Myopic, Malevolent, Megalomaniac

Shut up, Musharraf tells EU

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_85223,00050002.htm
//....The EU observers team chief, John Cushnahan, released a scathing report on Saturday of last week`s general elections, calling them ``deeply flawed`` and attacking constitutional changes announced by Musharraf in August.//

....Mushy Boy is growling like a caged dog. Even biting the hand that feeds him. What happens when Paris Club won`t through bones any more.

Ref sac #109

[P.S: Maulana Noorani is fluent in 12 languages including German and French. Wonder who he talks to?]

Aren`t all these guys taking their instructions directly from God Himself? But then, Arabic should be sufficient for a conversation with Allah.

sac,

I think it was Time magazine`s comment on the Indian PM, Narashima Rao:

``He speaks 12 languages, but doesnt say much in any of them!``:)

re ROmair #89:

Seems this guy will never shut up.

Who is not accepting the success the MMA has had? Creating imaginary opponents seems to be an essential ingredient of the Kakul curriculum......

What does land reforms in the NWFP mean? Name 3 so-called `feduals` in the NWFP. Can somebody please explain to me what does the oft-repeated term `land reforms` means? Who is going to be the great reformer who`ll come up with this magical potion that will solve all of our problems?

The MMA has won in its traditional strongholds of Karachi, Lahore and NWFP. Whats the big deal? The feudals left in the playing arenas of Sind and Punjab have won as in the past. Sameer and I have always commented on the feudals ability to act as a bulwark against the fundos. Nothing new there either.

The field marshal and equally deluded idiots on this site have always came out with the 5% votebank argument the fundamentalists have enjoyed in the past. What they forget is that 5% always votes. That argument will hopefully not be repeated. Apart from pockets of urban Pakistan, the rest of the country is deeply religious and getting more so due to the failure of other alternatives.

MMA is composed of a bunch of muddleheads with deep ideological differences who`ll be at each others throats in no time. Their so-called manifesto will closely follow the pattern outlined by hamidm. It means more miseries for the women folk and the minorities(as if they needed any help...). That will be price the mythical common man will have to pay in 2010 to come back to the way he was in 2002. Their unfortunately is no shortcut. It has taken the Iranians a decade and a half to realize that the promised revolution has taken them nowhere. Pakistan and other Muslim countries will have to suffer at the hands of the Islamists till they take their pounds of flesh. The risk is that the patient has had too many surgeries already. Surgeons like the field marshal always want to remove the tumor without looking at alternative treatments or underlying causes.....

The most regrettable thing coming out of this fiasco is the root of the problem that lies with the army`s occupation of Pakistan. Well meaning individuals like Sameer and temporal will be sidetracked into these minor details while the monster continues to devour Pakistan.

later
-sac

P.S: Maulana Noorani is fluent in 12 languages including German and French. Wonder who he talks to?

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Romair,
#89

Nice post.
Why did`nt the ``villager from Bannu`` not vote for Imran Khan`s party?
I think he has always said the ``right`` things for a Pakistani politician--criticise the US bombing of Afghanistan, the need for Pakistanis to be closer to Islam in their pvt lives, but to keep religion out of politics, support the dominant discourse of Pakistani stand on Kashmir, criticise the feudals.. etc etc...

Why was`nt his message more appealing to the average voter? Granted, he did better than his last effort. However, if anybody should have filled the political vacuum that Mushy created by weeding out the ``undesirables``; his party should have. I mean, he even took pains not aligning himself to closely to the King or his party.

You seem to have spun his party`s performance as positive. I can spin it negatively...if he couldnt win now, when the heck could he win? when the maulvis dissappoint the villagers?

Ref Field Marshal #48

[Relgious parties, in all countries, are always more dangerous when they are out of power, than when they are in power...]

For a moment, I thought you are absolving the BJP of any blame but, true to form, you followed that statement with

[.... (unless they are the no. 1 party, and form the national govt as in the case of the BJP. - this hasn`t happened in Pakistan).]

So, the victory of MMA is the triumph of democracy in Pakistan but the victory of BJP is the rise of extremism?

By the way, Musharraf has again denounced the polls in Kashmir as ``farcical``. Do you think he meant that Pak election rules were not applied there, regarding disqualification of candidates?

By the way, what about election results from Azad Kashmir and the Northern Areas? You guys keep talking about the four provinces of Pakistan: Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan and NWFP. You mean to say that Indian Kashmiris must have the right of self-determination but not those under the thumb of Pakistan? As half a Kashmiri yourself, did you get half a vote or none at all?

naqshbandi

........ i am really impressed with maulana noorani`s credentials, specially the professorship at baghdad, but what has he really done ? ....... what did he accomplish as an MNA and what has he done for the people other than send poor young me to die in afghanistan and kashmir ............we might laugh at poor romair`s ``philanthrapist`` imran khan, but he has done a lot for the poor people of pakistan - and even though i think he is a political idiot, he continues to be the main beneficiary of my charity donations .......... what has the maulana done?

