Myopic, Malevolent, Megalomaniac

dear sameer:

I cannot believe the results -- even Zia could not do the way this man has harmed Pakistan --

he makes me so mad --

I think this is exactly the outcome -- this self-serving self-promoting selfish -- power hungry Geneal -- was aiming at -- by dividing the country, weakening and splintering its political institutions -- use the fundos against BB -- and the Quislings against NS -- all in order to continue his personal despotic rule unchallenged.

now one can understand why he deliberately kept the secular mainstream parties at bay -- and allowed the Jihadis to have a free hand -- just to achieve his nefarious objectives -

in this he is hundred times worse than Zia --

at least Zia was honest about his Islamization -- not devious like this creep.

As we try to remain consistent in our opinions in the face of ever changing circumstances, our ability to do so tests our intelligence. Some can keep up, some can stand strong, others will dance to any tune they are told to dance to feigning innocence of seeing any difference in their stances. These are the imposters.


I’m glad PTI’s chief Imran Khan won. For those of you who continue to insist he is an airhead need to hear him out a few times. You will understand that he has the strongest characters amongst the politicians. He has made mistakes – like pinning hopes on pre-referendum Musharaf. But he had to learn the hard way that the god damned army of the Islamic republic of Pakistan is nothing more than worthless stale sht.

For his disobedience toward the parasites of Pakistan (the army), the government released a loan defaulter and gave him a sarkari league ticket so that he could run for the election and help defeat Imran Khan. That was another reason Imran became so incensed during the last month or so against the government and it’s supporting band of ass-cleaning lotas (ie Chaudhary Shujaat Hussain).

The PTI website was filled with incidents of how the government had planned the pre-poll rigging (the government didn’t need to alter anything during the ballots, as everything had already been done prior to the election date).

A PTI worker was arrested, tortured, killed in custody and dumped into the Indus river prior to the election.

These incidents of harassment go to show how the government was intent upon keeping PTI out. Check PTI’s website and prior Dawn articles for various incidents on pre-poll rigging. But despite it all, the great Khan squeezed through. For me, this was the most positive outcome of the election.

But then I hear this fauji lover Romair personality belaboring on how PTI is ‘my party’. WTF.

We see before our eyes, Romair dancing to any fauji tune that is played feigning innocence of it’s murderous intentions and then claiming he is a firm supporter of the very party his fuking faujiz were intent on keeping out by rigging, and selectively releasing criminals to make it’s leader lose.

Perhaps that is how it goes in politics. One can like a political party, and sleep with it’s enemy at the same time. But since most people are not fools, those who play this version of a double dating game should not try to convince others of their virtuous intentions.

Imposters are easy to spot. Especially when they show up, clad in Khakis.

But that said,
SaDa Imran, aavay-e-aavay!!

SameerJB:
In response to your post #9.

Kaiser Bengali writes well.
The myth of fauji stability is false. The faujis can only remain in power with the help of the west on one hand while abusing the people of Pakistan on the other.

On speaking to various small business owners trying to survive and prosper in Pakistan (as i was also checking out some business prospects), there was one opinion that stood out amongst them. That of having set standards.

If one has had to go through the utterly useless, inefficient hassles of running a business (from A-Z: from filing papers to register a firm to annual tax issues) in that part of the world, one can understand the desire for basic standards and guidelines that would make life a whole lot easier. But what we see instead is less and less stability.

The parasitic faujiz have done everything in their power to destabalize the country so that uncertainty remains the order of the day. The faujiz do this in the name of the people of Pakistan, whom I have perceived to want stability (which comes with basic standards and guidelines relevant to all) above all else as far as politics is concerned. Because there is little faith in the government providing them with anything else.

The only way that stability can be achieved is through independent institutions. By creating new guidelines and standards at every corner, the Faujiz have effectively insured that no institution can ever be independent.

Hm, lets see... PML-Quisling with 64 seats. Lets give them.. heck, lets go all the way and give them ALL the remaining seats.. about 12. Total 76. Out of 272. Well, lets give them all the independents, too, as happy little neo-Quislings. Another 20. 96. Lets give them all the `Others`. 12. 108. Well, at least we`re in 3 figures. Lets throw in the NA - 12. 120. Now we`re cooking. Add a dollop of MQM, since all Mutters stick together! 10 seats, 130. Almost at 50%.. oh, dang, we`ve run out of options. We`re left with the PPPP, Nawazis and Beards.
Now, if you wanted to point out scary things, that would be the statement from a Q spokesman saying `We have no problem with religious parties`. Musharraf does, though. For the Q`s to ally with the MMA would be going against the gov`s wishes. And hey, that means both the Q and their major partners, the MMA, would be antiMusharrafites! Next thing you know, we`ve got uniformed bodies hanging from lamposts and Sameer, Temporal and co doing a Gene Kelly!
Ah, well, good for me that I don`t bother to read the Nation..

