In Celebration of Ramadan (Part 1): Ala Hazrat’s Poem About The Onset of Ramadan
Asif Naqshbandi November 8, 2002
#43 Posted by GhalibZaman on November 13, 2002 9:22:05 pm
Rejoice O Sattar2 you have just been reinstated a muslim by one who is yearning to be anointed a kaffir. Naqshbandi must also acknowledge the kufr of the one itching for such an honor. Strange that he ignores him. In fact there are a few more here scratching at the appropriate places to qualify for such an honorific.
But why O why do you seek validation of your beliefs from others. Even from Naqshbandi. If the Druze, the Bahais and the Ismailies are happy as they are, what is it that is nagging at your innards?
Funny, isn`t it, that at times like these when even some hindus & sikhs in the US are getting profiled, harassed, and beaten up mistaken as muslims, you are adamant to be marked as muslim on your passport. Some people are never thankful. You are what you are and you do not become a terrorist simply because the neighborhood bully calls you names...and harasses you for uttering your values in public.
It is sad but true that some folks among muslims value Islam so much that they want to retain it just for themselves or even to himself. Removing others from the fold of Islam is a mind-boggling phenomenon and unique to muslims especially when the others are bent upon becoming `muslim` by paying special attention to them. Hindus want them to be hindu-like and christains want them to be in their own image.
One must admit that the drawing power of Islam is immense and miraculous indeed. You will never ever become a US-citizen by birth or passport---you will always be considered a muslim . Similarly you can never become a kafir by decree or passport---you will always be what you decide to call yourself. Just make sure that you yourself or any of your prophets, mahdees, or khalifaas never ever said that only the followers of them are muslims while others are not. It could be possible, just could be, that it is such thought that led to the backlash against you.
So much so that within your religion there are now quadianis and lahoris.
What stopped Zafrullah Khan to say his prayers when Maulana Shabbir Ahmad Usmani led the QuaideAzams funeral prayers. Sunnis of all sects, Shias, Ismailis and muslims of every hue & color joined the prayers. Quadianis did not. Any reason?
But why O why do you seek validation of your beliefs from others. Even from Naqshbandi. If the Druze, the Bahais and the Ismailies are happy as they are, what is it that is nagging at your innards?
Funny, isn`t it, that at times like these when even some hindus & sikhs in the US are getting profiled, harassed, and beaten up mistaken as muslims, you are adamant to be marked as muslim on your passport. Some people are never thankful. You are what you are and you do not become a terrorist simply because the neighborhood bully calls you names...and harasses you for uttering your values in public.
It is sad but true that some folks among muslims value Islam so much that they want to retain it just for themselves or even to himself. Removing others from the fold of Islam is a mind-boggling phenomenon and unique to muslims especially when the others are bent upon becoming `muslim` by paying special attention to them. Hindus want them to be hindu-like and christains want them to be in their own image.
One must admit that the drawing power of Islam is immense and miraculous indeed. You will never ever become a US-citizen by birth or passport---you will always be considered a muslim . Similarly you can never become a kafir by decree or passport---you will always be what you decide to call yourself. Just make sure that you yourself or any of your prophets, mahdees, or khalifaas never ever said that only the followers of them are muslims while others are not. It could be possible, just could be, that it is such thought that led to the backlash against you.
So much so that within your religion there are now quadianis and lahoris.
What stopped Zafrullah Khan to say his prayers when Maulana Shabbir Ahmad Usmani led the QuaideAzams funeral prayers. Sunnis of all sects, Shias, Ismailis and muslims of every hue & color joined the prayers. Quadianis did not. Any reason?
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#42 Posted by hamidm2 on November 13, 2002 5:31:12 pm
sattar2
...... if it is any consolation to you, as far as i am concerned, you can call yourself a muslim and shout the azan at the top of your lungs .......... you can pray till you get dizzy and go around shouting assalaamoalaikum to strangers and, for all i care, you can starve yourself to death this ramadhan ..........personally, i don`t know why you would want to do all this because that would put you in the same bad company as naqshbandi .......... it is because of folks like him that i am seriously considering converting to hindooism and living my life by the kama sutra .............other than the vegetarian nonsense, the horrible hindoos seem to be having a lot more fun ..........
