Games Generals Play

Nawaid:

``I ll be greatful if someone living in Gujrat can highlight BJP,s performance , i just want to know why Gujrat people still prefer BJP over others specially Congress party with most secular image.``

Historically, in India people have voted on community based lines after periods of communal tension. It is universally acknowledged that governance by BJP has been very poor in Gujarat. However, if historical trends follow through, then the Hindus will vote for a ``Hindu`` party and the Muslims would vote for a ``Secular`` party. Usually Hindu votes are divided, based on a combination of caste and performance issues. However, whenever a communal confalgration takes place, community members tend to come together. Hindus, being the majority, end up voting for a party they feel best represents Hindu interests. In 1984, the Congress won on a wave of symoathy and anti-Sikh sentiment.

``and what about muslim voters, why they are still with BJP or BJP lost them? ``

The Muslims never voted for the BJP, so the BJP does not care about Muslim votes. It`s like the Republicans and the African Americans...neither does anything for the other.

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rsridhar #36 ``So what is your point in posting the article from an Indian newsmagazine?``
I think the point is the same that Jay and some others have been seeking to make over and over again when they post critical articles from Pakistan press: i.e. one-up-man-ship, rather than a genuine concern for the sufferings of the poor people of the subcontinent and for the future of that part of the world.

re: Pakistan-North Korea alliance

Pakistan seems to be making news lately. As always,for the wrong reasons. Pakistan`s quid pro-quo with North korea, wherein former got missiles in return for bartering nuclear secrets to the latter` is a case of perfect marriage. Both sides come out satisfied after a serious engagement.
I always knew Musharraf to be a great ``whore`` who can always satisfy his clients. I, however, am surprised he is not an intelligent but a ``stupid`` whore. Doing this under the very nose of Uncle Sam, using the very transport plane given to Pakis to assist locate Al-quaida, is a stupidity that only Mushy is capable of.
Read the following links (only a few that i post here; google search gives you more than 50) to understand why Pakistan would soon (by soon i mean after this Iraqi business is taken care of) be in deep SH!T and i mean deep SH!T.
http://www.rnw.nl/hotspots/html/pak021126.html
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/134582675_pakkorea24.html
http://www.iht.com/articles/78043.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/24/international/asia/24KORE.html?ex=1038718800&en=ab75b82c5f75e2aa&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE
Even Paki`s favourite Indian journalist Praful Bidwai reluctantly concedes that Pakistan has stretched itself too thin this time around: http://www.antiwar.com/bidwai/bidwai-col.html

What says our Chowk`s General Romair to all this?
Sridhar

re:#24 by faisaluno
No one in his/her right senses will deny Modi`s role in the Gujarat pogrom. So what is your point in posting the article from an Indian newsmagazine? It is good that Modi will be booked in future for his crime. Justice in India is painfully slow. I hope it happens.
sridhar

Ref faisaluno #24

News item:
[KADUNA, Nigeria (Nov. 22) - At least 105 people have been killed in riots in Nigeria stoked by Muslim fury over the country`s staging of the Miss World contest next month, Red Cross officials said on Friday.

More than 500 people have also been injured in the street riots in the northern city of Kaduna, where enraged youths have torched churches and mosques.]

So, it is okay for you mufukka Muslim thugs to kill because somebody said that Prophet Muhammad (he of the 20 wives including 6-year-old Ayesha) might have married a beauty queen but it is not okay for Gujarati Hindus to avenge the killing of 60+ passengers on the train at Godhra?

nawaid #28 I think it is perfectly legitimate to criticize Musharaff, or any other head of state (including someone who became head of state through a more legitimate process than a coup detat) even if people were dancing in the streets when he took over from NS. Musharraf has done some things right (e.g. cozied up with the US, NAB, and so forth) and many things wrong (in my view): Kargill, not cracking down hard on islamists, selective accountability, and so forth. He deserves criticism for that, even if he is a more sincere man than BB, or a smarter chap than NS.

nawaid (post # 30)

sir:

you obviously are not a follower of alon pincus/ benjamin netanyahu/ u.s. congress school of political philosophy. it is not for us to question or even understand the ways of people who live in democracies. for when an individual enters a voting booth, he or she establishes a direct connection to a higher power that gives him or her insights far beyond the understanding of us ordinary mortals. citizens of democracies are therefore guided by the highest ethical and moral principles and any action they undertake is only for the betterment of humankind. narendra modi’s action must be seen in this light. voters in gujrat are simply rewarding him for upholding justice in the face of savage attacks. it should also be obvious that people who write reports criticizing him, like the people who were questioning the shopping mall incident are in the clutch of evil. hope narendra modi has the strength to fight on.

#30 nawaid

I wouldn`t be so sure that Gujarat will be a BJP victory. Modi will probably slip through (shame ! shame !) and be returned to spread his poison. But I think otherwise that the Congress will give him a good run for the money. Many analysts think it will break at 50-50.

