What is Islam?

Yaaro – what’s going on – an INQUISITION of Shanker the Bhayankar -- some sort of blasphemy trial of apostate shanker al hindi –

one by one all my dear friends and brethren are lining up to cast stones on satan S -- or something -- at Mount Chowk!!

but seems like-- the shrink has no intention of shrinking –

folks if -- shanker sounds so bhayanker to you guys – just IGNORE him – or ATTACK him in the same anatomically correct orificially proper language as lady sadna did ---- and forget about him.

and I am not that ‘certain gentlman’ who is egging shanker -- my friend satyavadi ji -- I am NOT the chowk police of morality and decency -- I am NOT maulana naqshbandi sahib-- please --

I enjoy hamidm`s post immensely -- that`s one reason I stick around --and i enjoy shanker`s post equally -- they BOTH are hilariously funny -- yet dead serious as social critics.

And I DO subscribe to shanker`s magnificent EDICT -- if not the language --

{{its time we confess the bs on our own side, rather than get cheap thrills about the bs of the other side.”(shanker)}} --

I sincerely believe that if we all started taking care of our OWN garbage -- instead of pointing fingers at Other’s garbage -- this WORLD will be a much CLEANER place.

And please don`t tell ME only Islam is full of it -- and Hinduism is NOT.

and as far as PROFANITY is concerned it`s not the exclusive monopoly of shanker maharaj -- as sadna devi will attest to it – Chowk is definitely NOT Mother Teresa`s ashram –

so why this injured innocence!

Shankar,
another free advice
Compare your style to anNy and find why she, while writing equally bluntly, is a delight to read.

Re anNy, tahmed
The thing about sunshine in Alaska (and this from a friend who stayed there) is that it can get to be boring and monotonous after some time.....just like...
oh well cheers and all that
boringly yours
Subroto
chowk`s resident dimwit

anNy #247 to shankar:
``u are like sunshine in alaska``
Ditto that.
``thumbs uppingly``
Heh! Heh!

shankar #245

``For the time you & I have been on Chowk, I`ve put up with your boring, monotonous ramblings ...``

Many will say this for you, oh worshipper of pennls-god!!.

``Trouble is, I looove to mess with super-sensitive nutjobs like you. ...``

Oh yes, let us see that. Tell us first, what is your intention behind cyber-rakhis.... what hidden desire of yours is leading you to that behavior

from friend #230 on the ANAL NARCISSIST Shankar:

[[[[I think you wanted to say ``crass`` rather than ``facetious``. I personally find Sadna`s posts mostly based on some hard facts and logical argument. As far as Shankar`s jokes are concerned, any bus conductor or driver in Haryana Roadways can crack more vulgar and funny jokes.
As shrink is happy to analyze everyone else, let me try to analyze him. He is an older version of YLH (I must concede, YLH appears to have changed), totally enamored with himself and his self image. YLH was hiding himself behind Jiye Jinnah, Jiye Bhutto and all the mumbo jumbo. Shankar hides behind his penis god and vagina goddess jokes. He likes distributing Rakhi`s over Internet. And my experience says that people doing that are hiding a lust behind their rakhis.
When faced with an opposition to his views, he will not oppose opponent`s views. Rather, he will try to wave his degrees, make fun of opponent`s command of english, or his education, and if everything else fails, will enter the realm of crassness and crudeness.]]]]]

Everything I had wanted to say about that moron.

And a certain somebody on Chowk who fancied himself as the morality and decency police of Chowk, is egging this narcissistic moron. Ironies never cease.

shankar
u are like sunshine in alaska
thumbs uppingly
anNy

sadna devi,
#222

Thankyou! The downright contempt is mutual.

For the time you & I have been on Chowk, I`ve put up with your boring, monotonous ramblings with the very same contempt that you have put up with my irreverant, crass language. You come to Chowk with the same expression Clint Eastwood has in those spaghetti westerns....you know..like..``I have perpetually inflammed hemorhoids; so dont mess with me``...

Trouble is, I looove to mess with super-sensitive nutjobs like you. I`ll reserve my right to needle you..Please feel free not to respond to me...like thats going to drive me to suicide-NOT!!

Mr. akhanusa

Welcome to the club of rationalists. Your extremely scientific views are laudable Sir. Sir, the existence of Lord Ram is as true as the existence of King Solomon or Moses or the fact that Prophet(pbuh) indeed rose to heaven from Al-Aqsa mosque. Poor jews inspite of being so intelligent are also stuck with their wailing walls. To your superior intelligence, eating pork is forbidden since God said this to Prophet himself (scientific evidence please) but the existence of Lord Ram is surely in doubt since your majesty says so. I bow to your superior ``revealed`` knowledge and ask your forgiveness for having questioned your ``True`` convictions based on ``The Book``. Of course the ``evidence``(if it is permissible) that Lord Ram was born in Ayodhya as written in Ramayana entirely unacceptable as it is a false book and the only true book is ``The Book``. O Allah, O Jesus, O Eeshwar, I was following a false religion up till now; praise be to angel Khan for my spiritual awakening. May I suffer in the most fearful Kumbheepak nark till eternity for this unforgivable sin...

Admiringly yours

Anarayan

``1. Hanuman leapt 500 miles southwards from the southern tip of India to reach Lanka. SriLanka is only 50 miles or so I believe.

2. Ravana`s Lanka was situated ON the equator.
``

Incidentally the word used in Ramayana for distance between southern tip of India and Lanka is ``100 yojan`` and not mile. Miles were not used as a measure of distance in ancient India. Secondly SriLanka is actually close to equator(8 deg North of equator, I believe). You can, of course, talk about the ``leaping`` part, but that I believe is a figure of speech, a charcterristic of most of the religious texts including Quran, Bible and Talmud, written in those days. Anyways I belive what one should gather from religion is the emphasis on moral values and virtues and should be wary of using them as a substitute of science or trying to prove their scientific validity.

