Nighat Yasmeen November 27, 2002
#1 Posted by aaria on November 27, 2002 11:39:38 am
Interesting, but I think Pakistanis are far from helpless. History is just too repetitive, different name, same story.
This was one of the best thoughtout and well formatted articles I have read in a long time. A job well done!
This was one of the best thoughtout and well formatted articles I have read in a long time. A job well done!
#2 Posted by rozaiba on November 27, 2002 11:39:38 am
The pimps! the pimps are worse!
as for a forward bloc, should we expect some pimps to grow a consciounce? a pimp`s mutiny to emerge?
as for a forward bloc, should we expect some pimps to grow a consciounce? a pimp`s mutiny to emerge?
#3 Posted by tahmed32 on November 27, 2002 11:58:08 am
Your article seems to indicate that you are not totally happy with Musharraf Bonaparte? Indeed, it can easily be construed to be instigation of the peasants on chowk, and High Treason!! You are sentenced to 14 years RI in the Khera Salt Mines (Women`s Section)!!
#4 Posted by temporal on November 27, 2002 12:16:34 pm
Nighat:
Welcome to chowk…a good first effort…please continue speaking out…
(if you are new here, please ignore long, rambling and rambunctious tunnel-visioned response from the Pak Army’s lonely few supporters in the diaspora that will surface here shortly)
…in Unraveling Pakistan have suggested taking on the brave Pak Army from another angle…
…bibi, the problem is the army…it has to be removed in its entirety from the equation…
…the Pak Army cannot be part of any solution…it has to go…away…
…t
Welcome to chowk…a good first effort…please continue speaking out…
(if you are new here, please ignore long, rambling and rambunctious tunnel-visioned response from the Pak Army’s lonely few supporters in the diaspora that will surface here shortly)
…in Unraveling Pakistan have suggested taking on the brave Pak Army from another angle…
…bibi, the problem is the army…it has to be removed in its entirety from the equation…
…the Pak Army cannot be part of any solution…it has to go…away…
…t
#5 Posted by nawaid on November 27, 2002 12:16:34 pm
Nighat ! welcome to chowk
very well written piece, .....For Chowk staff, i know its thanksgiving, but do we have to stuffed with all Paksitan Army related articles and posts.This one is third in one week time and we are already dying reading neighbourhood posts, give it a break....put more something like Sohail Rana and towards Ramzan stuff.
[Just for putting the record straight, Musharraf’s so-called favourite “silent majority” clearly voted against him in the last election,]
Silent majority remained silent on Election Day and preferred to stayed at home specially in cities.
One thing i assure you may b Mushraf will endup like Ayub or Zia but fagots like Faisal & Rao`ll keep winning their seats with high margin.
very well written piece, .....For Chowk staff, i know its thanksgiving, but do we have to stuffed with all Paksitan Army related articles and posts.This one is third in one week time and we are already dying reading neighbourhood posts, give it a break....put more something like Sohail Rana and towards Ramzan stuff.
[Just for putting the record straight, Musharraf’s so-called favourite “silent majority” clearly voted against him in the last election,]
Silent majority remained silent on Election Day and preferred to stayed at home specially in cities.
One thing i assure you may b Mushraf will endup like Ayub or Zia but fagots like Faisal & Rao`ll keep winning their seats with high margin.
#6 Posted by Urstruly on November 27, 2002 12:40:46 pm
Jeez.......phew!!!!
You are some frustrated houswife....tauba.
#7 Posted by arjun_m on November 27, 2002 1:47:11 pm
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#8 Posted by freesoul on November 27, 2002 2:37:56 pm
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Ask yourself, what is a bigger and more deplorable sin: to be a prostitute or to be a pimp? Likewise, who bears the ultimate responsibility for the revival of horse-trading: the horses or the traders?
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Well, prostitution is not deplorabale. Pimps and prostitutes r both important for sex industry, and sex is important for human beings. It is just the unprincipled business that is deploarable. That is y I ask govts to legalise prostitution, and make them accountable.
And this is the problem with pak army. They r not accountable to anyone except white house. And Bush and co have their own prioritties.
Barring the offenisve use of prostitution example, nice article, though.
Ask yourself, what is a bigger and more deplorable sin: to be a prostitute or to be a pimp? Likewise, who bears the ultimate responsibility for the revival of horse-trading: the horses or the traders?
<<<<
Well, prostitution is not deplorabale. Pimps and prostitutes r both important for sex industry, and sex is important for human beings. It is just the unprincipled business that is deploarable. That is y I ask govts to legalise prostitution, and make them accountable.
And this is the problem with pak army. They r not accountable to anyone except white house. And Bush and co have their own prioritties.
Barring the offenisve use of prostitution example, nice article, though.
#9 Posted by arjun_m on November 27, 2002 2:37:56 pm
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#11 Posted by temporal on November 27, 2002 4:18:14 pm
JUST TO KEEP THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE PART III
The Astounding List of Khaki Stakes in Pakistan
A look at the Army’s economic interests in this country would prove that it has an institutional clash with democratic institutions.
