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reading some of the comments here, i feel like giving up on this Chowk qaum altogether...but then i realize just how much this place is in need of broader minded people, and that most if not all of you should not be taken seriously.
khudahafiz!

the_happy_one,

What a disingenius arguement to make.
By that token, nothing can ever be written about any homosexual ills because someone will always point certain heterosexual ills that they perceive to be a greater one.

Sal

``I am extremely shocked that...there would be this many gay people in Pakistan, i can unsderstand india, but pakistan...``

Dude, what the hell are you implying?? Why is it understandable for India to have more gays than Pakistan? Hain? You think we are a nation of gay people?

We have larger population than you. Obviously, our people have way more straight sex than your people. Besides, everyone knows that Pathans are rearenders in a sensual sense. That means proportion of gays in Pakistan is way more than in India.

#31 by Urstruly

>>I am all for the equal rights of anally challenged people.<<

Funny that gays would think of u as `anally challenged `, as u do not use the rear hole to its fullest capabilities as much as they do :)

#27 by moulabux

>>There was one who used to visit our school too, and have quite a good time, until the administration got whiff of his activities. He used to harass schoolboys<<<

and u boys wanted free candies, huh?

;)

we have people on these pages who advocate teaching ahemdis a lesson. pretty soon, nwfp will have a govt that believes that a woman`s hair is something evil. reformers in pakistan have a difficult battle ahead. advocating the most contentious issue around will do undue damage to the progressive agenda. gays should not have a problem because gop is not installing a camera in every bedroom. and they have more freedom in public anyway. when was the last time anyone saw a man and woman holding hands in public?

All I can say is I died laughing hearing some person - joined a monastery and applied for asylum (his is a persecuted lot back hjome) - when his visa ran out. Talk about hitting 2 birds with one stone. And why is everyone getting so anal on this board.

Alright people, line up along the sides, so we can see who`s where. And some of you may want to wander around, taking no sides at all.

Humans have many different (and sometimes even classified as weird) sexual preferences, why? People have fetishes, but comparing that to someone sexual orientation is not fair. Fetishes are about what turns a person `on` - regardless of their orientation. Some people have harmless fetishes and others may have harmful ones, but this still doesn`t mean that only `twisted` people have fetishes or that homosexuality is a fetish.

You cannot `confuse` someone about their orientation by giving them access to some information. Even if you did how long could it last? It would be more of a curiosity. Yes, believe it or not, people have curiosities, and they can be harmless. It`s not like a cold that you can transmit by being in the company of someone who has a cold. The only people who would `turn` into homosexuals would be the ones who had already experienced similar feelings and after receiving some kind of validation from others, decided to `come out` or express it more than before. And if we try and keep `these sort of people` away from the rest of the world, we`re only forcing those other people to live in the closets -- we`re still not `changing` their sexual orientation. We`re contributing to their unhappiness.

Sexual orientation is about whether a person is attracted to a person of their own sex or the opposite sex. There has been some research that suggests that there isn`t fixed categories for sexual orientation.

-------http://www.sbu.ac.uk/stafflag/kinseyscale.html ---
When Alfred Kinsey began his research into male sexuality he assessed the degree of homosexuality according to a seven-point scale. (Kinsey, Pomeroy, and Martin, (1948)). Individuals are rated as follows.
0 Exclusively heterosexual with no homosexual experience
1 Predominantly heterosexual, only incidently homosexual
2 Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
3 Equally heterosexual and homosexual
4 Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
5 Predominantly homosexual, but incidentally heterosexual
6 Exclusively homosexual, with no heterosexual experience
The implication of the scale is that the question is not necessarily whether someone is homosexual or not. Rather that there is a continuum of homosexuality.

The scale can apply to either behaviour or sexual feeling.

Homosexuality can refer to inclination, activity, status, role, or self-concept. People may not be ``homosexual`` to the same extent for all dimensions. For example. a hustler may engage in homosexual activity while denying the self-concept. A married man may have the inclination but not act on it. The investigator must decide which dimension is of interest.
----

There are other research sources that could be cited that claim that humans are essentially bisexual. Of course, research doesn`t mean solid proof, but I think research implies that the possibilities do exist.

Yes genetically humans are programmed to reproduce, and even lgbt (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered) people want to have children and have families etc. If we don`t know enough, we cannot simply assume that we do, and assume that anything that we don`t know firsthand is wrong, or weird or a `sin` or not a big enough problem.

