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Abrar Akbar September 24, 2002
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#30 Posted by nasah on September 29, 2002 8:01:46 am
So this how the Deputy Prime Criminal Advani ended up comgratulating the Chief State Criminal Modi -- for `preventing` the backlash:
``LUCKNOW, Sept. 28. — The communal flare-up in Gujarat was a blot on the government’s record, Mr LK Advani said today (thanks to my rath-yatra -- my desruction of a historical structure)
The Deputy Prime Minister was speaking at the concluding session of the state BJP.
He praised the Narendra Modi government for checking any backlash after the terrorist attack on the Swaminarayan temple.``(PTI)
`Praise be to Modi MiaN -- for preventing the backlash -- thanks for `VOLUNTARILY` believing in the RULE OF LAW --
`Guj is in Good Hands` -- now, folks.
#29 Posted by shammi on September 29, 2002 7:09:10 am
Re: dost-mittar
``..I liked Musharraf much more as a dictator...``
How can reasonable people make unreasonable statements like that while enjoying the protection of a Western liberal democracy themselves?
``..I liked Musharraf much more as a dictator...``
How can reasonable people make unreasonable statements like that while enjoying the protection of a Western liberal democracy themselves?
#28 Posted by nasah on September 29, 2002 7:09:09 am
Glimpse of RULE OF LAW after the dastardly attack on innocent temple worshipprs by murderous militants.
How a communal backlash was prevented
SANJAY SINGH
STATESMAN NEWS SERVICE
NEW DELHI, Sept. 28. — An unwritten order to the Army and central paramilitary forces in Gujarat helped contain retaliatory violence after the temple attack.
In contrast to the post-Godhra situation, Army and paramilitary officers were asked “to act on their own if they sensed that violence was imminent”.
They had the authority to shoot, if the situation so demanded.
Significantly, the requirement of prior permission from civilian authorities before moving in a specified area was waived.
Senior government leaders, sources said, made it clear to the Narendra Modi government that it must issue “necessary paperwork” to the armed forces in case the latter had to take on-the-spot decisions.
“Post facto, on paper everything would be fine. It would appear that the state administration and the armed forces had acted in tandem”, sources said.
After the Godhra incident, the state was accused of keeping the Army idle for several hours and not providing soldiers with necessary logistical support and also not deploying the forces in areas where they were required most.
An indication of the new orders came on Thursday, the day of the VHP bandh. One of the first decisions defence minister Mr George Fernandes took after reaching Ahmedabad was to order a flag march by the Army in various areas to instill a sense of confidence among local people.
The alertness of security forces, sources said, prevented a flare-up in Ahmedabad. A crowd had gathered in a “sensitive” area but within a few minutes, Army personnel, accompanied by the police, reached the spot.
Given the unsettled conditions in Gujarat after the post-Godhra violence, a certain degree of Army presence was being maintained in the cantonment in Ahmedabad so that quick action was possible in case of any trouble.
Which explains how troops were able to react almost immediately to the attack on the temple in Gandhinagar.``(SNS)
How a communal backlash was prevented
SANJAY SINGH
STATESMAN NEWS SERVICE
NEW DELHI, Sept. 28. — An unwritten order to the Army and central paramilitary forces in Gujarat helped contain retaliatory violence after the temple attack.
In contrast to the post-Godhra situation, Army and paramilitary officers were asked “to act on their own if they sensed that violence was imminent”.
They had the authority to shoot, if the situation so demanded.
Significantly, the requirement of prior permission from civilian authorities before moving in a specified area was waived.
Senior government leaders, sources said, made it clear to the Narendra Modi government that it must issue “necessary paperwork” to the armed forces in case the latter had to take on-the-spot decisions.
“Post facto, on paper everything would be fine. It would appear that the state administration and the armed forces had acted in tandem”, sources said.
After the Godhra incident, the state was accused of keeping the Army idle for several hours and not providing soldiers with necessary logistical support and also not deploying the forces in areas where they were required most.
An indication of the new orders came on Thursday, the day of the VHP bandh. One of the first decisions defence minister Mr George Fernandes took after reaching Ahmedabad was to order a flag march by the Army in various areas to instill a sense of confidence among local people.