...... if it is any consolation to you, as far as i am concerned, you can call yourself a muslim and shout the azan at the top of your lungs .......... you can pray till you get dizzy and go around shouting assalaamoalaikum to strangers and, for all i care, you can starve yourself to death this ramadhan ..........personally, i don`t know why you would want to do all this because that would put you in the same bad company as naqshbandi .......... it is because of folks like him that i am seriously considering converting to hindooism and living my life by the kama sutra .............other than the vegetarian nonsense, the horrible hindoos seem to be having a lot more fun ..........
#41 Posted by sattar2 on November 13, 2002 2:53:43 pm
Naqshbandi Sahib (#35):
So you insist on linking Hazrat Sahib’s love for Mohammad … with fatwas of kuffr …. Fine, if that’s what suits you. A few things worth pointing out …
Ahmadi belief that Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) is not the last prophet … although he is the last “law-bearing” prophet … cannot be construed as an insult to the dear Prophet (pbuh).
According to Ahmadi belief … “khattam-un-Nabiyeen” means that the dear Prophet (pbuh) elevated prophethood to perfection and highest form of excellence … that the message brought by the him (pbuh) will forever give spiritual life to the followers … and that future prophets can attain prophethood only by holding fast to the message of Quran … by holding the dear Prophet (pbuh) in the highest regard.
You may disagree with Ahmadi belief regarding finality of prophethood … but you cannot rightfully accuse them of slandering the dear Prophet.
You seem to agree that persecution of Ahmadi-Muslims is in violation of Islamic principles. Such actions on behalf of the ullema suggest that the ullema have deviated from the path of patience and perseverance … and have given in to bigotry and fanaticism.
You accuse Ahmadis of pretending to be Muslims. Your characterization of their behavior is unjust and unwarranted. As an Ahmadi I consider myself a Muslim … and feel no need to “pretend” to be a Muslim. I choose to follow Islam because of my convictions. Same can be said of the Ahmadi-Muslim community … that they follow Islam out of their convictions … and are not “pretending” to be Muslims like you stated.
“Pretending” implies conscious deception on one’s part. Insisting on judging and labeling motives of others … is not a mark of civility. I hope you’d agree here.
#40 Posted by tahmed32 on November 13, 2002 1:43:19 pm
khamkhwa #39 You will have better luck using your head to ram a hole in the Great Wall of China then you will have trying to reason with Naqshbandi. My bandaged head is proof of past attempts at trying to reason with Naqshbandi and present him with evidence from the Quran itself of his waywardness. But dont let me stop you from trying...
PS: To be fair, Naqshbandi is not alone by any means among muslims in attributing (for all practical purposes) divinity to men (including the Prophet, as you correctly point out). I have wondered about the reason for this, and conclude that it is much easier to venerate ordinary men. Whether it is man temporal power like musharraf or saddam or even a party leader like nawaz sharif (as evidenced by their kow-towing underlings while they are in power), or a man with presumed spiritual powers (as evidenced by the kowtoing to pirs and mullahs and suchlikes in pakistan). Even if all this is contrary to Islam as conveyed in the Quran (not as conveyed by one of these ``divine`` men).
PS: To be fair, Naqshbandi is not alone by any means among muslims in attributing (for all practical purposes) divinity to men (including the Prophet, as you correctly point out). I have wondered about the reason for this, and conclude that it is much easier to venerate ordinary men. Whether it is man temporal power like musharraf or saddam or even a party leader like nawaz sharif (as evidenced by their kow-towing underlings while they are in power), or a man with presumed spiritual powers (as evidenced by the kowtoing to pirs and mullahs and suchlikes in pakistan). Even if all this is contrary to Islam as conveyed in the Quran (not as conveyed by one of these ``divine`` men).
#39 Posted by khamkhwa. on November 13, 2002 9:43:17 am
#37
You mean that without hero-worship, you can not worship the unity called
Allah. Let me refresh your memory with the following verses from Quran.