Sorry to post another article from today`s Nation daily. What a worth reading, sarcastic stuff this gentleman has written. Absolutely loved it. I must save it to read again later.

What a change!
Amar Jaleel
General Pervez Musharraf`s advent on political horizon of Pakistan on the ominous night of 10/12 was not meaningless. He laboured ceaselessly for a couple of days less than three years to give this country a guideline for neo-democratic political culture in Pakistan. Remember he reluctantly took over the country and that too in the larger interest of the nation on 10/12. He had no intention to end up in the political soup. He is a soldier and likes to be at the frontiers of the country. But, on the mysterious night of the generals he was left with no choice but to return from the frontiers and to occupy the political abode. The destiny was operative behind his every move.
No political pundit or a cynic realised that the professional General was an authority on politics. How did a professional soldier master the mysteries of politics is still an enigma! A nitwit thinks if a general can play games with politics then why can`t a professor of political science gamble with a gun! Does it make any difference!
The results of the azadana, munsifana, and shifaf elections of 10/10 have established the political sagacity of General Pervez Musharraf. What a wonderful political acumen he is gifted with! Many nitwits wonder instead of armed forces he ought to have been in politics. He has brought about changes in the constitution that no one before him thought were necessary for the political stability in the country.
With sustained motivational campaigns through media the General prepared the nation for amazing change in the political scenario. The masses with their enthusiasm in the elections of 10/10 outnumbered the turnout of the voters in the doomed elections of 1970. Not that the elections of 1970 were engineered, and the results were manipulated! No, not at all. The general elections of 1970 were the fairest elections in the history of Pakistan. The people of Pakistan saw the emergence of two most popular and powerful political leaders in the country. Shaikh Mujibur Rahman and Zulfikar Ali Bhutto rose as undisputed leaders of East Pakistan and West Pakistan respectively. General Yahya Khan was then the supreme ruler of Pakistan. He was immersed in the things reflected against him in the Hamoodur Rahman report. He was utterly incompetent to handle the two fiery leaders, one from East Pakistan and other from West Pakistan. The drunk General was thoroughly incorrigible. He badly muddled up the enigmatic political situation that ultimately resulted in the disintegration of Pakistan in 1971.
The turnout in the Thursday`s elections of 10/10 was massive. That reflected people`s faith in General Pervez Musharraf`s political wisdom. The younger educated political lot that has come to the fore is heart warming. It augments the promised change in the political scenario. They are all graduates. Isn`t it a guarantee in itself that the new lot of the younger politicians would not indulge in corrupt practices!
Among the graduate MNAs and MPAs none comes from the dreaded families of the Jagirdars, Waderas, Choudhries, Khans and the Sardars. None among them is a scion of the industrial tycoons in the country. All of them are from down-to-earth families, therefore they know the problems of the ordinary people.
Henceforth, no SHO will huddle up your old mother, ailing father, daughter, sister, and wife in the Police Station to force you to surrender. The rural and urban roguish elite will not torment wretched of the earth. The street children will not look for a piece of loaf in the garbage dumps. They will not be violated in the garages, and the dark alleys. In the name of fashion shows and the catwalk women will not be toyed and enticed by media to entertain the lust of affluent male segment of the society. The great grandchildren will not be required to follow the lawsuits of their great grandfathers pending for justice in the courts for the last one hundred years. The justice will be dispensed with quickly and judiciously. Jesus will not go to the gallows in place of Moses.
The era of great change has begun. General Pervez Musharraf has fulfilled his promise of 10/10. What a wonderful transformation of a society! Had I not been affected by the great global change I would not have used the figurative icon 10/10 for the elections of October 10, 2002.

CONVERGENCE IN PAKISTAN,

The emergence of jihadic parties is the frution of a policy set for the military by zia. The jihadic parties for decades have been nurtured by the military to support the afghan and kashmir policies.

The support for the Us action in afghanistan by the military is not a policy shift, rather it has been forced on them by the US. At last in the name of democracy, the military can whole heartedly support the jihadists.

In this context one has to note the posts by field marshal where he askes for sameer to respect the people verdict.

The good part is for the first time there is a convergence in the views of the military and the politicians. Instead of viewing the outcome in pakistan as a success for the military, some are viewing this as an unintended outcome for the military.

It is time for pakistanis to rejoice and for india and the world to take steps towards iraquisation of pakistan. Islamic bomb and the infrastructure in jihadic hands will make the 911 look like a new year fireworks.