The alertness of security forces, sources said, prevented a flare-up in Ahmedabad. A crowd had gathered in a “sensitive” area but within a few minutes, Army personnel, accompanied by the police, reached the spot.
Given the unsettled conditions in Gujarat after the post-Godhra violence, a certain degree of Army presence was being maintained in the cantonment in Ahmedabad so that quick action was possible in case of any trouble.
Which explains how troops were able to react almost immediately to the attack on the temple in Gandhinagar.``(SNS)
#27 Posted by temporal on September 28, 2002 9:01:17 am
ferozk 10-4!
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Sobho: the struggle continues
By Beena Sarwar
Had he been a bit younger, Sobho Gianchandani might have been contesting the forthcoming elections on an independent platform from his hometown Larkana. But at 83, the veteran activist and lawyer now limits his political activities to attending seminars and gatherings. This summer, for example, has seen him in Hyderabad, Larkana, Karachi, and Jamshoro, despite the intense heat, on the invitation of those for whom he has long been an inspiration and a symbol of commitment to leftist politics and Sindh.
When after about twelve years of dictatorship, Pakistan returned to electoral politics in 1988, Gianchandani took the plunge into the electoral fray, contesting on a seat reserved for non-Muslims under the separate electorate system imposed by Gen. Ziaul Haq. Although in principle opposed to the separate electorate system, he felt that was the only way he could get into the assemblies. He won, but the results were `reversed` after having been announced. A court case followed, which lingered on until the dissolution of the assemblies in 1990 ushered in a caretaker government and fresh elections.
By that time, he already had almost half a century of political involvement under his belt, having started out during the Quit India movement in 1942. Then still a student at the S.C. Shahani Law College (now S.M. Law College) in Karachi, he soon found himself in jail, the first of many such incarcerations. On being freed in 1945, an unrepentant Gianchandani joined the communist Party, and became a leading member.
``I fought for the freedom of Sindh, which included Larkana. I fought the British.`` This struggle was in line with the policy of the communist Party ``to support the struggle of the backward Muslim nationalities for nationhood.`` Young Gianchandani, born to a Hindu family in the village of Bhindee near Mohenjodaro, joined in that struggle with an undying commitment.
But the new state of Pakistan was not sympathetic to such politics, and he was imprisoned again in 1948. Told to leave for India or be prepared to die in jail, Gianchandani refused. He was released in 1952, but then again arrested and jailed (1954-55) after the communist Party was banned two years later. In 1957 he joined Karachi University to study law, but his politics led to another arrest, this time resulting in a five-year confinement at Bhindee (1958-64). During that period he threw himself into agriculture, and ``became an excellent farmer``, as he recalls with some satisfaction. The next year, when India and Pakistan went to war, he was jailed again, for three months this time.
He has humorously referred to himself as a three-headed monster: a Sindhi, a communist, and a Hindu -- each an anathema for the Pakistani authorities. In his own family, he remains an oddity, a Hindu who refuses to pander to the `choot chaat` of the caste system. ``When the rag-pickers come to our door, I give them water in my own glass.``
In 1968, Gianchandani made another bid at completing his studies, joining Kazi Fazulullah Law College, Larkana. He finished the course in two years, and began teaching constitutional and international law there. ``I came into civil and criminal law later,`` he says, conjecturing that today, he is probably the oldest practicing member of the Sindh High Court. (``I don`t take new cases though``.)
A vociferous reader, he continues to build up an already extensive knowledge of history and politics, vocally opposing military rule and arbitrary changes to the constitution, advocating a swift return to democracy and peaceful relations with the neighbouring countries. However, he concedes that some of the steps taken by the present military government have been positive, like the abolishment of the hated separate electorate. ``Now there are constituencies where the Hindu or Christian vote will matter,`` he says. ``Before, if a Hindu girl ran away with someone, her family would have to go to the Hindu representative in the assembly if they needed his intervention, no matter if they lived in Larkana and he was in Lahore.``
Gianchandani`s nationalistic consciousness was first jolted awake when he went to Bengal, to do his BA at the famous learning center, Shantiniketan, founded by Rabindranath Tagore near Calcutta. The years (1939-41) spent at that sophisticated and cosmopolitan environment were an eye-opener for the village boy from Sindh, who had travelled across the sub-continent by train; the general disparagement about his ethnic background, including the astonishment of Tagore himself that Sindh had sent across this intelligent young fellow, stirred up pride for his heritage. But Sobho Gianchandani is no bigot.
