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``You can beat your wife, so sayeth Allah``

Uhh, Keshto, I really don`t know which part of the world u belong to, but Koranic verses are all supported and explained by Hadith of the Prophet. The beating in this verse, for instance, is explained as: ``a slight nudging that should not leave a mark on the woman`s body, permanent or temporary`` Bukhari, Muslim
So, technically, Islam does not allow u to hit your wife so as to sting her skin even!

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saminashah:

apologies for not making clear that my remarks were not directed at you personally. i just wanted to make a point that criticism from abroad often does more harm than good especially when religion is painted as primary cause of backwardness. as you are probably aware, majority of the women in pakistan have to overcome great obstacles to do simple things like get an education or if they are lucky, get a job. religion is often a source of strength for these people. defining progress as absence of religion only alienates people who need support.

also the world is getting smaller. i can bet that the reality show will be on cable tv in pakistan pretty soon after its broadcast in the u.s. most people in pak don’t know enough about the u.s. to distinguish between a t.v. program and reality. shows like these only reinforce message women see on ptv dramas. who is there to teach women in pakistan that landing the right man is not the only path to salvation.

Faisaluno

Hey, you brought up the article...I also wouldn`t assume that we can afford Merlot ourselves and are not engaged in activist orgs. That would be a grave mistake.

FJ
Charlatan.

see how they rant and rave when a lowly muslim male from a backward jihadic state like pakistan (born in north nazimabad no less) dares to comment upon the values of a modern multicultural, multiethnic, pluralistic, progressive, and tolerant america. actually i admit my remark stemmed from a sense of frustration arising out of loss of power. i recognize that my days of repressing muslim women are over now that their cause is taken up by people who previously spent their time discussing the merits of a bottle of wine whose cost would feed a family of four for a week in the old world. too bad these people were not around to advise macom x. who knows what he would achieved by now had not gone astray. as for me, i am going back to dreaming about the 72 virgins.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/08/books/08MALC.html

In impressions he recorded during his hajj, or pilgrimage, to Mecca in April 1964, for example, Malcolm X describes his shock at seeing Muslims of different ethnic backgrounds and skin colors. ``People with blue eyes & blond hair, bowing in complete submission to Allah beside those with black skin and kinky hair,`` he wrote. Elsewhere he noted he was ``not conscious of color (race) for the first time in my life.``
Upon his return to the United States, Malcolm X, whose original surname was Little, changed his name again, to el-Hajj Malik el-Shabazz, and founded the Organization of Afro-American Unity to promote the rights of blacks of all faiths.

sobia, weak because she needs crutches. Smokes, needs premarital relationships to fulfil voids in her.

faraa, my sympathies are with women who have really suffered RAPE, meaning they had to endure something they never foresaw coming or they were not privy to actions leading upto that RAPE beforehand. In cases like ``date rape``, often a euphemism for sex where the woman eventually decides she no longer likes the guy anymore, they do not deserve much sympathy. These women have their self-pity to comfort them, like you pointed out. ``Date rape`` ``victims`` have consciously dated and allowed themselves to get into that position most of the time. Had they not sold their morals openly already, they would not have guilty pangs leading to self-pity later. Genuine RAPE victims do not make an issue out of what they have suffered because they want to get on with their lives and often have the determination to do so, though really they are the ones who should be constantly screaming murder.

re:44

And there you are ladies and gentlemen, by using an example of really bad American t.v. programming, it is proven that gender assault in Pakistan does not exist, and Pakistan is indeed the perfect society...what can I say, yoga teachers roll up your mats and pay respects to those whose logic outlimbers the Kundalini.

fear not desi women. paleface is coming to the rescue.

http://atrios.blogspot.com/2003_01_05_atrios_archive.html#90160860

ARE YOU READY TO BE ON NBC’S NEWEST REALITY TV SHOW?


TENNER PASKAL & RUDNICKE CASTING IS LOOKING FOR ATTRACTIVE
SINGLE MEN & WOMEN TO AUDITION
FOR NBC’S NEWEST TV REALITY SHOW
“AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DATES”


*The premise of the show is one lucky eligible man will travel around the world on a private jet in order to meet the love of his life. His journey will begin in New York City. There he will meet 20 fabulous single women from around the United States. He will select several American women to continue on the journey with him as he travels to other romantic international cities. In each local he will be introduced to other women who will compete for his love. Five finalists of his choosing will return to the states with him for a final decision and they will share Prize money as they continue their relationship.

MEN SHOULD BE 26-34 YRS OLD & CAUCASIAN
AND
WOMEN SHOULD BE 21-34 YRS OLD & ANY ETHNICITY
Those interested should bring a non-returnable picture.

Brother Hamid,

Its much worse than that; not only must I teach classes of adults of both genders sans chador/hijab/separating curtain, because the country of plurality I live in think its unnecessary to do so, but I am forced to look at issues, subjects, interpretations OUTSIDE of the Q`uran!
Actually, on a humorous notes my colleagues and I sometimes compare notes on different kinds of students. One of my colleagues, a brilliant, lovely and devastingly witty African American Ph.D candidate has had a Nigerian student alienate every female in the room by insisting that most of the troubles of the world are caused by the lack of Urstruly`s Law of Fire Brigade, and submitted a paper using the Bible as a scholarly source to argue that abortion is immoral. I had a Chinese student, a bright young woman, who cared enough about my soul to bring in her Jehovah Witnesses publications, the Watchtower, for me to peruse. My colleagues and I have to clarify at the beg. of each semester that in essay genres/research papers writing, religious texts, Nostradamus, etc. are NOT considered sources of interrogation in the issues they choose to write about. Or as my colleague irritably puts it to her Holy Rollers, ``Clearly the Bible isnt the end all be all; if the Bible had the answers to everything, we wouldnt have to be in this class researching different ideas and interpretations to issues would we? Now get your backside to the library and do some work!`` , which I take pretty much as the last word on that subject...