Jihad – The Misperceptions

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interesting to note that bangalis still cheer for pakistan when india plays pakistan at dhaka.

Is godot #40 is a new name for the hydra?! It`s the same thinking only worded better. The weed didn`t have this name when I knew him six months ago.

This is the Islamist trick to keep societies in bondage. Attack those who attack ignorance if that ignorance is Islamic. Argue that swords are equal to words and words are equal to swords so long as swords are used against others. Claim that science is religion, religion is science so long as that religion is Islam. Glorify a criminal past as heroic past so long as that past is Islamic. Claim reformers are Ghaznis and Ghaznis are reformers. Grant everything and then teach everyone the same lies if those lies are Islamic. Then whine why the world doesnt care for them.

hamidm2 (24),

Granted that the Muslim learns at an early age about the heroic past and the atrocities of a bygone era glorified, that today`s Muslim is clinging to a past that is irrelevant in the age of the internet, that he feels spiritually satisfied standing in the firing line five times a day, uttering words he knows not if he`s not fluent in Arabic, that he feels the means of violence would justify the end, that he feels his way is the best, that he feels an open, questioning, and a tolerant society is anathema to Islam.

And what is ``your`` solution? Attack mercilessly in the most ignorant and offensive way to reform it! Hats off to your logic!!! And if you stop to think for a moment, you`d discover that you yourself are not any different than very those who you abhor and condemn, such as Ghazni; the only difference is that he used swords and you use words, but the main idea is the same: ignorance rules. But Ghazni can be forgiven for he was a soldier who lived in the dark age of ignorance. What`s your excuse?

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finally, you guys get to win at something. l.k. advani is responsible for more deaths than bin laden.

faisaluno #34

You are so right. Just like you guys elected bin Laden as your cultural and national representative, just so we have elected jay as ours.

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hamdim2: Yes! we know lot more about Islam than others - generally more literate and better educated then Muslims in every other field - creating an onsession with 7th century Arabian tribal culture and leading to incompatability with progress and modern world.
Yesterday, I challenged to back Jihad with examples from Badr to today or few examples in subcontinent history. Thus far not a single example.
When it comes to defending life and livelihood, even animals do instinctively and non-Muslims are no coward to defend their lives. Then what is the point of reading, learning and re-reinterpretation of a useless, tribal and outdated concept? All we hear is blaming this, blaming that for not understanding the essence of this and that.
If burning boats (transportation) like Tariq Bin Zayad is held in high esteem, burning planes (modern transportation) and slamming them into WTC is one unavoidable outcome. I suppose burning boats was Jihad and burning aeroplanes........
Not knowing, not teaching and not following during formative years is much better than doing it. Even as adults, except for people interested in history, no point in learning secrets of snake oil.

dear mr jay:

at least pakis on this site have the courage to examine the dogmas they have been fed with since they are born. what have you and your type done besides celebrating the acts of people who cremate nonbelievers before they are actually dead?

your post should be an eye opener for pakis who tend to believe the drivel put out by rupert murdoch and his minions. how many of us would like to live next door to people who actually elect mr jay as a representative of their society?

{Jihadists that stream accross the borders to kill the kafirs are coming out of madrassas manned by people who have spent a life time learning the book. }

Children are forced to memorize the book and are celebrated as Hafiz! In a country full of hafizes, nobody knows Islam?! As hamidm says, they know Islam well. It is with Islam`s help that they created the utopia their country is.

Letter to Dawn
(http://www.dawn.com/2002/11/07/letted.htm#10)

Minorities in a democratic state

Constitutionally, we are a democratic state. Democracy entitles a national, not an alien, to participate in and regulate the affairs of the state. Moreover, democracy enables a citizen to elect and to be elected for the formation of a government.

Although our national flag shows the existence of minorities, no non-Muslim can be a senator here. Can a non-Muslim qualify for citizenship of a democratic state and not participate in the affairs of the upper house? This is not only a negation of the spirit of democracy, but is also against the teaching of the founder of Pakistan. To the father of the nation, any sense of deprivation among the minorities was not conducive to the national harmony.

Do our intellectuals and lawmakers believe honestly that only a joint ballot box can solve and satisfy the problems of the religious minorities in the prevailing political culture in which non-Muslims can be elected only MPAs?

YOUSAF MASIH

Lahore

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#24 by hamidm2

Thank you for supporting my point of view!

You mentioned that the peoblem in Islam is in education - mothers teaching their kids about Badr...

My question is that if mothers are imparting wrong teachings, who taught the mothers? Are we not interpretating, what the Quran said and we interpret it wrongly, then whose fault is it? Where does this problem start? 700 hundred years ago, 55 years ago or somewhere in the middle? My friend blaming someone as a mindless person is not the answer. It would be more instructive to understand, where this problem started from and how it mutated over the years to resemble what it does today.

Personally speaking, the article is a very poor attempt to justify incoherence. Still it raises some valid points, which require a deeper introspection.

Ciao

Abrar

Your candid observations are a welcome departure from the usual excuses given by muslim ``intellectuals`` for violent metnality of muslims in general and the jehadis in particular - but this does not go far enough to cure the problem. I think the remedy has to be more drastic. I think the real muslim intellectualls should completely depart from this ``islam good, muslim bad`` kind of explanations - because it will do nothing to change the mentalities of the muslim population. The muslim intellectualls should start thinking in lines of how to wean the masses away from too much religiosity , too much blind faith in the scriptures and the book.

It won`t be easy. It cannot be done by forced ``secualrism`` as it has failed in Turkey. Neither can it be done by parroting ``islam does not teach violence`` ( it sounds so idiotic at times ).

The first step would be to bite the bullet and denounce the religion as practiced by the masses in ``realilty``. The ``islam-preaches-peace`` line , even if true, is a fiction for all practical purposes, because almost all practitioners of the religion donot practice it that way.