.............. but the big question is does the maulana believe in multi-party democracy or, like hassan turabi and the mad mullahs in iran, does he believe in one god, one party and one election ? ............ if you can assure me that he is a true democrat and not a momin who wants to establish allah`s kingdom by hook or crook, then i might consider overlooking the fact that he has sided with the horrible taliban, has called the murderer omar sheikh a mujahid and splashes water all over the plane toilet when flying first class on pia ................

.......... let`s not forget hitler was elected in 1933 and the rest is history ............

Zakk: Thanks for posting that article.

I agree, MMA has won and should govern. If they don`t govern well and people`s problems do not go away or get exacerbated, the logical thing is that people will vote them out next time.

Unless the people are really stoooopid and led to believe that MMA is governing fine, its just the secularists and the US/Jewish/India/Ahmedi/Shia conspiracy that is messing up people`s lives.

I for one, do not belive that Mullahs and Maulvis can solve any of the people`s problems... they can create many problems, generate frustration, threaten violence, fuel hatred, all by invoking their version of Islam- but visionary thinking, I don`t expect from them.

I would loved to be proved wrong.

temporal

............ do you really want me to write an article on the chowk? ......... sorry to disappoint you, but i don`t think i can do it ....... i couldn`t hold a coherent thought together for that long, and besides, who would put up with all those dots ............ it would be too hard and i really have nothing to say unless i have had three martinis too may and then at that point i don`t know what i am saying because i really don`t care what i am saying and sometimes i forget to put in the punctuation and that makes you mad and that in turn makes me sad because i really think that even though you are a rather anal grammararian you are an okay ..........

interesting article in the news today:

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/oct2002-daily/14-10-2002/main/main7.htm
MMA right to govern must not be denied

By Nusrat Javeed

ISLAMABAD: A peculiar group of armchair liberals from amongst the elitist crowd of Islamabad sounds desperate. It seriously believes that USA would just abandon us, if not bombing with B-52s, in case Muttehidda Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) of the religious-right of Pakistan is allowed to form the provincial government in NWFP.

Besides pushing Islamabad `back into diplomatic isolation,` we are told, Mullahs` inclusion in the central government will also discourage foreign investment in the country and `cancel out` all the good work, Shaukat Aziz has presumably done for turning the economy around with active inputs from World Bank etc during the three years of General Musharraf.

Our elitist crowd never approved General Musharraf`s idea of holding elections. Pakistan, they always believed, is yet not ready for a sophisticated system of `free for all democracy.` It needed `at least a-ten-year rule by a benevolent despot before returning to the luxury of electoral politics.`
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re: how Mushy boy lost Kashmir
http://www.sulekha.com/redirectnh.asp?cid=254058
Sridhar

teemporal: Thanks for your post. Basically all this discussion could have been under any of three articles - your`s, Saima Shah`s and this one. Actually this one is in support of ``Unraveling Pakistan``, providing additional and electioneering theatrical acrobats of military establishment and by overkilling mainstream political parties. I would not have thought of writing it if not for your`s and Saima Sha`s article. I even picked the title MMM after Saima Sha`s 3M title.
faisaluno #96: absolutely. I second your thoughts. Not that everybody else pays taxes honestly but maulvis contribute absolutely nothing to national exchequer. Honestly speaking they do not even have the justification to ask government to bring running water or toilets to their mosques and madaris, unless asked shamelessly in the name of serving religion. Poor people depend these services before mullahs.

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if the maulvi leaders are so concerned about the plight of people from bannu, why were they sending these people to afghanistan to be slaughtered by the thousands? and what will stop these mullahs from sending these people to kashmir where they will murder innocent hindus and muslims before getting crushed like insects at the hands of indian security forces? and how many of these mullahs will send their own kith and kiln to fight in these battles?

who has gained besides the rapacious army generals and mullahs with the continued turmoil in Kashmir and afghanistan? who will the generals turn to when they need a fresh bunch of brain washed zombies to go into battles that enables these generals to send their sons to study in the u.s? (dont think mqm will be lining it cadres to go into kashmir). why is it such a surprise that army will support groups that protect its economic interest? what was the creation of iji all about? why is this election any different?

With regards to the plight of the poor man from bannu, the reason he is in the state that he is in is because he comes from a culture that celebrates rape and plunder and looks down upon hard work. as long as he does not develop enough sense to challenge the dogma passed down to him from generations, he will continue to live a life his forefathers have lived for centuries.

NAQSHABANDI

whats the difference between a deobandi and a wahabi and are you one of those if so cool...........i have some hardcore wahabi friends that i tempt with drinking beer me i prefer islamic revolution along iranian lines im half persian u know


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