Dost-Mittar and anarayan

``Narg is somewhat complicated. There at least 80,000 (or 800,000) of them. Depending on the quality and quantity of your sins...you will be assigned one.
``
If you are the THE SINNER, then you would be assigned to the most fearful of all, Raurav nark. The torture to your soul in this nark exceeds any human description. I am afraid that my any attempt to describe the tortures would slash down the readership of Chowk by half. The good thing is that your assignment to swarg or nark depends upon your Karmas or deeds and not your faith. And then there is Kumbheepak nark. Again I am afraid if I start describing the agonies the poor soul goes through in this nark, the pregnant women will have miscarriages, small kids will become insomniac, and the old men suffering from incurable cancer will refuse to die. And once you have completed the stipulated duration of your stay in narks proportional to your sins, you are required to go through the cycle of rebirths in the lower forms of life as animals and plants before your soul is completely purified and deemed fit to take rebirth as homo sapiens sapiens.

Subroto,

``Religion being more of an incidental factor in my life (being born into one...``

It IS hard to be simple!

Most of the hard-core religionists make out like immediately after coming out of their mother`s tummies they headed straight for the library...where they spent the next 5 years in deep study of the world`s religions...and then (and ONLY then) they `decided` to adopt their present religion!!!
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``...to be dissing on one`s own religion is now the new benchmark for being confident of one`s self.``

I think the sensible man/women should let speculations (like God, religion, etc) rest VERY LIGHTLY on their minds, especially in this modern world.

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rsridhar,

``BTW, recently, NASA satellite mapped the Adam`s bridge between India and Srilanka and experts believe that the configuration of the dam points out to it being man-made.``

Just curious.
How do you explain these two items below:

1. Hanuman leapt 500 miles southwards from the southern tip of India to reach Lanka. SriLanka is only 50 miles or so I believe.

2. Ravana`s Lanka was situated ON the equator.

????

To be honest I am a little disappointed by what has happened on this board...to be dissing on one`s own religion is now the new benchmark for being confident of one`s self. But the wise old men on this site have spoken. Religion being more of an incidental factor in my life (being born into one but not really practising any), but having always been considerate of the feelings of others I normally stay away from such discussions.
Egoistic interactors tend to rub me the wrong way and the response to that has always been one of humour (or so I hope). That is the reason the Roachistan movement started and that is why Nawab the dog speaks his mind out to me. Dietry habits of others are just what they are - seen enough hindus eating beef and muslims eating pork - so as to be impressed by the loudmouth louts so proclaim this fact from roof tops. Reminds me of the college days when certain first time drinkers eager to impress state ``mainnay to beer bhi pee hai`` ho hum. Something I noticed with another person I knew - he had a habit of pointing his parents to friends who visited his house stating ``see that ugly woman - thats my mother`` or that ``short baldy is my father``. Same technique is used to deflect criticism and hide insecurities, but unfortunately considered as confidence.
Samina & TAhmed 2 poster who admire - but seems have opposite views on this point . Samina find these posts funny u must but u had obejcts to Urstruely`s language at one pint too - so is Sadna so reviled that its funny here?
The issue here is not of censorship - but speaking our mind out. I respect ur right to diss any religion u want to but at the same time respect my right to call u CRAPOLA too, after all if it smells like shit and talks shit then it must be shanker.

re: #206 by shankar

``Keep it up, ya goddamned heeng-eating dhoti-clads! Soon you`ll FORCE me to convert to Islam.``
Shankarbhai,
relax. Most of us know by now that people like Arjun_m, jay are prejudiced. They, like the rest of us, are only giving an opinion. An opinion is just an opinion unless it is backed by knowledge or hard evidence. In the case of these 2 gentlemen, matters are made worse by the fact that they are so much prejudiced to start with.
We Indians need to realise that our fight is not with Pakistanis but with certain ideologies that are detrimental to both Indians and Pakistanis. Such idelogies like Religious fundamentalism includesHindutva as well as Islamic variety), Army rule (or misrule) in Paksitan etc. People like Jay make the mistake of equating people with idelogies they stand for. We can hate bad policies or bad ideologies but we cannot hate people. British imperialism was bad but were the british themselves evil? I think not.
BTW, what the heck is an Hindian? That expression is new to me.
Sridhar

re:#215 by Pankaj
Pankaj,
You are right on dot about Shasthartha. Religious debates in India in the past were settled thr` discourses. In this regard, the kind of interaction Buddhism and Sanatana Dharma had for a thousand years (700 BC to 700 AD) is instructive. There was never any bloodshed. Both debated their viewpoint openly. Buddhism lost out to SD in the end because of some very great spiritual leaders like Adi Sankara, Madhavacharya. But there never was any violence between the 2 communities. Buddha has been accepted as one of hindu deities and is revered by millions of hindus even today.
Compare this to the interaction of christianity versus Islam right from the days of the crusades. It has always been a saga of bloodshed and violence. That saga continues to this day.
sridhar

re:#221 by akhanusa
My friend,
Only one mosque was destroyed (AFAIK) in India. Look at the trouble BJP has gotten itself into for this single act of lunacy! It is losing everywhere (latest being in J and K) and will most certainly lose the next general election.
So, there is a mechanism to punish politicians in India. It is time tested and it works. It is called democracy. It is smelly, chaotic but, as i said before, it works.
If i were a Pakistani, i would worry more about where my country is heading right now. A fundamentalist party has gained a lot of votes and will get to call shots in Baluchistan and NWFP. Are the minorities safe in Pak today? Mosques in India are safe but are the temples safe in Pakistan? I would be bothered by these questions if i were a patriotic Pakistani.
Sridhar