Bina Shah November 6, 2002
#45 Posted by tahmed32 on November 8, 2002 3:30:05 pm
Studebaker #44 you write ``Why then other muslims from from Saudie to Morocco & Gulf countries who dont devour Indian culture as Pakistan does fall for it ? ``
What are you trying to say??
What are you trying to say??
#44 Posted by Studebaker on November 8, 2002 2:39:17 pm
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#43 Posted by Studebaker on November 8, 2002 2:35:40 pm
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#42 Posted by tahmed32 on November 8, 2002 10:10:36 am
Tipu #41 Agreed jay is a dunce. Your post (blaming harassment of women in pakistan on indian movies and hindu culture) qualifies you for the other dunce cap.
#41 Posted by Tipu on November 8, 2002 10:01:31 am
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#40 Posted by Saminasha on November 8, 2002 8:40:09 am
Actually, these kinds of assaults are not restricted to females anymore. There was a disturbing article in the NYTimes Magazine about a month ago about male assaults against other men in the workplace.
Apparently, there has been a growing number of reported cases of harassing male environments in which some men are grabbed at, pinched, patted and called female names (meant to demean the recipient by likening him to a woman-interesting psycho social gender dynamics there) in private and public, loading porno into the victims` email, etc. The article reported one class action suit against a company`s management, the first ever male suit against a male environment.
The victims/recipients of these assaults bore them for several months before either quitting or formally protesting (notice how I didn`t use the word ``complain`` or ``charge``) The responses were alas, typical of the enviroment that harassers grow and mutate in. The recipients/victims were ridiculed even further, or ignored not only by the rest of the workstaff but by management. The harassers came up with several ingenious defenses worthy of our own Psycho 12 head Studebaker/amir/shah/whatever- , the victims misunderstood, they were oversensitive, this is the reality, deal with it-anything to deny responsibility or accountability for some outrageous behavior. In most cases, the victims worked for the harassers.
Its all about power, folks.
Apparently, there has been a growing number of reported cases of harassing male environments in which some men are grabbed at, pinched, patted and called female names (meant to demean the recipient by likening him to a woman-interesting psycho social gender dynamics there) in private and public, loading porno into the victims` email, etc. The article reported one class action suit against a company`s management, the first ever male suit against a male environment.
The victims/recipients of these assaults bore them for several months before either quitting or formally protesting (notice how I didn`t use the word ``complain`` or ``charge``) The responses were alas, typical of the enviroment that harassers grow and mutate in. The recipients/victims were ridiculed even further, or ignored not only by the rest of the workstaff but by management. The harassers came up with several ingenious defenses worthy of our own Psycho 12 head Studebaker/amir/shah/whatever- , the victims misunderstood, they were oversensitive, this is the reality, deal with it-anything to deny responsibility or accountability for some outrageous behavior. In most cases, the victims worked for the harassers.
Its all about power, folks.
#39 Posted by Ashaar on November 8, 2002 4:40:53 am
You are an excellent writer,
writing with great ``Ethos, Logos, and Pathos``
Well, I was wondering if I can get in touch with you,
and show you some of my work.
I am sruggling writer... But I want to emulate your foot-steps, and maybe publish my prose and poetry...
How can I possible get in touch with you!
You could possibly email me at xanaduism@yahoo.com
writing with great ``Ethos, Logos, and Pathos``
Well, I was wondering if I can get in touch with you,
and show you some of my work.
I am sruggling writer... But I want to emulate your foot-steps, and maybe publish my prose and poetry...
How can I possible get in touch with you!
You could possibly email me at xanaduism@yahoo.com
#38 Posted by escapist on November 7, 2002 11:46:00 pm
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=12&ItemID=2537
#37 Posted by Ras on November 7, 2002 11:23:05 pm
Adam Teasing -Eve Teasing are soft names for very serious problems.
The forcible separation of the sexes is unnatural. Peole have to eventually dicover that there is a lot more to the opposite sexes than
objects of lust.