Assad_K: The current results suggest that PML (Q) ia in a position to form governments at center and in Punjab keeping PPP (P), PML (N) and MMA out, because of practices similar to my previous two posts. According to Nation, Taj Mohammad Jamali from Balochistan is going to be the PM.
Romair: I am not surprised at you differing with me. What else is new?
I call it plans and you call them conspiracies. You trust Generals as just and honest and I do not. Just wait and read yourself what the Pakistani newspapers will be writing today, tomorrow and next few days. If you find some resemblances with my points in this piece, I assure you that it would be accidental.
You accept the way things are presented and I question the reason behind them, perhaps because we both have different kinds of training. In sciences ``yes sir`` does not work, reasoning and rationale work. Ask temporal, if I predicted the wrong person to win Nobel Peace prize this year, based on my conspiratorial (?) thinking.

Here is a sample of what is going on right now. Humayun Akhtar is billionaire sone of a former honest General, Akhtar Abdul Rehman who was killed in plane crash alongwith Zia. He was considered the mastermind behind Afghan war against Russians and popularized as ``Khamosh Mujahd``, though making enough money to make his sons industrial giants. This is from Nation daily.

Humayun wins in final count
By Our Staff Reporter
LAHORE–PML(QA) candidate from NA-125 Humayun Akhtar has won the election in the final count announced by the Election Commission.
For the City, it was the biggest surprise of the day as according to the late-night reports and results, Humayun had not only lost to PML(N) candidate Akram Zaki, but slipped behind even PPP candidate Naveed Chaudhry.
These results were announced by all the newspapers and TV channels.
However, in the final count Humayun won by a narrow margin, causing tumult in the political circles.
The PML leaders, Akram Zaki and Farakh Shah, termed the turnaround as part of pre-poll rigging.
They said the delay in the announcement of the results made it clear that some sort of underhand trickery has been going on to change the results .
The PML(N) will hold a protest meeting at Walton on Saturday (today) against the election results.
The PML(N) will hold a Press conference on the same theme the same day.

Dost-Mittar
One reason for the early gains by the MMA might have been early tallies from the places that they would be expected to make gains.. the NWFP plus/minus Baluchistan. Karachi, for its part, was a Jamaat vote bank until the advent of the MQM. Perhaps this result will make the QMers reflect upon their misdeeds of the past.
The result still looks like a dead heat betwixt the Quisling group and the Parliamentarians. Makhdoon Fahim is still favoured for the PM slot. Question is, would the Pipians and Leaguers be able to join together to form a government, hopefully leaving the MMA relatively in the cold. Or will the admin lean on the Quislings to ally with the MMA? I certainly hope not.
Tampering... probably was. And probably relatively minor. Everyone agrees that while a cobbled together, artificial creation, the Quisling group was nontheless made up of vote winners. Perhaps in a couple of places, officials inflated numbers. Unfortunate. Anyone remember the thousands of `disappeared` voters in the last US election?
People doubted the elections would occur. They happened. People said there would be coercion, etc. There wasn`t.
Conspiracy theories are usually that.. theories. Far better for Musharraf to have aranged an outright win for the MMA, no? Then he could have pulled an Algeria.
Blame my naivete, but I do think that things will get better. And I still think that Musharraf is NOT the megalomaniacal, malevolent entity the ultra-liberal elite choose to paint him as. Occasionally myopic, though..

From USA Today, indicating - for one thing - that an average 30% turnout is just that, an average..

Among the hitches:

* Villagers in Sangjani, most of them illiterate, struggled to understand how to mark the green paper ballots. ``They don`t know what they`re doing, these people,`` said an exasperated Saurriya Amjid, the election official presiding over the separate women`s polling station here. Her assistants patiently instructed villagers how to use the ballots. Turnout here was expected to exceed 50%. What the villagers want: clean water, electricity and better schools.

* Rizwan Ahmed, 28, arrived at the polls at an Islamabad public school Thursday morning only to be informed to his surprise that he had already voted. He alerted a group of journalists, who descended on the presiding election officer, demanding an explanation. Another voter overheard the ruckus and revealed that he, too, was named Rizwan Ahmed. The mess was quickly revealed as a case of confused identities. Election officials allowed both men`s votes -- for anti-Musharraf parties.

re: romair

{Sameer, you have a conspiracy theory for everything. This one is ridiculous. Please do not try to interject your prejudices into everything. At least do some research.}

...hehe...far from it...sameer`s posts are always logical and based on facts...yours are full of selective facts and some gol maal logic mixed in...