Some years ago, when he was invited to give a lecture tour in the USA and applied for a visa, the American ambassador expressed an interest in meeting this man on whom they had a file several inches thick. ``He asked me, `Do you want Sindhu Desh?` I said no. I want maximum autonomy for Sindh within the Pakistani federation,`` recalls Gianchandani. ``Mengal accused me in London of being an anti-Punjabi. I told him, no. I am not. Just as there are good people everywhere, there are many in the Punjab too. Our comrades in the Punjab, people like Ahmed Salim, Abdullah Malik and others, they have always stood by us and supported the struggle of the oppressed people for justice.``
Nor, he asserts categorically is his quarrel ``with the Americans or with the mullahs,`` although he is openly critical of the role played by both in destroying the social fabric of Pakistani society. ``Terrorist organisations were given permission by America to operate here. Pakistan is virtually under American occupation now. From Jacobababad to Pasni, America rules.``
``My struggle continues to be for justice. A father, when he goes to sleep at night, should be confident that his children will have enough food to eat the next day, that they will have a future. My struggle continues to be for socialism. You can call it Islamic socialism, or democratic socialism as in the Scandinavian countries, or anything. I still believe in the revolution, in a society that provides justice for all, not denies it because someone is a Hindu or a Bheel. I still want a change in society so that no one goes to sleep hungry.``
This tall, straight-backed man with the steady gaze has had his share of personal tragedies: a young grand-daughter`s husband killed by dacoits, an infant great grand-daughter drowned, the untimely death in 1983 of his son-in-law Asomal Pohu, who was also a comrade-in-arms, and the biggest blow of all last year, the death of his only son Kanaya, a medical doctor who had hepatitis-C. Gianchandani sold his precious library, for half the price originally offered some years ago by the Ministry of Culture, to pay for Kanaya`s medical treatment. This extensive collection of rare books is now in the Shahnawaz Bhutto Library in Larkana.
``I kept some children`s books for my grandson, and some 3000 books that had gone for binding. All the rest are gone. My collection of pre-Independence books, books on Communism and Socialism, all my editions of the Quran, I told them, take these, but treat them with respect. Here, they are properly kept in cupboards and treated with respect, don`t mistreat these books. I still read the Quran every day. All my editions of the Bhagwad Gita... they told me, hide these. I said no, nothing to hide,`` he says in his straightforward way. ``In fact, that`s my mission in Karachi, to collect more books and build up my library again.``
(ends)
__________________________________________________________-
Sobho: the struggle continues
By Beena Sarwar
Had he been a bit younger, Sobho Gianchandani might have been contesting the forthcoming elections on an independent platform from his hometown Larkana. But at 83, the veteran activist and lawyer now limits his political activities to attending seminars and gatherings. This summer, for example, has seen him in Hyderabad, Larkana, Karachi, and Jamshoro, despite the intense heat, on the invitation of those for whom he has long been an inspiration and a symbol of commitment to leftist politics and Sindh.
When after about twelve years of dictatorship, Pakistan returned to electoral politics in 1988, Gianchandani took the plunge into the electoral fray, contesting on a seat reserved for non-Muslims under the separate electorate system imposed by Gen. Ziaul Haq. Although in principle opposed to the separate electorate system, he felt that was the only way he could get into the assemblies. He won, but the results were `reversed` after having been announced. A court case followed, which lingered on until the dissolution of the assemblies in 1990 ushered in a caretaker government and fresh elections.
By that time, he already had almost half a century of political involvement under his belt, having started out during the Quit India movement in 1942. Then still a student at the S.C. Shahani Law College (now S.M. Law College) in Karachi, he soon found himself in jail, the first of many such incarcerations. On being freed in 1945, an unrepentant Gianchandani joined the communist Party, and became a leading member.
``I fought for the freedom of Sindh, which included Larkana. I fought the British.`` This struggle was in line with the policy of the communist Party ``to support the struggle of the backward Muslim nationalities for nationhood.`` Young Gianchandani, born to a Hindu family in the village of Bhindee near Mohenjodaro, joined in that struggle with an undying commitment.
