Jihad – The Misperceptions

...all of you can hate jay, but his #61 is ugly the truth...

Abrar,

You are a very sensible writer that needs to be read by more people.

Welcome to CHOWK!


Ras

Abrar/ faisaloono,

This is a typical article from a pak psuedo intelecual who believes that the image of islam can be changed by propaganda and not by the actions of the people who profess the religion. What is significant is that you have not dared to criticise any of the existing practices in pakistan and as such your intent is not social change, not even a discussion on the manifestations of the religion. I agree that many are falling to the type of propaganda as evidenced by conversion in the west, but on chowk all know what operational islam is.

In the operational sense, jihad is simply killing of kafirs. No pakistani, even in the anonymity of chowk has refuted this notion simply because that is what jihad is and that is what they bave imbibed right from the womb.

It is articles like this that block the last ray of hope for social progress in pakistan and poison the last stream to the scorched social landscape of pakistan.

Ref 12-Head #59

[#58 *HARAMI OU*
AS IF 7000 muslims death in communal riots obver 50 to 90 happened after GODHRA?]

That is something new, if you mean in your fractured English that Godhra was the RESULT and not the CAUSE of the Gujarat riots.

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Ref faisaluno #34

[at least pakis on this site have the courage to examine the dogmas they have been fed with since they are born. what have you and your type done besides celebrating the acts of people who cremate nonbelievers before they are actually dead?]

This burning of non-believers that you talk about: you wouldn`t by any chance be referring to the fact that Islamist thugs set fire to a train containing Hindu/Kaffir pilgrims at Godhra, would you?

The writer does not appear to condemn violence entirely, but is worried that more Muslims are killed than others. The fact that of the matter as we see it in practical action is that the view that the Quran is a book to be rigorously followed is totally inadequate. The Quran, in all it`s wisdom, could not foresee that the people of the non-muslim world would progress to such levels, A book that can lend itself to numerous interpretations, some diametrically opposute to one another, is like building your houie on shifting sands.. Pray, what will happen if somebofy sufficiently charismatic comes up with a different interpretation tomorrow ? It is my personal opinion that Islam is a religion which in it`s present form, comes loaded with a self-destruct button, the said button being the Jihadis who, like Son Quixote, are tilting at windmills, with a far more belligerent result. They are up against public opinion in other countries, a whole new power which is beyond the comprehension of the Jihadis, and which if mtivated, will strike with a much more effective force than the religons of yesteryears which are the traditional enemies.This is a kind of Fascism akin to Hitler`s view of genetic superiority, and which has been roundly defeated earlier. The writer`s anguish is understood, but you can cure a disease, you can`t cuse a congenital malformation, which is what Islam seems to be suffering from.

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Mr.Abrar Akbar`s article-Jihad-A mis- perception-a good over view of factual happenings but why be apologetic.It is not mis-perception.It is down right miscoception.Face it.All religions,more or less,are misconceieved.Particularly monotheists religions-Judaism-Christianity and Islam have inherent contents to shed blood.It is good fortune that certain intellectuals in15th century could generate the revolution -The Reformation.The christianity was cosequently and gradually assigned to Churches and homes.It was no more relevent to society as a whole.The net consequence is the proliferation of secular states.Therefore,no holding of brief for Islam and no need to teach new meaning of Jihad that it is good if it is against poverty- illetracy etc etc.The very concept is down right not desirable in the 21st century.The only solution for muslim world(states)is that people should go for secularism and get rid of Islamic tyrants and let the individual beliefs be with onself.Anybody preaching killing should be cognizable offence and finally,muslim majority states should become democratic.Refining or redefining religion -changing concepts-will not produce any results-the goals you envision will remain unattainable.Muslims will continue to live in 14th century and will continue get beatings from all and sundry.I may be excused if my comments hurts the sensibilities of anybody.

POT POURRI FROM PARADISE

Rediff.
[We recommended inclusion of the prohibition of slaughter of cow and its progeny in fundamental rights. We have also argued that a Rapid Cow Protection Force on the lines of other paramilitary forces be instituted, which can operate on an all India basis for prevention of cow slaughter,`` Gumman Mal Lodha, who chaired the commission, told rediff.com The commission`s report said those who slaughter cows or smuggle them to Bangladesh, Kerala and illegal slaughterhouses should be booked under the Prevention of Terrorism Act. The holy cow is not just of religious value; it also has economic importance in India. It is the backbone of the Indian economy. Apart from milk products, the urine of the cow is of great medicinal importance,`` said Giriraj Kishore, international vice-president of the VHP.]

Hindu.
[NEW DELHI NOV. 7. The doctor who alleged that the ``encounter`` at the Ansal Plaza basement here on Sunday evening — in which two terrorists were killed — was orchestrated has gone into hiding despite having been assured immediate protection by police at the instance of the National Human Rights Commission.]

[AHMEDABAD NOV. 7. Eight persons were injured in police firing and stone-throwing in a fresh outbreak of communal violence in Gomtipur and Dani Limda localities in old Ahmedabad today. (A latenight PTI report said 15 persons were injured in the incidents).Traditionally, the Jamalpur seat has been claimed by Muslims, either nominated by the Congress or as independents, and BJP sources said the party believed that the Dalits voted for Muslim candidates out of fear as they were surrounded by the minorities on all sides. The BJP believes that it is possible to win over the Dalits if they are made to overcome their fear of the minorities. The BJP is believed to be toying with the idea of nominating a Vishwa Hindu Parishad activist for the Jamalpur seat to polarise voting on communal lines.]

Dalits-- Hindu of 7 nov 02.
[Thus we believe that violence not just on minorities, but on Dalits and women is also communal in nature.`` But, on the ground, what is the Dalit position on the violence in Gujarat? Are Dalits for the temple in Ayodhya? Are Dalits part of the Hindu Samaj? The answers come in matter of fact, but passionate, statements by Dalit women leaders:
``When we were incited to burn the Muslim basties, we were told to act as Hindus. Later, it was publicised by the same people that it was the Dalits who did it. The ambivalence is on the part of the Hindus, not Dalits. We know perfectly well that we do not belong to Hindu dharam.]

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Ralph (43),
I`m not the weed. I just smoke it.

...thanks for the `jihad for dummies` manual...now go blow yourself up somewhere...

re: faisuluno

{interesting to note that bangalis still cheer for pakistan when india plays pakistan at dhaka. }

...bangalis also hang from trees waiting for indian army helicopters to rescue them when floods strike...what`s your point, mullah?....