In India, after Seshan, the procedure is, the votes from polling booths are first brought to designated counting centres, mixed and then counted. This is for 2 reasons I presume. Firstly so that political parties cannot identify and declare vendettas on neighbourhoods which didnot vote for them and secondly, the counting process can be scrutinized better at fewer locations to prevent fraud.

In Pakistan reportedly the voting took place in 64,000? polling booths and counting also took place at every such polling booth. Any official explanation why?

Also, if the next elections are held in time, this verdict is not patthar ki lakeer.

THE BAASTARD IS DEFINITELY A CLOSET FUNDAMENTALIST.

Romair:

Yaar, all said and done how come there is such a big difference between yesterday`s tallies and todays results? this happened in front of our eyes...whole duniya cannot be made a chutiya of...kuch to ghapla kee hai.

Is there any website giving latest news???

I agree with your logic, but not the conclusion that the election results will be annuled. On the other hand a weak (hung) parliament, favors military, then why would they help create a realtively stronger parliament. And nothing is more threatening to them than the coalition of PML and PPP. If PPP and PML are both pro-USA, according to your logic, then why would USA need the despot. He will be out as soon as a PML-PPP coalition government is formed.

rozaiba: People trust Bb and NS more than other leaders for reasons. While the stock market performance, forex reserves and non-stop drumbeats of we-honest-they-corrupt bombards the eardrums, average voter looks accomplishments differently. They look at local level and more visible signs of a politician`s mark on the land. If one simply puts together number of development projects such as schools, colleges, universities, roads, bridges, village electrification, development of water resources, airports etc, the lopsidedness of all things good happening during civilian rules in Pakistan despite being ruled most of its existance by military dictators. The corruption, feudalism and other abuses of powers are given in a society where corruption and some sort of overlordship exists at all levels. For example Zia government did not do a single worth mentioning project during 11 years and despite more than 5 percent of average economic growth rate. Three days ago, a very good journalist, Qaiser Bengali wrote an article in Dawn comparing the economy and accomplishments of civilian and military governments including much poor-rated Z. A. Bhutto`s government. Try to read if from Dawn archives.
dost-mittar: Thanks for, as usual, exaggerated compliments. Once so much data is available for analysis with plenty of footprints of all intrgues, shot sightedness, rigging and tampering, putting together a typed page with size 10 fonts is not that difficult.
stuka: Despite all the pre-poll rigging, Kings` parties were not in a position to put together a government at center and in Punjab and Sindh provinces. Simply plotting a graph of hour by hourprojections during vote counting clearly reveals big time post-poll tampering with ballot boxes in Punjab. The steady plots of PPP (P) and PML (N) took abrupty sharp negative turn after about half of the vote counts. It was more selective against PML (N) who saw their lead in 42 seats down to 21. The situation is worse in Punjab assembly where PNL (Q) numbers went up from 75 to 120 seats. This coincided with total shut down of constant stream of prgression of vote count until the final tally for each constituency was announced. It is not easy to conclude that the progressive counting outcome was sugesting a possibility of PPP (P) and PML (N) coalition gaining majority at center and in Punjab province whereas PPP (P) could have put together a government with independents in Sindh province. However, after official results from Election Comission, it looks possible now to exclude PPP (P), PML (N) and MMA and still form majority under PML (Q) leadership at the center and in Punjab whereas PPP (P) could be excluded in Sindh provicial government also. When the stakes are this high, the tipping of balance with fraudulent results is predictable from authorities that made every efforts in the last three years to keep PPP and PML (N) out of power.
For example, your buddy Ayaz Amir of Dawn was winning handsomely in Chakwal on PML (N) ticket until a blackout of further counting was applied. Then after 6 hours of balckout of unofficial counting, his opponent of PML (Q) was declared winner by a margin of 1000 votes. Now since Ayaz Amir won 69,000 votes, his opponent was awarded 70,000 votes making the overall turnout artificially passing 60 percent in his constituency when the nationwide turnout is between 15-30 percent. Samething happened in Kasur where Khurshed Mahmood Kasuri was declared winner by a 1000 votes despite losing all day of counting.
Even within Sarkari party, PML (Q) tremendous deep intrigue is so obvious from the results. A particular baradri or tribal affiliation, Jats were made winners more often and their traditional tribal based opponents within PML (Q), AraiNs were made to lose all over including the party chief Mian Azhar. The Jat rut was made possible under the leadership of Chaudhrys of Gujrat in collaboration of Musharraf`s Principal secretary, Punjab Chief Secretary, Punjab Election Comissioner and many other high Jat officials. The PML (Q) winners in Punjab Assemby are predominantly Jats and PML (Q) losers in Punjab assembly are mostly AraiN and other tribal identities.
faisaluno: Thanks for your supportive comments.