5:99, 13:40 and 42:48....they explain the role of the prophet. What was the first act of the prophet after the conquest of Mecca? Destroy all the
idols.Why? you tell me. Finally read the verses 35:13 and 14 from ``zaalikum ullaho rabbakum lahul mulk....`` till the end of 14th which
say that they will disown association with you on the day of Judgement.
3:31 clearly states that if you love Allah FOLLOW me,it does not say worship me. One does not put the created with the Creator on the same pedestal as the last misra of the last verse implies.
ya`ani muhibb o mahboob mein nahin mera tera
You mean that without hero-worship, you can not worship the unity called
Allah. Let me refresh your memory with the following verses from Quran.
5:99, 13:40 and 42:48....they explain the role of the prophet. What was the first act of the prophet after the conquest of Mecca? Destroy all the
idols.Why? you tell me. Finally read the verses 35:13 and 14 from ``zaalikum ullaho rabbakum lahul mulk....`` till the end of 14th which
say that they will disown association with you on the day of Judgement.
3:31 clearly states that if you love Allah FOLLOW me,it does not say worship me. One does not put the created with the Creator on the same pedestal as the last misra of the last verse implies.
ya`ani muhibb o mahboob mein nahin mera tera
#38 Posted by faisaluno on November 13, 2002 7:05:39 am
mr naqshbandi:
how do you intend to insure that qadianis ``are accepted as kafirs``? also what do you intend to do to me, a non practicing/ non-believing muslim? what do you have in store for me?
how do you intend to insure that qadianis ``are accepted as kafirs``? also what do you intend to do to me, a non practicing/ non-believing muslim? what do you have in store for me?
#37 Posted by Naqshbandi on November 12, 2002 8:53:02 pm
It is impossible to love Allah without loving the Prophet sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam but obviously no Muslim no matter how much he loves Allah`s Habib will elevate him to a level above that of Allah or even equal to Him!
So your question does not have a sensible answer. He was a wali and so by definition he loved Allah.
``Say (Oh Muhammad): ‘If you (truly) love Allah then follow me, so that Allah may love you and forgive your sins.’ And Allah is All-Forgiving, All-Compassionate.`` (3:31)
Perhaps these two couplets of his will answer you:
Main to malik hi kahoonga ke ho Malik kay habib
Ya`ani muhibb o mahboob mein nahin mera tera!
***
Khuda ka yehi hai dar nahin aur koi mafar maqar
Jo wahan ka ho tau yeheen aakar ho jo yahan na tau wahan nahin!
So your question does not have a sensible answer. He was a wali and so by definition he loved Allah.
``Say (Oh Muhammad): ‘If you (truly) love Allah then follow me, so that Allah may love you and forgive your sins.’ And Allah is All-Forgiving, All-Compassionate.`` (3:31)
Perhaps these two couplets of his will answer you:
Main to malik hi kahoonga ke ho Malik kay habib
Ya`ani muhibb o mahboob mein nahin mera tera!
***
Khuda ka yehi hai dar nahin aur koi mafar maqar
Jo wahan ka ho tau yeheen aakar ho jo yahan na tau wahan nahin!
#36 Posted by khamkhwa. on November 12, 2002 4:18:19 pm
Naqshbandi saheb,
Did he love the prophet more than Allah. yes or no please.
Did he love the prophet more than Allah. yes or no please.
#35 Posted by Naqshbandi on November 12, 2002 3:29:52 pm
sattar2,
the two issues are actually closely related: how can a lover of the Beloved Prophet sal Allahu `alayhi wa sallam stay silent when a person denies aspects of the greatness of Allah`s Messenger alayhisalatu wa salaam?
In the case of the Qadianis this was the rejection of his being the last and final prophet sent to mankind; in the case of others it was the rejection of the noor aspect of his being; in other caes it was the rejection of his ilm al ghayb; etc. etc.
A lover cannot remain silent when his beloved is insulted! Therefore Ala Hazrat had to act with his pen to silence the gustaakhaaN e Mustafa sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam.
