An All-Inclusive Rejoinder to All the Chronic Complainers

SMameer I believe Mush`s accidental meeting was at BB`s behest, the PPP wallas wanted to apologise for her ``inappropriate`` comments on ARY I think. Anyway what ruined the ARD`s counter attack was BB not wanting the PPP in power without her being there. Another more important reason was her allegedly liberal views, did not seem to fit in to well when a MMA MNA made the MNA`s do a dua for the ``shaheed`` Aimal Kasi while the entire Western Diplomatic and journalist Corp was watching!

......... here we go again ......... trying to convince romair that two years of kadam-maar and studying geopolitics and dismantling a G-3 in thirty seconds does not qualify you to make the same salary as an MBA from LUMS and it certainly does not qualify you to run a country - even if it is pakistan .......... but one has to be a realist - it is a wise to apply for a plot in askari phase 2, open an account at the askari bank and buy some defence savings certificates ............ you can be sure that your investment is safe as long as we have folks like romair .......... and of course we will always have corn flakes ........................

Mush is the best thing to have happened to Pakistan since Junejo.

Go Mush!!

To hell with Makhdhoom ``sisters married to Quraan`` Fahim and Mian ``Amirul Momineen`` Waaz Sharif and Asif ``10%`` Zardari and Maulana Fazlur Rotound Al-Diesel and Imran ``Jewish bimbo`s`` Khan. All Pakistani politicians are as worthless as the used toilet paper that you flushed this morning.

rsaxena #29: People are not stupid on average; individuals are. The stupidity oscillates on both sides of rationality and over a large enough sample like voting cancels out leading to average outcome. Repeated voting even further reduces the influence of individual stupidity.
nawaid: The combined vote for PPPP, PML (N) and MMA is much more than pro government parties dspite all rigging and pre-election manipulations.
How is this government better than BB or NS governments. I mentioned the benefit of siding with USA after 9/11 and before that government performance was no better than previous governments on all economic indicators basis. This government has raised prices of utilities and gasoline countless times upon pressure from IMF and failed to increase revenues.
The sectarian violence has definitely declined under Musharraf without clamping down on them. Not a single person is penalized for taking part in sectarian violence during Musharraf. And guess who did the most well known sectarian person, Azim Tariq of SSP voted for. He sided with government, I wonder why?
The Musharraf Amin Faheem meeting took place after midnight on Margala Hill Restaurant with practically nobody there on top of a mountain at that time. He has never walked in Aab Para, Super Market or Jinnah Super Market. Even his few trips to Lahore were so secret with whole city practically under curfew.

[Nashukras, be cheerful and enjoy the tragicomic spoof being directed by the khakis. George Orwell and Franz Kafka in one. And don’t be ‘ghaddar’ by harbouring aspirations for bringing them under any sort of scrutinizing mechanism -- ever. Patriotism and loyalty to your sacred armed forces demand unequivocal acquiescence -- do and die, not to question why. Don’t worry, if you are unable to fathom that after having undertaken an infinite number of incongruent assignments, when, where, how and who discharge the duties they are primarily recruited and trained for: soldiering? No civilian brain possesses the computing talent required to solve this complex equation. ]

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-einsteinwallah

re: sameerjb

{People are not stupid.}

..most are...everywhere you look...

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...nice article...alas, predictable ranting in protest from romair...

#25 by sameerJB


[People are not stupid. They have a way to let the rulers know of their ranking and popularity with respect to others. It is called voting}

isnt tht true majority of voters restrained themselves from voting.it shows majority have no intrest in restoration of democracy or bringing BB,NS or anyone else?

isnt true that mushraf allies were with NS three years back, and now they lined behind Mushraf alongwith MQM,GNA etc and this PPP forward block. so i dont understand ,to whom i should blame, Musharaf or these politicians?

i think ,so far,Mushraf did better then NS,BB etc...but we cant continue with his system for long......if he continues , result would be having another Zia or Ayub.

{Musharraf can not walk on the streets of capital, not because any threat to life which can be taken care of by security but the fear of verbal insult, ridicule and abuse from public. Despite all the propaganda against BB and NS, well wishers of them abound on the streets of Pakistan}.

little exaggeration?.... ....what about that resturant meeting with Makhdooma Fahima?