Flirting is good. Manhandling is not.
The new era of Information Tech. and mass visual communications is
bringing in just 1/2 the message to viewers. There is a lot more to young shaking bodies and scantily clad performers on TV. The problem is that people do not know how to translate this type of display into their own sexually repressive environment.
Ras
#36 Posted by jay on November 7, 2002 11:23:05 pm
Bina,
It is heartening to see an article of relevance to the pak society, that portrays the reality of pakistan to those who pretend to be blind. Other than the articles by hoodboy, I do not remeber seing another one to discuss the underlying forces of pak society.
Since the beginning of chowk may be a few hundred authors have found the images on chowk, but only two out of them who has seen the reality of pakistan in a critical way and are honest enough to write about it only reinforces the hopelessness of the pak socity.
Your article is not the harbinger of changes in mental landscape of the pakistanis, it is only an oddity like the five leaved clover, randon as a bolt from the blue.
It is heartening to see an article of relevance to the pak society, that portrays the reality of pakistan to those who pretend to be blind. Other than the articles by hoodboy, I do not remeber seing another one to discuss the underlying forces of pak society.
Since the beginning of chowk may be a few hundred authors have found the images on chowk, but only two out of them who has seen the reality of pakistan in a critical way and are honest enough to write about it only reinforces the hopelessness of the pak socity.
Your article is not the harbinger of changes in mental landscape of the pakistanis, it is only an oddity like the five leaved clover, randon as a bolt from the blue.
#35 Posted by Shah on November 7, 2002 9:35:24 pm
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#34 Posted by Moez on November 7, 2002 8:45:15 pm
The learing is the staple diet of the frustrated Paki male. Standing in high noon at apwa college just to have a peek on chadar laden girls is the most silly and pathetic sight. But in the society where women are cheapen as personal property and no venue to vent those frustration, this is the end result. I agree with the other poster this is least of the problems when there are more shameful crimes are commited.
BTW why there is so much fascination with sex when the end result is liquid mess.
BTW why there is so much fascination with sex when the end result is liquid mess.
#33 Posted by Shah on November 7, 2002 5:40:07 pm
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#31 Posted by tahmed32 on November 7, 2002 3:44:29 pm
nawaid #95 you write ``and i hope some female here having decent size of breast can eloborate the inside feeling ``
On the other hand, if you or urstruly have a decent size bottom, perhaps you could experience the inside feeling of being groped by visiting certain parts of pakistan. If you have not already enjoyed that experience. Alternatively, try it out on your mom, and ask her for her inside feelings.
:-)
On the other hand, if you or urstruly have a decent size bottom, perhaps you could experience the inside feeling of being groped by visiting certain parts of pakistan. If you have not already enjoyed that experience. Alternatively, try it out on your mom, and ask her for her inside feelings.
:-)
#30 Posted by nooralain on November 7, 2002 3:44:29 pm
well, of course the usual suspects don`t seem to be taking this a whole lot seriously.
And there is a big difference between FLIRTING, and guys chasing you, grabbing your breasts, and your ass, and trying to pull off your dupatta, which results in your falling and being dragged across the ground. And some of you `men` are going to tell me that women like this kind of attention???
And there is a big difference between FLIRTING, and guys chasing you, grabbing your breasts, and your ass, and trying to pull off your dupatta, which results in your falling and being dragged across the ground. And some of you `men` are going to tell me that women like this kind of attention???
#29 Posted by freesoul on November 7, 2002 11:02:16 am
AAmir (27)
Well, once i used to have long hair and keep a pony tail. I thought it was quite OK, but then i observed men leering at me while overtaking my car from behind. After seeing my rugged face and big moustache, the disappointment on their face overlapping the dwindling excitement was quite something to watch :)
Well, once i used to have long hair and keep a pony tail. I thought it was quite OK, but then i observed men leering at me while overtaking my car from behind. After seeing my rugged face and big moustache, the disappointment on their face overlapping the dwindling excitement was quite something to watch :)
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