**
As for your point about the general persecution of qadianis in pakistan i agree that once they are accepted as kafirs then they should not be tortured, killed etc. This is totally wrong. However they must not try to fool others by pretending to be Muslims. We should just leave them alone.
***
Here is an illuminating abstract from Ala Hazrat:
``
786
The following event will illustrate Ala Hazrat`s love for The Beloved
Prophet Muhammad sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam and his hatred for those
who insulted the Prophet.
From SawaniH i Imam Ahmed Rida Khan p.131
`` Once, Hadrat Sadr al Afadil Mawlana Sayyid Naim uddin Muradabadi
alayhirahmat said to him (Imam Ahmad Rida) that Sir, in your books
you refute the false doctrines of the Wahabis, Deobandis and Ghayr
Muqallideen in such harsh terms that nowadays those people who aspire
to be cultured throw away your books after looking at only a few
pages and say that these books are full of insults and in that way
they do not see your proofs and demonstrations either and remain
aloof from guidance. Therefore if Your Excelleny would refute the
Wahabis and the Deobandis in a gentle and pleasant manner, then the
devotees of the so-called `new enlightenment` who are supposed to be
highly cultured and refined too will read your books and, seeing your
matchless proofs, would in this way be guided. On hearing this speech
of Hadrat Sadr al Afadil Muradabadi, Ala Hadrat`s eyes filled with
tears. And he said: `` Mawlana! My wish was that in the hands of
Ahmad Rida there would be a sword and that there would be the heads
of those who insult the leige-lord and Master of Ahmad Rida sal
Allahu alayhi wa sallam and that with my own hand I would strike off
their heads and in this way shut the gate of disrespect (to the
Prophet). But it is not in my power to use the sword but Allah has
given me a pen. And so I refute these people of no religion [bay-deen]
with my pen in such harsh and strong words so that these insulters of
the Prophet sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam see my harsh words in
refutation against them and burn with anger and so they get angry and
out of anger begin to insult me instead and forget about barking
insults to my lord and Master sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam and so, in
this way, the honour and respect of my ancestors and descendents is
sacrificed for the majestic grandeur of His Excellency sal Allahu
alayhi wa sallam.`` (as quoted in Tarjuman Ahle Sunnat: vols. 5-10: p.
93).
subhan Allah! What a lover of the Prophet sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam.
the two issues are actually closely related: how can a lover of the Beloved Prophet sal Allahu `alayhi wa sallam stay silent when a person denies aspects of the greatness of Allah`s Messenger alayhisalatu wa salaam?
In the case of the Qadianis this was the rejection of his being the last and final prophet sent to mankind; in the case of others it was the rejection of the noor aspect of his being; in other caes it was the rejection of his ilm al ghayb; etc. etc.
A lover cannot remain silent when his beloved is insulted! Therefore Ala Hazrat had to act with his pen to silence the gustaakhaaN e Mustafa sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam.
**
As for your point about the general persecution of qadianis in pakistan i agree that once they are accepted as kafirs then they should not be tortured, killed etc. This is totally wrong. However they must not try to fool others by pretending to be Muslims. We should just leave them alone.
***
Here is an illuminating abstract from Ala Hazrat:
``
786
The following event will illustrate Ala Hazrat`s love for The Beloved
Prophet Muhammad sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam and his hatred for those
who insulted the Prophet.
