Games Generals Play

faisaluno #16 Your cross-reference to your post on this board brings me here. you say ``mush on the other hand, while deserving gobs of criticism for being very timid on the political front does deserve credit for bringing about a semblance of sanity to the economic house. ``
mush is timid on the political front? He is timid LIKE A FOX: He has kept the spectre of the mullah alive, thus ensuring support from the west and from most pakistanis (who, like you, fault him on being timid when in fact you should fault him for playing with fire - i.e. islamic neanderthals - in order to stay in power).
He did put the fear of god on some looters of pakistan, but spared sons of fellow military generals (Zia`s son, Akhtar`s son) and some chosen others (at least one has made minister I see in this new govt). Aside from this gripe, I agree that he has done a good job of putting at least some thugs in the slammer and/or gotten them to cough up what they swallowed. The economy is moving? It is moving indeed - like a painted ship upon a painted ocean (to borrow lines from Coleridge).

{but spared sons of fellow military generals (Zia`s son, Akhtar`s son) and some chosen others (at least one has made minister I see in this new govt}.

you are right in your analysis, but for above, Ijaz and Humayon are sitting MNA since 1988, how can you blame Mushi for bringing them into assembly. the reason i can see (which may not be true) Humayon being in cabinet , he is the only sitting MNA of PML(Q) from Lahore, all other MNAs from Lahore belong to PML(N), PPP & MMA. Lahore is Pakistan number two city and few say its also Pakistan`s heart.it always had representation in cabinet. For Khi after MQM refusal PML(Q) has no choice, again MMA, and PPP are other parties. i dont recall any previous cabinet without a minister belongs to Khi.....may be after sanate elections(if Govt last by tht time) some one would join.

``General Yahya Khan was a soldier of wine and roses.``

when filmstar Tarana was visitng Presidency, she was stopped at the gate by the gurads for not having clearance and couple of them misbehaved to her, however, after her visit to President Yahya, she received full salute from guards. They knew now Trana has beocme Qaumi Trana (national anthem) and salute is necessary.

In Yahya`s time, most famous gernal was Gernal Rani and Madam Noorjehan was serving as Chief of Staff.

Yesterday Mushi distributed white paper and folders in Jamali`s cabinet meeting ,so all ministers can go through to his last 3 years performance and details of ongoing projects. That is one of the reason for Sheda Tali (Sheikh Rasheed) to form Govt`s media policy based on Mushi`s instructions rather then of Jamali`s, as he mentioned in his TV interview.

Off the record he revealed that folder handed over to Jamali by Mushi contains comrehensive diet and exercise program so Jami can lose some fats. Mush made it crystal clear that pulling back his tushi should be Jamali`s first priority as PM.

Hey Sameer -- did u write this column in Dawn about Musharraf Ghaznavi? -- r u the `Onlooker`??

Here it is:

Musharraf`s sand castle

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let me make it very clear, every one of the elected representative in the National Assembly, no matter to which party he/she belonged or how he/she got elected, has behaved most responsibly against the heaviest of odds put in the member`s way by the military regime of President General Pervez Musharraf which continues to insist on holding on to power no matter through what underhand method.

All those who voted for the Speaker, the Deputy Speaker and the Prime Minister and those who opposed them inside the House are all honourable people.

Compared to President Musharraf even Faisal Saleh Hayat seems to have behaved highly responsibly and honourably because had it not been for him and his bloc, Musharraf`s castle of sand would have simply collapsed within no time sending this nation on another journey into the unknown.

Faisal has put at stake everything in which he had believed in all these years and everything for which he had stood for along with the PPP leadership since he was elected to the parliament in 1977 on a PPP ticket. Of course, in return he and his friends were rewarded with some high profile ministries.

But by doing what he did, Faisal seems to have forfeited his future in electoral politics.

However, with his sacrifice he seems to have saved the country from further chaos which President Musharraf had already promised that he would cause when on August 24 he had warned while talking to media personalities what he would do if the future parliament did not accept him with his uniform.

Even those like the Chaudhry brothers and their PML-Q cabal, Farooq Leghari and his NA clan, and the MQM cult in the final analysis seem to have behaved much more responsibly and honourably than the President

because unlike Musharraf who refuses to see what he is doing to the country by holding the nation hostage to his own whims these politicians seem to have preferred to make costly political adjustments in order to retrieve the country from the depths that the Army leadership is trying to push it into.

And, of course, hats off to the MMA, the PPP and the PML-N.

Despite collectively possessing a mandate far more weighty than Musharraf`s own, these parties have made it very clear through their actions since the NA came into being that they would not do anything on their own to destabilize the elected government whose majority is completely dependent on the opposition.

The PPP, after the PML-N, has lost the most in the drama that Musharraf staged on October 10 and then on November 19 and 21.

But despite having emerged as the second largest party and despite having polled more votes than the PML-Q, the PPP`s leadership did not bargain for any relief for Zardari or Benazir Bhutto.