But the new state of Pakistan was not sympathetic to such politics, and he was imprisoned again in 1948. Told to leave for India or be prepared to die in jail, Gianchandani refused. He was released in 1952, but then again arrested and jailed (1954-55) after the communist Party was banned two years later. In 1957 he joined Karachi University to study law, but his politics led to another arrest, this time resulting in a five-year confinement at Bhindee (1958-64). During that period he threw himself into agriculture, and ``became an excellent farmer``, as he recalls with some satisfaction. The next year, when India and Pakistan went to war, he was jailed again, for three months this time.
He has humorously referred to himself as a three-headed monster: a Sindhi, a communist, and a Hindu -- each an anathema for the Pakistani authorities. In his own family, he remains an oddity, a Hindu who refuses to pander to the `choot chaat` of the caste system. ``When the rag-pickers come to our door, I give them water in my own glass.``
In 1968, Gianchandani made another bid at completing his studies, joining Kazi Fazulullah Law College, Larkana. He finished the course in two years, and began teaching constitutional and international law there. ``I came into civil and criminal law later,`` he says, conjecturing that today, he is probably the oldest practicing member of the Sindh High Court. (``I don`t take new cases though``.)
A vociferous reader, he continues to build up an already extensive knowledge of history and politics, vocally opposing military rule and arbitrary changes to the constitution, advocating a swift return to democracy and peaceful relations with the neighbouring countries. However, he concedes that some of the steps taken by the present military government have been positive, like the abolishment of the hated separate electorate. ``Now there are constituencies where the Hindu or Christian vote will matter,`` he says. ``Before, if a Hindu girl ran away with someone, her family would have to go to the Hindu representative in the assembly if they needed his intervention, no matter if they lived in Larkana and he was in Lahore.``
Gianchandani`s nationalistic consciousness was first jolted awake when he went to Bengal, to do his BA at the famous learning center, Shantiniketan, founded by Rabindranath Tagore near Calcutta. The years (1939-41) spent at that sophisticated and cosmopolitan environment were an eye-opener for the village boy from Sindh, who had travelled across the sub-continent by train; the general disparagement about his ethnic background, including the astonishment of Tagore himself that Sindh had sent across this intelligent young fellow, stirred up pride for his heritage. But Sobho Gianchandani is no bigot.
Some years ago, when he was invited to give a lecture tour in the USA and applied for a visa, the American ambassador expressed an interest in meeting this man on whom they had a file several inches thick. ``He asked me, `Do you want Sindhu Desh?` I said no. I want maximum autonomy for Sindh within the Pakistani federation,`` recalls Gianchandani. ``Mengal accused me in London of being an anti-Punjabi. I told him, no. I am not. Just as there are good people everywhere, there are many in the Punjab too. Our comrades in the Punjab, people like Ahmed Salim, Abdullah Malik and others, they have always stood by us and supported the struggle of the oppressed people for justice.``
Nor, he asserts categorically is his quarrel ``with the Americans or with the mullahs,`` although he is openly critical of the role played by both in destroying the social fabric of Pakistani society. ``Terrorist organisations were given permission by America to operate here. Pakistan is virtually under American occupation now. From Jacobababad to Pasni, America rules.``
``My struggle continues to be for justice. A father, when he goes to sleep at night, should be confident that his children will have enough food to eat the next day, that they will have a future. My struggle continues to be for socialism. You can call it Islamic socialism, or democratic socialism as in the Scandinavian countries, or anything. I still believe in the revolution, in a society that provides justice for all, not denies it because someone is a Hindu or a Bheel. I still want a change in society so that no one goes to sleep hungry.``
This tall, straight-backed man with the steady gaze has had his share of personal tragedies: a young grand-daughter`s husband killed by dacoits, an infant great grand-daughter drowned, the untimely death in 1983 of his son-in-law Asomal Pohu, who was also a comrade-in-arms, and the biggest blow of all last year, the death of his only son Kanaya, a medical doctor who had hepatitis-C. Gianchandani sold his precious library, for half the price originally offered some years ago by the Ministry of Culture, to pay for Kanaya`s medical treatment. This extensive collection of rare books is now in the Shahnawaz Bhutto Library in Larkana.
