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There is no site at
www.humjinsparast.com

r u sure? or my firewall is causing problem. However i could find

http://www.geocities.com/humjinsparast/home.html

Khurram`s article is at:
http://www.geocities.com/humjinsparast/archive/twistingsociety.html

Other sites are:

http://www.geocities.com/gaypakistanicommunity/

http://www.geocities.com/danial96/

oh maaan..frere hall is a gay meeting point?! i go there every sunday, how come i don know???

I agree with most of what Khurram said... except for the getting married part. Why would he want to marry a girl, if he`s so sure of his gaiety. I know quite a few American gays and one Pakistani gay friend who choose to go single their lives albeit with gay partners. Why make a mess of things and get married to a girl when its not the thing for you and you know it ?

was this article edited at ALL, before Chowk agreed to post it?

N J: You`ve brought a lot of tough issues to focus with this interview.
In many cases it seems that Khurram has an open viewpoint about which kind of society he lives in and how he has to continue to live and function within it.
It was a unique viewpoint, whereas in the west there are campaigns and pride days, in the east (Khurram claims - and rightly so), there`s nothing to be proud about - yet.
In a society, where even movies get banned and producers/directors get harrassed for tackling tough social issues (Deepa Mehta for Fire, and then Water - which was not about homosexuals but another social issue - which never could be completed), it does seem a bit silly to assume that people in the eastern social environment can do what people living in western environment do.

cheesoo you go there for the book fair!...

and

what do you think the hordes of maalishyaas that emerge in the evening at busy intersections and around the ghazi mazar do?...hint?...they do far more than johnny walker did in that old classic a la `sar jo mera chakrayay...``

agree with snow...if he had to marry he should marry a lesbian...keep it all in the family...

(sorry this is a serious issue: i don`t feel like being serious today)

Dear NJ,

Your `piece` also raises some questions about your writing skills.

And quit employing the derogatory term `homo` please!!

And finally your piece de resistance:
``After exchanging couple of mails and stating my purpose of this dialogue he agreed to make out with me. ``

Do you even know what this means?? lol

the_happy_one:

welcome back...

...wherever you have been happy you have not been here, happy...and that absence caused unhappiness...such is the card fate dealt...good humour and happiness...or `sense` thereof amidst the desis was carted off across oceans...not divvied up...hence happiness aat seeing happy here...

...first ana, now you...so enlighten the writers about propriety in usage...i go off riding in sunset...happily, might i add

...t


...t

South Asian people outside of South Asia, have a hard time coming to terms with a gay child, within South Asia, especially Pakistan gay people are putting their lives at risk, and the family... well it depends on the kind of family you have.

We live in the UK and my brother came out many years ago, it turned our family upside down. But what was surprising was the support my parents got from their circle of friends, constantly reminded that it wasn`t their fault. Its between the gay person and God. The family can only do so much, though the social stigma the family especially the parents feel, is overwhelming.

the_happy_one #7

it is quite pecular of South Asian ppl to mock the angrezi of other brown ppl. That is one big reason why the overall intellectual level is so low.

``I am not a homosexual and never met any homo. ``

?? Why take the trouble of writing this article then?? How does this matter concern you??

10 by freesoul:

{...it is quite pecular of South Asian ppl to mock the angrezi of other brown ppl. That is one big reason why the overall intellectual level is so low...}

this is very insgihtful...care to elaborate?

...do you think if desis do not indulge in this practice their intellectual level would soar?

...also what theories would you have about the intellectual level of millions of desis who do not comminicate in english?

rgds,

...t

stuka #12

:) good point.

I think he wants to clarify that he has no bias in favor of gays, based on his sexual orientation.

And when he says he never met any homo, it means he is coming with a `clean sheet`.

temporal #11

>>...do you think if desis do not indulge in this practice their intellectual level would soar? <<

atleast ppl will concerntrate on rational arguments to the point. There is some chance there, dont u think?

>>...also what theories would you have about the intellectual level of millions of desis who do not comminicate in english?<<

There is nothing wrong with ppl speaking desi languages.

Throritically, intellectual level or analytical skills of any person has nothing to do with the languages he speaks. However, incidently, being educated in pakistan/india means some sort of english communication skills. So yes, English becomes a criterion of one`s education and hence analytical power. I have no bias against that. But pointing out grammatical mistakes and other minor stuff (when u exactly know what the author wants to say) is low.

freesoul...
speaking as one who made the point about editing...i would not say that it is low. But first of all...the word homo has been used by those who do not care for gays/lesbians/bisexuals/transsexuals in a derisive manner, and so like the happy one..I would object to the use of that term.

Secondly, it is definitely NOT low, to suggest that one check what he/she has written for mistakes, even those of us who write well such as temporal (who i hope will forgive me for using him as an example) has been known to have posts here with errors. The point is not to bring a person down, but merely to suggest (on my part at least) that if one cares so much about getting a point across, then one should also care just as much about how the person gets the point across, regardless of how little or well versed one is in angrezi. And if you still think that is low, to each his or her own.

All this hoopla about ``Khush`` people.

Homosexuality is the least of our current world concerns.

Don`t ask. Don`t tell.

Aur bhi hain gham zamanay mein ``Khushi`` kay siwa.

This unnatural segregation of the sexes in Pakistan and other Muslim

societies is bound to create an environment for this kind of alternate

behaviour.

But then again, all these Khush people in San Francisco?

And we joke about the Frontier?

Ras