In fact it has preferred to allow the King`s alliance to form the government rather than enter into politically costly deals in return for an illusionary power with the Army constantly breathing down its neck.
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However, if you think you can escape a charge just because you committed an illegality at a time when the relevant law was suspended, you are sadly mistaken.
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Any Bachaa Saqqa can perform this sleight of hand. But he can hardly escape the long arm of law by conjuring up `artificialities` like forward blocs and rewarding almost every one of the bloc with a ministerial slot.

Attempts at passing off all these `artificialities` as new realities can hardly wash.

The tell-tale evidence of the unconstitutionality is all there for every one to see.

How can you look up at the President and not see his uniform?

How can you look at the parliament and not see its impotence vis-a-vis a serving COAS who refuses to allow the elected representatives of the 140 million people the power to go through the constitutional amendments made by one single individual who gets his salary from the taxpayers` contribution.

And how can you look at Faisal Saleh Hayat and not be reminded of horse trading?

These are just three questions which would take you back again and again into the dark alleys of LFO.

On Saturday the President advised the new parliament to forget about how it came into being and how sovereign it is and instead get on with what he called `nation building` work. Good advice.

But why can`t he himself take this advice for the sake of Pakistan and if he actually believes in his own slogan of `Pakistan First`.

What, however, he wants to achieve through this loaded advice is this: Now that I have obtained for myself the label of democracy, I would like the world to play the ostrich on issues like

my uniform,
my extra-constitutional powers and
my complicity in the on-going horse trading.
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His predecessors too had followed the same story line but failed miserably before long to escape the long arm of law.
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Well, Musharraf has travelled thus far `successfully` with the help of a pliable judiciary and by framing self-serving laws.

But, now that an elected parliament is in place, it is to be seen how long can he keep himself above the law of the land. -- Onlooker
(DAWN)

the moral of the story --

Ghaznavi`s Goose is cooked -- this Mahmood will not escape the LAW this time -- he WILL BE prosecuted for continued vandalizing of the Temple of Democracy -- only a matter of time --

smells a lot of Chowk -- doesn`t it:-)

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nasah #20 I think the next couple of years will be a struggle for power between musharaff and the parliament. Let us see who fires whom this time around.

GAMES PAKISTANIS PLAY

Demise of sovereignty



The United States recently executed Mir Aimal Kasi. That he was a murderer might be true, but the way he had been captured in Pakistan by the FBI was quite objectionable.

The question arises: can Pakistan arrest wanted criminals in the US without bypassing American laws? Clearly, the incident could be termed the demise of our sovereignty.

M. TAHIR GURCHANI

Islamabad

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We, the students of a Karachi school, express our sorrow at the unfair execution of Mir Aimal Kasi. His execution was inhuman and should be condemned by all.

That the FBI was allowed to arrest Kasi and take him to the US without following any due process of law and in the absence of any extradition treaty between Pakistan and the US is all the more shocking. It can safely be said that Kasi was in fact kidnapped by the FBI. How many innocent Pakistanis will suffer in this manner before our conscience awakes?

SAD STUDENTS

Karachi
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aBOVE IS FROM DAWN OF TODAY.

The ones who wrote the above letters are the educated pf pakistan. What one can see is the same mindset that is on chowk, the posts of romair that support jihadic killings in the name of human rights, the urstrulies who find the jihadic fight as low cost military operation, modern progressive words to support the essentially barbaric traditions of killing the kafirs in the name of religion.

Here we have another two romairs, clothing barbarism as violation of sovereignity, the same outrage of temporal about the shootimg to death of pakistanis involved in killigs in india.
What these pakistanis should remeber is the case of omar sheikh. The stupid indian laws put this killer of german tourists in prison in india, he was released through a hijack operation. The great jihadist of omar went on to kill daniel pearl in pakistan.

The games that pakistanis play cannot appreciate that omar were shot dead in a shopping centre in delhi, may be many will not be killed in pakistan. The final proof came in the resolution by the newly elected pak paliment in honouring the great shaheed. What is pathetic is according to the social values of pakistan kasi wanted ti get killed and all that americans have done is to deliver him to the heaven.

The games that pakistanis play has to have the pretence of modernity, the question of soverignity while the most celebrate the martyrdom, delivered to kasi by the americans.

felicitations to isi for planting moles in the upper echelons of indian society.

http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20021202&fname=Tribunal+%28F%29&sid=1

Truth is like water. You can`t hold it back forever. It was in the June 3
issue that Outlook broke the story of a meeting on the night of February 27 at Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi`s official residence. Godhra had happened that day. Present at the meeting were senior ias and IPS officials. Modi told those present that a Hindu reaction to the Godhra train carnage was to be expected and that no one should come in the way of this backlash. The Outlook report was outright denied by Modi. But the controversial meeting at the CM`s residence has now been confirmed. An eight-memberinquiry commission-the Concerned Citizens Tribunal-which includes former judges of the Supreme and High Courts and retired IPS officials, released its findings in Ahmedabad on November 21, and it has confirmed the meeting.