24#faisaluno

{The report is very clear on Modi`s role. ``Chief minister Narendra Modi is the chief author and architect of all that happened in Gujarat }

but it seems, Gujrat people not going to believe that, its clear that BJP going to win next month elections with good margin. In world`s biggest secualr democracy Hinduism card is working effectively for BJP.

Yesterday in HardTalk Yashwant Sinha refused to accept any human rights or foreign govt report on Gujrat`s riots and role of chief minister, and was more willing to dicuss the role of Mufti Saeed and ISI . He even refused to call Gujrat massacre as massacre, he was showing more satisfaction that death numbers are not in two thousands but its only 790 something.

I ll be greatful if someone living in Gujrat can highlight BJP,s performance , i just want to know why Gujrat people still prefer BJP over others specially Congress party with most secular image. and what about muslim voters, why they are still with BJP or BJP lost them?

sadna #27

On this one I am with faisaluno. He is suggesting that Modi is an ISI agent! Heh, heh, I have often suggested this angle as well.

There could be no better characterization of this slime-ball. With ``leaders`` like this, the ISI might as well declare victory and disband.

#25 by tahmed32
Actually i was`nt talking about their corruption etc as i am not aware of any charges agaisnt them. may b officially no charges coz army is protecting Ijaz and Akhtar, but i cant understand BBs 5 year of rule in two terms,,,, why PPP didnt file any corruption charges against them as done against NS. After all Ijaz is son of Zia who is responsible for Bhutto`s execution.......May be BB was also afraid of Army......if this is te case then why blame Army and Mushraf for all mess.

BBC always use this line in news`` Gen Mushraf took power in bloodless coup three years ago``.......

nobody is realising why it always bloodless coup in Pakistan,,,,why people come out on street to dance rather then to protest on army takeovers.

these days PML(N) is becoming the champion of democracy and every body from the party including Raja Zafar (who is also a production of Zia) is criticising Mr Mushraf but no body asking a single question from NS who provided army a chance to take over and ran away from the country. I should give all credit to Asif Zaradi who spent last 7 & half years out of 10 in Jail, irrespective of what facilities he has in there, Jail is always Jail. and BABA JAHMORIAT , Nawabzada sending message of thanks to Mr NS.

its intresting that people of Paksitan blame Mushraf all the time and Ch Shujat who always lined up with army got 100,000 votes in election and he will continue to win more elections, might become new PM.

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faisaluno #24
You seem a bit of a lost soul so let me take pity and explain.

Noone blames the ISI for the Gujarat riots. On the contrary an election campaign is being fought which Modi is trying win by taking credit for the riots while also disowning all responsibility for the same riots at the same time. The Outlook and a number of people are trying to nail him to prevent him from doing that. Get it?

The incident for which ISI is blamed by a number of people, is the Godhra incident which just preceded the riots, ie, the incident in which 58 train passengers were burnt to death in a town called Godhra when a mob was stoning their train.

When one quotes the Indian press, its best to know why one is quoting it.

nawaid #19 While Ijazulhaq and Akhtar may have been MNAs in the past, that is no reason not to subject them to accountability and make them cough up their stolen wealth.
Nawaz Sharif and BB (to name the two most prominent people) have in the past been prime ministers and as such, by your reasoning, that would be enough to exempt them from corruption charges and make them eligible to run for office and become prime ministers again. I hope you see the defect in your reasoning.

felicitations to isi for planting moles in the upper echelons of indian society.

http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20021202&fname=Tribunal+%28F%29&sid=1

Truth is like water. You can`t hold it back forever. It was in the June 3
issue that Outlook broke the story of a meeting on the night of February 27 at Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi`s official residence. Godhra had happened that day. Present at the meeting were senior ias and IPS officials. Modi told those present that a Hindu reaction to the Godhra train carnage was to be expected and that no one should come in the way of this backlash. The Outlook report was outright denied by Modi. But the controversial meeting at the CM`s residence has now been confirmed. An eight-memberinquiry commission-the Concerned Citizens Tribunal-which includes former judges of the Supreme and High Courts and retired IPS officials, released its findings in Ahmedabad on November 21, and it has confirmed the meeting.

The tribunal`s report also speaks of another similar meeting on the same
night in the backward Panchmahals district where the ``strategy of mass
murder, that was to follow, was chalked out in the presence of two ministers of the Modi cabinet``.

---The report is very clear on Modi`s role. ``Chief minister Narendra Modi is the chief author and architect of all that happened in Gujarat after the
arson of February 27, 2002. It is amply clear from all the evidence placed
before the tribunal that what began in Godhra could have, given the
political will, been controlled promptly at Godhra itself. Instead, the
state government under Shri Narendra Modi took an active part in leading and sponsoring the violence against minorities all over Gujarat. His words and actions throughout the developments in Gujarat show that he has been openly defying the Constitution and indulging in actions which are positively detrimental to the interests of the country