People are not stupid. They have a way to let the rulers know of their ranking and popularity with respect to others. It is called voting. They have made it abundantly clear during referendum and elections despite extensive rigging and manipulations, that they preferred BB and NS rules over Musharraf`s rule. They rejected all the propaganda and things what post number 9 alleges. The trains never ran on time since some tracks were baptized to Islam and others forced the trains to run non-violently on poor tracks. Trains ran much more on time under Stalin than Yeltsin and Putin.
Field Marshal is still trying to sell in USA what Pakistanis have rejected decidedly. In Islamabad election, the pro-government candidate was basically reeading Field Marshal`s posts every day and night on campaign trail and came out 6th behind MMA, PML (N), PPPP and two independents. All the deafening noises about abbaji, 15th amendment, corruption etc failed to win him any votes from the capital with highest percentage of educated Pakistanis anywhere in Pakistan.
Basically everybody knows about the den of thieves no matter what they claim to be. After running for life from the mountains of Kargil, they conquered Islamabad for face saving and compulsions, almost the way another thug from Farghana, Babar ran for life and ended up capturing Kabul.
After failing to succeed in popular support, they went on to rely on the most corrupt and turncoats of Pakistani politics with hardly anybody not in trouble with some law. Of course, similarity of characters helped both groups to join hands - plot mafia with drug mafia, defaulters and crooks of first order.
After three years of shameful performance (except for 9/11 about turn), resorting to all fraudulent means and corrupt practices, disgraceful, defeated and detested are written all over their faces.
Musharraf can not walk on the streets of capital, not because any threat to life which can be taken care of by security but the fear of verbal insult, ridicule and abuse from public. Despite all the propaganda against BB and NS, well wishers of them abound on the streets of Pakistan.
so finally they have managed to get Jamail into PM house. The long term cost of this exercise could be very costly. First it totally lacks supports from any member from NWFP and relies on MQM who have no other reason to support Musharraf and Moeen Ud Din Haider except on ethnicity grounds. If the fortunes are turned tomorrow, MQM will not have much moral ground to cry foul.

``#19 by arjun_m``

I still remember Indira Gandhi`s emergency that lasted from 1975 to 1977. Everything was hunky-dory. The trains and buses ran on time, there were no strikes, there was even a local government ruling which made the price of a cup of coffee the same between a street side vendor and a 5 star hotel! A people`s paradise, veritably!

And yet she was unceremoniously thrown out when she decided to hold elections! I still remember the awe we felt over the fact that someone so powerful could simply be voted out! Today, there are aaya raam, gaaya ram governments that we take for granted.

I wish the voice of the people of Pakistan was given that kind of power instead of being manipulated into electing a King`s party with a King`s parliament and a King`s prime minister. Reminds me of the days of the Raj when there was a British adviser who kept the ruler in check.

I suggest the Armed Forces restrain their role to taking care of the the traffic regulations.

I heard ZAB once asked the Fauji fuks to take over as traffic cops when the traffic policemen went on a strike. Perhaps ZAB saw 30 years ago what we are only witnessing now: Fauji fuks performing the only productive role they`ve ever been able to do- that of traffic cops.

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hear hear romair (post # 9). do people remember khidmat committees, 15th amendment, saifur rehman, bank bailouts, tariq aziz, rat and abbaji? the real tragedy of american interference is not the interrogation of people like doctor anthrax. after all, uncle sam and the army actually returned him alive. contrast this with the treatment of mqm workers during the reign of liberal queen. don’t see many people getting upset about the plight of nazimabadis who answered the midnight knock. no, the real tragedy of american interference is that mush was forced to hold elections at a time when he was finally starting to get a grip on the mess created during the golden decade. and why did the american force mush to hold election? was it because the genuinely cared about good governance or was it because the state department spokesman simply got tired of justifying himself in front of the bumbling times of india correspondent? and why are paki expats so concerned about democracy? at least for me, things are much easier now that i don’t have to admit to people that i am a citizen of a country that is ruled by a military oligarchy at the dawn of new millennium.

Romair:

``But BB, NS, AH, Fazl and Zia and their minions back in power - over my dead body. I will support Advani over them. ``

??? Ya gotta be kidding me...I know u made that statement in jest, but hell BB and Nawaz were not that bad...they were corrupt...so what..every politician is corrupt...our politicians are way more corrupt than yours..but we still gotta stick with democracy..

Actually, correspondent has a point. Unlike democratic India, Pakistan Generals have not (as yet!!) started lineage based governance.

Another point: generals as divinely chosen leaders once again brings out the great religion as a cause/effect of wars concept.

Good analysis!!