The tribunal`s report also speaks of another similar meeting on the same
night in the backward Panchmahals district where the ``strategy of mass
murder, that was to follow, was chalked out in the presence of two ministers of the Modi cabinet``.

---The report is very clear on Modi`s role. ``Chief minister Narendra Modi is the chief author and architect of all that happened in Gujarat after the
arson of February 27, 2002. It is amply clear from all the evidence placed
before the tribunal that what began in Godhra could have, given the
political will, been controlled promptly at Godhra itself. Instead, the
state government under Shri Narendra Modi took an active part in leading and sponsoring the violence against minorities all over Gujarat. His words and actions throughout the developments in Gujarat show that he has been openly defying the Constitution and indulging in actions which are positively detrimental to the interests of the country

nawaid #19 While Ijazulhaq and Akhtar may have been MNAs in the past, that is no reason not to subject them to accountability and make them cough up their stolen wealth.
Nawaz Sharif and BB (to name the two most prominent people) have in the past been prime ministers and as such, by your reasoning, that would be enough to exempt them from corruption charges and make them eligible to run for office and become prime ministers again. I hope you see the defect in your reasoning.

faisaluno #24
You seem a bit of a lost soul so let me take pity and explain.

Noone blames the ISI for the Gujarat riots. On the contrary an election campaign is being fought which Modi is trying win by taking credit for the riots while also disowning all responsibility for the same riots at the same time. The Outlook and a number of people are trying to nail him to prevent him from doing that. Get it?

The incident for which ISI is blamed by a number of people, is the Godhra incident which just preceded the riots, ie, the incident in which 58 train passengers were burnt to death in a town called Godhra when a mob was stoning their train.

When one quotes the Indian press, its best to know why one is quoting it.

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#25 by tahmed32
Actually i was`nt talking about their corruption etc as i am not aware of any charges agaisnt them. may b officially no charges coz army is protecting Ijaz and Akhtar, but i cant understand BBs 5 year of rule in two terms,,,, why PPP didnt file any corruption charges against them as done against NS. After all Ijaz is son of Zia who is responsible for Bhutto`s execution.......May be BB was also afraid of Army......if this is te case then why blame Army and Mushraf for all mess.

BBC always use this line in news`` Gen Mushraf took power in bloodless coup three years ago``.......

nobody is realising why it always bloodless coup in Pakistan,,,,why people come out on street to dance rather then to protest on army takeovers.

these days PML(N) is becoming the champion of democracy and every body from the party including Raja Zafar (who is also a production of Zia) is criticising Mr Mushraf but no body asking a single question from NS who provided army a chance to take over and ran away from the country. I should give all credit to Asif Zaradi who spent last 7 & half years out of 10 in Jail, irrespective of what facilities he has in there, Jail is always Jail. and BABA JAHMORIAT , Nawabzada sending message of thanks to Mr NS.

its intresting that people of Paksitan blame Mushraf all the time and Ch Shujat who always lined up with army got 100,000 votes in election and he will continue to win more elections, might become new PM.

sadna #27

On this one I am with faisaluno. He is suggesting that Modi is an ISI agent! Heh, heh, I have often suggested this angle as well.

There could be no better characterization of this slime-ball. With ``leaders`` like this, the ISI might as well declare victory and disband.

24#faisaluno

{The report is very clear on Modi`s role. ``Chief minister Narendra Modi is the chief author and architect of all that happened in Gujarat }

but it seems, Gujrat people not going to believe that, its clear that BJP going to win next month elections with good margin. In world`s biggest secualr democracy Hinduism card is working effectively for BJP.

Yesterday in HardTalk Yashwant Sinha refused to accept any human rights or foreign govt report on Gujrat`s riots and role of chief minister, and was more willing to dicuss the role of Mufti Saeed and ISI . He even refused to call Gujrat massacre as massacre, he was showing more satisfaction that death numbers are not in two thousands but its only 790 something.

I ll be greatful if someone living in Gujrat can highlight BJP,s performance , i just want to know why Gujrat people still prefer BJP over others specially Congress party with most secular image. and what about muslim voters, why they are still with BJP or BJP lost them?

#30 nawaid

I wouldn`t be so sure that Gujarat will be a BJP victory. Modi will probably slip through (shame ! shame !) and be returned to spread his poison. But I think otherwise that the Congress will give him a good run for the money. Many analysts think it will break at 50-50.

nawaid (post # 30)

sir:

you obviously are not a follower of alon pincus/ benjamin netanyahu/ u.s. congress school of political philosophy. it is not for us to question or even understand the ways of people who live in democracies. for when an individual enters a voting booth, he or she establishes a direct connection to a higher power that gives him or her insights far beyond the understanding of us ordinary mortals. citizens of democracies are therefore guided by the highest ethical and moral principles and any action they undertake is only for the betterment of humankind. narendra modi’s action must be seen in this light. voters in gujrat are simply rewarding him for upholding justice in the face of savage attacks. it should also be obvious that people who write reports criticizing him, like the people who were questioning the shopping mall incident are in the clutch of evil. hope narendra modi has the strength to fight on.