Each one of us knows a different set of issues that are hard to face, what`s that saying...you have to walk a mile in someone`s shoes before you truly get to know them?

I would say that no matter what the issue (racism, homophobia) - as long it`s not causing someone harm (pedophiles, serial killers) - we need to have an open mind and heart.

SaraJ: amaazing amazing amaaazing pictures....u guys looked so hot mashallah say :)...

sac: `pardon my ignorance` is the operative phrase....it was a simple enough question especially coming from someone who`s never been abroad and who`s lived in a country where the word `sex` is a taboo in itself let alone homosexuality!

Q: What`s the difference between a hobo and a homo?
A: A hobo has no friends at all, whereas a homo has friends up his ass.

Maybe articles like these don`t have to be literary masterpieces. The author is trying to discuss something that is somewhat taboo in Pakistani society, so lets concentrate on the message rather than in what terms it has been couched in. Politically correct meter-maids are more than welcome to debate whether `homo` is acceptable to the gay and lesbian community or not. It would be nice if some actual `homos` came out and described their `feelings` on the subject.

All power to the homos. My only beef with them is the same one I have with the mullahs. Ok you folks are awesome, your understanding of religion far exceeds mine BUT for Christ`s sake keep than feather tipped fedora out of my nose. I don`t know why Jimmy is shacking up with Andy and not you. Maybe you have bad breath. I am all for your right to marry Ali in the local masjid or Synagouge and wait 3 hours to see the HMO drone-terribly accented Raju Patel MD for allergies caused by spermicide that you told Dick NOT to use after he had nine Tequilla shots(and you had ten but whose counting). You are my friend. I know we prefer different openings. Lets leave it at that. I wasn`t there when God put a different carburretor into your system and I sure can`t do anything about it.

re Tidbit #23:

How about replacing same-sex with opposite-sex relationships in your question(pardon my ignorance)?

later
-sac

I am all for the equal rights of anally challenged people. There should not be any prejudice towards one`s sexual orientation either. Thus they deserve equal rights of a fair trial where judge and jury must decide their fate, without prejudice, leading them to their execution or flogging in a public place; oh.....and may be an acquittal.

Tidbit-
Having had 12 gay co-workers at one point, and countless gay friends, i can reassure you that sex is just as important to them as heterosexual couples...if not more so. :) And plenty of it is mindless. ;) Hey! Did you get the engagement pictures?? What`d you think?

sara

Re: Ras and Ashok

You guys are basically saying that the problems a gay person faces are negligible compared to other issues so we shouldn’t waste our time with this. Well, tell that to a gay person!
What a disingenuous argument to make!
By that token nothing can ever be written about any societal ill because someone will always point out another ill that they perceive to be a greater one!

Re: Moulanabux

The FBI reports that last year in the United States alone there were 90,000 incidents of heterosexual rape.

In a majority of the cases the culprit is out in the open again..

Such incidents are not easily to overlook, and they leave a distinct scar on the minds of those who have to go through all this.

Mr. Moulanabux, do me a favor and write your Chowk posts about certain rules heterosexuals should put forth. To not indulge in such activities with people against their wishes, and to not victimize women.

And I`ve nothing against heterosexuals, as long as they confine their activities to those who consent to it. Be happy in your own little world.

``......has involved in many sexual encounters, which include, assault, harassment and pleasure. ``

Wasn`t there an article on chowk recentlly about how our womenfolk are harassed by sexually depraved males, on the road, in the markets, on the buses and so forth. What about the harassment young men have to face at the hands of other?

There was one who used to visit our school too, and have quite a good time, until the administration got whiff of his activities. He used to harass schoolboys. And when I was in grade 7th, he was caught, and brutally beaten, before being handed over to the authorities. I pitied him then. His father being a someone [in karachi, everyone is a someone] got him out. Then, when I was in grade 10, he started frequenting school again. And the prefects had to stay back. It was scary. I was the one who caught him. Had it not been for the intervention of the schools principal, the pedophile`s parents would have got him out again....as he was someone big in the Electronic Market situated opposite to our school.

I`m sure that young man is out in the open again..

Such incidents are not easily to overlook, and they leave a distinct scar on the minds of those who have to go through all this.

Mr. NJ, do me a favour and tell Mr.Khurram to write in his ezine about certain rules homosexuals should put forth. To not indulge in such activities with people against their wishes, and to not victimize school going children.

And I`ve nothing against homosexuals, as long as they confine their activities to those who consent to it. Be happy in your own little world.

H.