``I kept some children`s books for my grandson, and some 3000 books that had gone for binding. All the rest are gone. My collection of pre-Independence books, books on Communism and Socialism, all my editions of the Quran, I told them, take these, but treat them with respect. Here, they are properly kept in cupboards and treated with respect, don`t mistreat these books. I still read the Quran every day. All my editions of the Bhagwad Gita... they told me, hide these. I said no, nothing to hide,`` he says in his straightforward way. ``In fact, that`s my mission in Karachi, to collect more books and build up my library again.``
(ends)
#26 Posted by mr.x on September 28, 2002 6:48:20 am
Let us be enlightned about Decmoractic dictatorship of worthy politicians like b.b. and navaz who have now ganged up. Crying hoarse for the constitution takes you nowhere.None shed a tear when Navaz left for ksa to establish steel mill there. bb is busy in counting her dollars and giving semons on democracy.After daughter of East , the nation missed Madre-Millat , kulsum navaz.
#25 Posted by ferozk on September 28, 2002 6:48:20 am
Re:Temporal, Sadna and Jay
Sadna, if you see this post, please note that I was sick the last few days and hence, could not leave a reply to your and Jay`s post. I will try to answer your in the Hoodbhoy article/thread as soon as I can...also, give the same message to Jay, if possible. Thanks! :)
Temporal, send me an email, when you have the time, I have an idea for a Chowk article, which I would like to discuss with you...
Ciao
Sadna, if you see this post, please note that I was sick the last few days and hence, could not leave a reply to your and Jay`s post. I will try to answer your in the Hoodbhoy article/thread as soon as I can...also, give the same message to Jay, if possible. Thanks! :)
Temporal, send me an email, when you have the time, I have an idea for a Chowk article, which I would like to discuss with you...
Ciao
#24 Posted by nasah on September 27, 2002 6:58:33 pm
Thanks temporal -- I voted.
the vote against Bush`s Iraq policy is running 75% against -- amazing!
the vote against Bush`s Iraq policy is running 75% against -- amazing!
#23 Posted by arjun_m on September 27, 2002 4:01:52 pm
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#21 Posted by harimau on September 27, 2002 7:51:16 am
Ref 12-Head #17
[No mention here, of course, of the privileges enjoyed by the majority community, the best example being the tax advantages conferred on Hindu Undivided Families.]
Before you quote the ``Anti-Hindu``, why don`t you tell us exactly how many joint undivided Hindu families exist today and how many millions of rupees of taxes have been legally avoided?
Even the Birlas have divided their companies among the grandchildren of GD Birla. India`s business magazines are full of stories about how every single industrial house has been broken up because of intra-family squabbles.
By the way, doesn`t the Uniform Civil Code mean the abolition of the favorable tax treatment of the Hindu Undivided Family? Or, is that too difficult a concept for your puny brain to grasp?
[No mention here, of course, of the privileges enjoyed by the majority community, the best example being the tax advantages conferred on Hindu Undivided Families.]
Before you quote the ``Anti-Hindu``, why don`t you tell us exactly how many joint undivided Hindu families exist today and how many millions of rupees of taxes have been legally avoided?
Even the Birlas have divided their companies among the grandchildren of GD Birla. India`s business magazines are full of stories about how every single industrial house has been broken up because of intra-family squabbles.
By the way, doesn`t the Uniform Civil Code mean the abolition of the favorable tax treatment of the Hindu Undivided Family? Or, is that too difficult a concept for your puny brain to grasp?
#20 Posted by temporal on September 27, 2002 7:51:15 am
apologise for using this board: following may interest some choksters
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#19 Posted by nasah on September 26, 2002 9:44:53 pm
dos-mitter sahib -- indeed Chief Musharraf thinks that -- by putting all his eggs in American basket -- all his five fingers are in ghee ---- his Indians are at bay -- and his politicians are in a dog house -- and his throne is personally gaurded by General Rumsy.
hence the ever increasing imbecile arrogance
But he is divinely delusional and congenitally concieted -- if he thnks -- it`s not all MAYA.
when the going gets tough for miaN Musharraf -- the American toughs won`t get going --
as the history of American promiscuity with regard to sleeping with ANY dictator suggests --
they will drop him lik a bad smelly egg with pinched noses -- just like that --
Mr. Musharraf will be a muhrless divorcee in a flash -- by only one `Tilaq diya` -- not three.