From SawaniH i Imam Ahmed Rida Khan p.131
`` Once, Hadrat Sadr al Afadil Mawlana Sayyid Naim uddin Muradabadi
alayhirahmat said to him (Imam Ahmad Rida) that Sir, in your books
you refute the false doctrines of the Wahabis, Deobandis and Ghayr
Muqallideen in such harsh terms that nowadays those people who aspire
to be cultured throw away your books after looking at only a few
pages and say that these books are full of insults and in that way
they do not see your proofs and demonstrations either and remain
aloof from guidance. Therefore if Your Excelleny would refute the
Wahabis and the Deobandis in a gentle and pleasant manner, then the
devotees of the so-called `new enlightenment` who are supposed to be
highly cultured and refined too will read your books and, seeing your
matchless proofs, would in this way be guided. On hearing this speech
of Hadrat Sadr al Afadil Muradabadi, Ala Hadrat`s eyes filled with
tears. And he said: `` Mawlana! My wish was that in the hands of
Ahmad Rida there would be a sword and that there would be the heads
of those who insult the leige-lord and Master of Ahmad Rida sal
Allahu alayhi wa sallam and that with my own hand I would strike off
their heads and in this way shut the gate of disrespect (to the
Prophet). But it is not in my power to use the sword but Allah has
given me a pen. And so I refute these people of no religion [bay-deen]
with my pen in such harsh and strong words so that these insulters of
the Prophet sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam see my harsh words in
refutation against them and burn with anger and so they get angry and
out of anger begin to insult me instead and forget about barking
insults to my lord and Master sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam and so, in
this way, the honour and respect of my ancestors and descendents is
sacrificed for the majestic grandeur of His Excellency sal Allahu
alayhi wa sallam.`` (as quoted in Tarjuman Ahle Sunnat: vols. 5-10: p.
93).
subhan Allah! What a lover of the Prophet sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam.
#34 Posted by sattar2 on November 11, 2002 11:18:27 am
Naqshbandi Sahib (#17):
We are discussing two issues in parallel. One is … affection Ala Hazrat felt for Mohammad Mustafa … the other issue is that of fatwas of kuffr against Ahmadis and others.
I hope you can appreciate the simple point that … emotions you are trying to portray in this piece … are best expressed without undertones of religious politics and fatwas of kuffr.
Moving on …
My problem is not with Ahmadis being declared kaffirs by your ullema. However, when Ahmadis are locked up in prisons for reciting kalima … or for possessing a copy of Quran … there is something terribly wrong with this zeal practiced in the name of Islam.
#31 Posted by hamidm2 on November 10, 2002 10:24:10 am
islam is at a cossroad as maureen dowd says it all in today`s NYT
``a society engaged in a momentous struggle for its future, torn between secret police and secret undergarments``
..... may allah grant us the strenght to choose fredricks of hollywood instead of the shaykh of mecca or ala hazrat of deoband - ameen
P.S. who is ala hazrat and how come nobody that i know has heard of him ?
``a society engaged in a momentous struggle for its future, torn between secret police and secret undergarments``
..... may allah grant us the strenght to choose fredricks of hollywood instead of the shaykh of mecca or ala hazrat of deoband - ameen
P.S. who is ala hazrat and how come nobody that i know has heard of him ?
#30 Posted by Urstruly on November 10, 2002 10:24:10 am
Romair # 20
Excellent set of questions, I will post some as soon as the debate gets started and I have some time at hand.
#29 Posted by GhalibZaman on November 10, 2002 10:24:10 am
Mr. Naqshbandi
Thank you for a good article and a good subject. I , too, am anxiously waiting for your reply to Romair. Let this be a turning point and let us ,as muslims of every mazhab & fiqhue, discuss matters among ourselves.
Let us be even more compassionate towards wanna-be kuffars and munafiques. Better still, just ignore them if & when they spew hatred .
Pathan
A first at chowk! Congratulations!
How do you do it? Being a keyboard klutz I do not know how to make chowk look better and more homely like you have done. Please guide me and perhaps many others so that we can bring the perfume & colours of our culture to chowk.
This certainly is a harbinger of good times at chowk.
Thank you for a good article and a good subject. I , too, am anxiously waiting for your reply to Romair. Let this be a turning point and let us ,as muslims of every mazhab & fiqhue, discuss matters among ourselves.
Let us be even more compassionate towards wanna-be kuffars and munafiques. Better still, just ignore them if & when they spew hatred .
Pathan
A first at chowk! Congratulations!
How do you do it? Being a keyboard klutz I do not know how to make chowk look better and more homely like you have done. Please guide me and perhaps many others so that we can bring the perfume & colours of our culture to chowk.
This certainly is a harbinger of good times at chowk.
#28 Posted by Ras on November 10, 2002 10:24:10 am
Naqsbandi,
Religion is not generally my area of expertise
but this was very well written.
Ras
Religion is not generally my area of expertise
but this was very well written.
Ras
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