Here is a list of these interests:
- Largest economic investment group: Army Welfare Trust;
- Largest goods transport system: National Logistics Cell;
- Largest media managers: Inter Services Public Relations and Askari Information Systems Limited;
- Largest bank-financing conductor and monitoring group: Askari Bank/Financing Ltd
- Largest industrial network: defence production; cement; fertilisers; textiles; footwear; engineering goods; power distribution network;
- Largest (strategic) petroleum and related products consumer, storing manager, distributor and investor;
- Largest construction network (Frontier Works Organisation);
- Largest stocks-holder on stock exchanges on account of the above plus share-buying network;
- Largest land-owner: every 15 kilometre a garrison; each large town having a Defence Housing Society; all retired Army officers holding agricultural land allotted on retirement;
- Largest education network: National Defence College, National University of Science and Technology, 13 Cadet Colleges, numerous Army Public Schools;
- Largest health marketing group: Combined Military Hospitals system; Army Medical Corps;
- Largest research and development (R&D) investors/mangers;
- Largest employer (both in Army, AWT/FWO and Army’s economic networks);
- Largest income-distributor;
- Largest lawgiver: Army’s legal (Jack) branch;
- Largest political network (ISI/MI/FIU);
- Largest electioneering group (retired Army officers and the Club they manage);
- Largest serving bureaucracy group: 21 percent Army officers’ induction in civilian set up.
If you analyse the above carefully, these conclusions are inevitable:
- No taxation can take place without Army’s interest held supreme;
- No legislation can be carried out without safeguarding Army’s interest;
- No investment is safer than buying Army’s stocks;
- No investor can operate independent of Army’s “sensitive” interests;
- No politicians can conceive policies against these vital interests;
- No civilian government can get elected or operate without Army’s consent in all spheres;
full article at:
http://www.satribune.com/archives/nov25_dec1_02/opinion_journalistarmy.htm
____________________________
JUST TO KEEP THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE PART I
http://63.194.130.82/cgi-bin/show_article.cgi?aid=00001541&channel=civic%20center&start=60&end=69&page=7&chapter=1#51
____________________________
JUST TO KEEP THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE PART II
http://63.194.130.82/cgi-bin/show_article.cgi?aid=00001541&channel=civic%20center&start=60&end=69&page=7&chapter=1#52
____________________________
sac, where is our friend?
...t
The Astounding List of Khaki Stakes in Pakistan
A look at the Army’s economic interests in this country would prove that it has an institutional clash with democratic institutions.
Here is a list of these interests:
- Largest economic investment group: Army Welfare Trust;
- Largest goods transport system: National Logistics Cell;
- Largest media managers: Inter Services Public Relations and Askari Information Systems Limited;
- Largest bank-financing conductor and monitoring group: Askari Bank/Financing Ltd
- Largest industrial network: defence production; cement; fertilisers; textiles; footwear; engineering goods; power distribution network;
- Largest (strategic) petroleum and related products consumer, storing manager, distributor and investor;
- Largest construction network (Frontier Works Organisation);
- Largest stocks-holder on stock exchanges on account of the above plus share-buying network;
- Largest land-owner: every 15 kilometre a garrison; each large town having a Defence Housing Society; all retired Army officers holding agricultural land allotted on retirement;
- Largest education network: National Defence College, National University of Science and Technology, 13 Cadet Colleges, numerous Army Public Schools;
- Largest health marketing group: Combined Military Hospitals system; Army Medical Corps;
- Largest research and development (R&D) investors/mangers;
- Largest employer (both in Army, AWT/FWO and Army’s economic networks);
- Largest income-distributor;
- Largest lawgiver: Army’s legal (Jack) branch;
- Largest political network (ISI/MI/FIU);
- Largest electioneering group (retired Army officers and the Club they manage);
- Largest serving bureaucracy group: 21 percent Army officers’ induction in civilian set up.
If you analyse the above carefully, these conclusions are inevitable:
- No taxation can take place without Army’s interest held supreme;
- No legislation can be carried out without safeguarding Army’s interest;
- No investment is safer than buying Army’s stocks;
- No investor can operate independent of Army’s “sensitive” interests;
- No politicians can conceive policies against these vital interests;
- No civilian government can get elected or operate without Army’s consent in all spheres;
full article at:
http://www.satribune.com/archives/nov25_dec1_02/opinion_journalistarmy.htm
____________________________
JUST TO KEEP THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE PART I
http://63.194.130.82/cgi-bin/show_article.cgi?aid=00001541&channel=civic%20center&start=60&end=69&page=7&chapter=1#51
____________________________
JUST TO KEEP THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE PART II
http://63.194.130.82/cgi-bin/show_article.cgi?aid=00001541&channel=civic%20center&start=60&end=69&page=7&chapter=1#52
____________________________
sac, where is our friend?
...t
#12 Posted by Tipu on November 27, 2002 4:18:14 pm
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#15 Posted by harimau on November 27, 2002 6:26:51 pm
[The writer is a simple housewife with no extraordinary academic credentials, but refuses to be a passive spectator anymore...]
How come the Pakistani womenfolk have their heads screwed on right whereas the menfolk are generally (with a few exceptions) seen to be foaming at the mouth and ranting and raving? Could it be that girls do not get as much religious instruction as boys do? Perhaps we should all thank Allah and Al-Kitab for the misogyny of the mullahs if that means that 52% of the population of Pakistan is sane.
How come the Pakistani womenfolk have their heads screwed on right whereas the menfolk are generally (with a few exceptions) seen to be foaming at the mouth and ranting and raving? Could it be that girls do not get as much religious instruction as boys do? Perhaps we should all thank Allah and Al-Kitab for the misogyny of the mullahs if that means that 52% of the population of Pakistan is sane.
#16 Posted by faisaluno on November 27, 2002 6:26:52 pm
any moment now, someone is going to post the wp article
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