as Banjara sahib would like to remind Bey JahaaN Panaah Musharraf:
``sub thaaath paRaa ruh jawe gaa jub laad chalegaa banjara``...
hence the ever increasing imbecile arrogance
But he is divinely delusional and congenitally concieted -- if he thnks -- it`s not all MAYA.
when the going gets tough for miaN Musharraf -- the American toughs won`t get going --
as the history of American promiscuity with regard to sleeping with ANY dictator suggests --
they will drop him lik a bad smelly egg with pinched noses -- just like that --
Mr. Musharraf will be a muhrless divorcee in a flash -- by only one `Tilaq diya` -- not three.
as Banjara sahib would like to remind Bey JahaaN Panaah Musharraf:
``sub thaaath paRaa ruh jawe gaa jub laad chalegaa banjara``...
#18 Posted by nasah on September 26, 2002 9:44:53 pm
dos-mitter sahib -- indeed Chief Musharraf thinks that -- by putting all his eggs in American basket -- all his five fingers are in ghee ---- his Indians are at bay -- and his politicians are in a dog house -- and his throne is personally gaurded by General Rumsy.
hence the ever increasing imbecile arrogance
But he is divinely delusional and congenitally concieted -- if he thnks -- it`s not all MAYA.
when the going gets tough for miaN Musharraf -- the American toughs won`t get going --
as the history of American promiscuity with regard to sleeping with ANY dictator suggests --
they will drop him lik a bad smelly egg with pinched noses -- just like that --
Mr. Musharraf will be a muhrless divorcee in a flash -- by only one `Tilaq diya` -- not three.
as Banjara sahib would like to remind Bey JahaaN Panaah Musharraf:
``sub thaaath paRaa ruh jawe gaa jub laad chalegaa banjara``...
hence the ever increasing imbecile arrogance
But he is divinely delusional and congenitally concieted -- if he thnks -- it`s not all MAYA.
when the going gets tough for miaN Musharraf -- the American toughs won`t get going --
as the history of American promiscuity with regard to sleeping with ANY dictator suggests --
they will drop him lik a bad smelly egg with pinched noses -- just like that --
Mr. Musharraf will be a muhrless divorcee in a flash -- by only one `Tilaq diya` -- not three.
as Banjara sahib would like to remind Bey JahaaN Panaah Musharraf:
``sub thaaath paRaa ruh jawe gaa jub laad chalegaa banjara``...
#17 Posted by Shah on September 26, 2002 7:05:08 pm
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#15 Posted by harimau on September 26, 2002 10:52:26 am
Ref Studebaker #11
[I have no problem EXCLUDING ALL pharmaceuticals .The payoff will be trillion$ to be invested in preventive medicine,home care ,nutrition ,& exercise like 5 times compulsory namaz....u think its crazy]
Man, you are the pill pusher here. If you don`t want to get paid for writing prescriptions, that is fine with me.
As to namaaz as exercise, may I pass? I don`t think the Saudis are all that healthy.
[I have no problem EXCLUDING ALL pharmaceuticals .The payoff will be trillion$ to be invested in preventive medicine,home care ,nutrition ,& exercise like 5 times compulsory namaz....u think its crazy]
Man, you are the pill pusher here. If you don`t want to get paid for writing prescriptions, that is fine with me.
As to namaaz as exercise, may I pass? I don`t think the Saudis are all that healthy.
#14 Posted by khamkhwa on September 26, 2002 10:07:27 am
arjun_m,
Bhai arjun,
You are always right about Pakistanis and I am extremely impressed with your profound knowledge of that country and its people.But here you are being unfair to Pakistan. Mr Shah aka 12-head with 30 different nicks is an Indian.If you are intrested, proof can be provided on request.Now that it has been cleared,would you APOLOGISE to Pakistanis ?
Regards.
Bhai arjun,
You are always right about Pakistanis and I am extremely impressed with your profound knowledge of that country and its people.But here you are being unfair to Pakistan. Mr Shah aka 12-head with 30 different nicks is an Indian.If you are intrested, proof can be provided on request.Now that it has been cleared,would you APOLOGISE to Pakistanis ?
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