ``others`` womanhood, which is the mark of absolute succesful pollution and domination.

It is the mark of the fundamentalist and the racist that they fear the despoilation caused by the independance of women...thats what the lynch mobs in Gujarat did systematicaly, it is what obsessed the New York death squads, it is the refrain of racists who fear that the blacks are ``taking all our women``.

It is the rage of the castrated frustrated feudal master that fuels the ovens of hatred.

On independance day, the models of Gauris and Prithvis in the parades should be replaced with models of Vajpayees and Musharaafs cocks. They should raise models on roundabaouts and in schools of these missiles, the great powerful cocks of our leaders, who has the biggest one, one with hood, one without. These are the priapic toys and joys of our nations, look at the beauty and size of our leaders cocks. We will blast you to kingdom come with these nuclear cocks of ours.

Women wouldnt fight each other. They have more sense.

Misogynistic, macho cultures will always be backwards.


-h-

Dear Harpreet

It is a little late in the night. I am staring at the computer screen thinking what to write. Should I let my fingers run riot on the keyboard and watch the melange of words and phrases churning out into another post; or perhaps you already know what I am about to say. Several images cross my mind in quick succession; sometimes randomly overlapping, at other times originating from one single source. The Two minutes hate, Winston Smith, George Orwell, 1984. That`s indeed a good idea. Why not have a separate column called ``Two minutes hate`` in which, courtesy Orwell, the only passion allowed would be hate. Hate, in retrospection, is a purer emotion than love. Ah, what`s this? Another blurred image grows from a dot expanding outwards till it overwhelms my mindscreen...Freedom at midnight, Lapierre, Nathuram Godse, Veer Savarkar.... Is unimaginable hatred an outlet for sexual inadequecy.... was Nathuram`s act an act of loyalty towards his sexual partner Savarkar... why did one of the 911 hijackers denied any earthly women the privilege to visit his grave while dreaming of ravishing heavenly beauties... perhaps he figured that the Lord will grant him infinite sexual prowess to enjoy heavenly nymphets? How come the hate brigade always uses sexual imagery to incite people, to fill them with disgust at ``the other``. They hate their sexual deficiency and hence deep down they hate themselves... they project their own sexual deficiencies on the ``other, the other`s gods`` reveling in directing their inner self-hatred on the ``other``. They hate themselves and hence have suicidal tendencies... . My mindscreen is getting blank again.... Perhaps it is time for me to take some rest.

Harpreet # 80

Your responses - more precisely reminded me of a ``Sardarji`` joke , i chose not to belive it untile - that is I saw youre responses.

Cheers mate.

shammi #49,

Pakeezah is a great MOVIE; I enjoy it as a movie. As for the conservatist elements in it--I am a conservative I guess in many aspects but I don`t have to agree with everything in a movie to like that movie! It was beautifully shot and had great acting, great Urdu dialogue and mesmerising songs and music = great movie. (The plot was fairly typical).
Umrao Jaan is another great movie. It is amusing that the `golden age` of Bollywood seems to have imagined all muslims to have been poets and all rich muslims to have visited courtesans! I guess it is a stereotype of the Muslim in Bollywood cinema...what IS different now is that now Muslims are portayed as either ISI agents or as criminals.

Is the Bombay underworld really dominated by Muslims? But this anti-Muslim (and rabidly anti Pakistan) motif in BW is a recent thing..since the BJP came to power really. Bfore that we even had Amitabh playing a Muslim hero in Coolie and in Deewar too the lucky charm was a 786 badge...

I think it is perhaps a reaction to the fact that the Muslims have had a major contribution/influence to what is North Indian culture --something which Hindus ( the BJP et al) are at pains to try to deny! Conversely, there is no doubt that a lot of Hindu elements have also crept into Muslim culture too in Indo-Pak. Those which are not against Shariah are fine and should be kept but those which are against it--eh jehez, widows not being encouraged to marry again etc--must be eliminated insha Allah.

Prem #72

Notice that I did not point to any individuals in my post. I accept that some of the most disgusting and sordid people in the world are in India, such as for example the people who burnt others alive in Godhra AND ahmedabad. L.K. Advani is a demagogue and a hate monger and will be remembered only for exploiting hate in a cunning manner. People who confuse indian nationalism with the BJP`s Sarvarkar-Jinnah TNT are deeply confused.

What I did provide was to question godot`s astonishing belief that he can present himself as a peacelover while ignoring Kargil, support for jihad in Pakistan, etc. This is something that must be challenged: starting from a general/president guy who runs around calling for peace while winking at terror, to middle-class folks who participate in peace marches while their compatriots fund grenades thrown in J&K markets and killing 2 year olds. If you want to present yourself as a reasonable person, you are going to have to take some responsibility...

Pmishra2, #69
If I didn`t sense a hint of niceness in your post, I`d think that you`re being an apologist for hatred. But that`s very dangerous, though. People can take your eloquence and consider it a justification for their hatred. I`m sorry to see that J&K is also your obsession and your focal point of hatred towards Pakistan. Pakistan has shown no inclination to destabilize India, apart from their support for Kashmir rebels, a piece of real estate that Pakistanis think should belong to them based on history. But how do you explain the RAW agents in Pakistan trying to destabilize that country, and Indian atrocities committed in Kashmir? At any rate, as you very correctly point out, however inadvertently, J&K is the core issue and the seed from which hatred towards each other springs. Why doesn`t India come to grips with this reality and start a dialogue with Pakistan with a clean slate?

PS: Your sarcasm notwithstanding, all those adjectives you laid out for me, including the ``American`` bit, are very true.

Verghese, #70
``So I guess the moral of the story is that both sides need to appreaciate the finer points of each other and move on.``

This is precisely what I think. I also believe it`s our duty, as well literate people who live in the twentyfirst century, to bury the past and work towards peace and understanding with each other. All this J&K and hatred business does not bode well for South Asians and South Asia. This ill feeling and ill will towards each other has grave consequences for the region. I am absolutely dismayed to see that current Indian leadership is so blatant in its hatred towards Pakistan. As is the case in most countries, ordinary Indian citizens just follow whatever their leaders say, no matter how ignorant that leadership might be.

Prem, #72
``At the national level, an average Indian is far angrier and unwilling to compromise with Pakistan today than was the case five years ago. That comparison is across time, not across nations.``

Quite true. And it is our responsibility to reverse the time and go back to when we just accepted each other without hating them.

Harpreet, #79
``Desis have real difficulty with the individual Godot. We have the collective mindset, communal. The individual isnt valued in this culture, so we ascribe group characteristics too readily.``

Very perceptive of you, Harpreet. How do we fix it then?

PS: Hey, I may be spending one full day in London. Would like to get together with you over a couple of lagers. Drop me a line at godotatchowk@yahoo.com if you want to get together and hang out.

Verghese;

Oh wow! You are so exciting!! hahaha

wanker

Godot;

I know it is actually frightening to come asross objectification and collective hatred like that. But I reckon it works both ways. I think there can be a similar level of hatred directed towards India from other countries. I was with some Mirpuri friends of my friend who didnt realise I was Sikh, and he started chatting about how all Sikh/Hindu women are sluts. I just laughed and agreed with him and my friend mortified apologised but what did he have to apologise for. I refuse to take responsibility for the statements of morons who may share my race/nationality/background/religion, so I dont make others culpable for the deeds of ``their own``.

(Desis have real difficulty with the individual Godot. We have the collective mindset, communal. The individual isnt valued in this culture, so we ascribe group characteristics too readily)

Hatred has become a by-product of nationalist constructs in South Asia at various levels. The whole thing stinks. Just cut people like that out of your life completely. Dont dwell on it because you are a good man and it is a waste of neurons to think over fools like that. I clear out of websites like this when too much piss and vinegar gets expelled.

And remember at the end of the day it is a function of the inadequate and the pathetic. I mean how more pathetic can you actually get than peope like that.

(They dont get laid. That is so blatantly obvious)

-h-

Verghese

Oh wow were you mocking me hahaha well I apologise if I misread you and insulted you in my last post but hey I was in a hurry and like you say it would be a dull place if we all acted like oneself

sorry dude!!

re: beef production in India

http://www.fas.usda.gov/dlp/countrypages/inbfsit.html
Sridhar

re: rsridhar #75

Some of my good friends actually take pride in eating beef, and can`t stop telling the whole world about it. I say, good for them, if they like the taste.

As for me, I don`t discriminate: I look at anybody who eats any meat with utter contempt :)