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More examples of pious muslims going around enforcing Allahs ``teachings``.

Militants kill 3 girls in Rajouri for NOT wearing burkha.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/xml/comp/articleshow?artid=31847075

``Posters signed by a little known group, Lashkar-e-Jabbar, an off-shoot of the Lashker-e-Taiba, had been appearing in educational institutions in Rajouri district for the past one week asking Muslim women and girls to wear burqas and strictly follow the ``purdah`` system.``

#6 Sadna:

Islamists condemn attacks on non-muslims. seriously! same way, taliban ambassador to Pakistan ``condimed`` attack on 9/11 but then, omar didn`t care to turn over osama.

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Hope this stinging indictment from a fellow muslim intellectual have some effect on muslim elite everywhere.

http://www.dawn.com/weekly/mazdak/mazdak.htm

When will we ever learn?

Excerpts:
1. ``....Another reason why Muslims have double standards when it comes to human rights and common decency is that we are an intolerant people and rarely brook dissenting voices or differing opinions. Indeed, the public expression of other beliefs is strictly prohibited. Pakistanis feel there is nothing wrong in proselytizing abroad, but will not allow foreigners the same religious freedom here.... ``

2.``....Muslim institutions and groups will freely use (and abuse) all the freedoms allowed to them in the West, but hate and despise the liberal civilization that has produced these very liberties. Listen to a Muslim intellectual, mulla or politician and you will hear a litany of complaints and criticism against western sins of omission and commission, past and present. Ask him where he wants to send his children to university, and if he is honest, he will reel off the names of the top American universities. ....``

3. ``...Unless this attitude changes, the Muslim world will continue to stagnate. ``

#20 by AAmir
//EVEN I SITTING 10000 Miles away from India KNOW MILITANTS WANT BURQA NOT FOR RELIGION BUT TO CAMAFLOUGE THEMSELVES WITH BURQA THEMSELVES ... press want to lump all of those political fight on the billion adherent of Islam as Guilt...//

Look at this guy`s pathetic excuses for murderers and bare-faced lies that is so typical of muslim elites these days. Who cares what just ``cause`` these terrorists espouse!!!

Because of people like you - muslim world has very less chance of getting out of the morass they find themselves in.

http://www.hinduonnet.com/stories/2002122105710101.htm

Dara Singh`s mother honoured


NEW DELHI, DEC. 20. In an apparent endorsement of Dara Singh, prime accused in the killing of the Australian missionary, Graham Staines, and his two children, the VHP president, Vishnu Hari Dalmia, honoured his mother and gave her Rs. 25,000 at a function here on Wednesday.

Raj Rani, mother of Singh, who is behind bars after surrendering to police, his brother Arvind Kumar and Mukesh Jain, president of the Dharmarakshak Shri Dara Sena, were honoured at a function organised to celebrate the birthday of the former MP and VHP leader, B.L. Sharma `Prem`. -- PTI


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For those who are not in the loop ``Dara Singh `` id the Great VHP hero who burnt a chirstian missonary and his two small children in their Vehicle. He ``Suspected `` that they were involved in conversions.


Now we have the VHP lead by Tagodia the great Orator from Gujrat and the BJP behind the VHP and the majority of Indias Hidnus behind BJP in the central govt

It is better if hari, ssdhillon et al spend some time in condemming people who back the likes of Dara Singh. If they are sincere in what they condemm in muslims, then they should not condemm this too.

But how if muslims say that you didnt bother to notice this almost daily happenings in India?? Is pointing out the muslims criminals your pass time?
Zara apne gareban me bhi Zhankeye

And yes the hindus in India have perfected the art of condemming anything while voting for the parties who indulge in this actions.
Nice you come out looking good while doing what you want.

Time for some action on the ground instead of empty talk.

Ref qusman1 #9

[Good point. I call it the `barq girtee hai to be-chaare musulmaanoN par` syndrome. The phrase comes from a famous poem by Allama Iqbal and means `why does lightning only strike muslims?`]

One doesn`t have to go all the way to poets for that little piece of wisdom.

The `Sh!t Happens` T-shirt has the Jews saying, ``Why does sh!t always happen to us?``

#23 by ali87 on December 21, 2002 7:50am PT

You just do not get it. When did you see me support the VHP. They are a bunch of lunatics as far as I am concerned.

On the other hand your jehadi buddies kill people every day. Now they are killing girls for the choice of their clothes. But you are more worried about the VHP giving money to Dara Singh`s mother.

Dara singh is already in jail. Compare this to Pakistan. People come all the way to India to kill innocents. They have the full support of the establishment and the sympathy of jehadis like you.

I couls care less about what goes on in pakistan. Problem is you guys spread terror in India and the US.

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#20 by AAmir
//EVEN I SITTING 10000 Miles away from India KNOW MILITANTS WANT BURQA NOT FOR RELIGION BUT TO CAMAFLOUGE THEMSELVES WITH BURQA THEMSELVES ... press want to lump all of those political fight on the billion adherent of Islam as Guilt...//
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Only jehadis can call the murder of innocent women a ``political fight``. This coming from a muslim who has access to the internet and probably lives in the west.

December 21, 2002
U.S. Vetoes Condemnation of Israel for U.N. Deaths
By JULIA PRESTON

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/21/international/middleeast/21SYRI.html?pagewanted=print&position=top

UNITED NATIONS, Dec. 20 — The United States, ``with regret,`` cast its veto tonight against a Syrian-proposed Security Council resolution that condemned Israel for the recent killings of several United Nations employees and the destruction of a United Nations food warehouse.

The vote on the proposal deeply divided the 15-member Council; 12 nations voted in favor and 2, Bulgaria and Cameroon, abstained.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/international/international-mideast.html?pagewanted=print&position=top

Israel Tightens Control in Gaza, Girl Killed
By REUTERS

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli troops killed a Palestinian girl in southern Gaza on Saturday as the Jewish state`s army enforced new blockades in the coastal strip.

Palestinian witnesses and security sources said Israeli troops opened fire as the 11-year-old girl walked home from school on a road near a heavily-guarded Jewish settlement. The girl was hit in the back of her leg and died in hospital.

ref # 26:

for nytimes, 12 in favour and 2 abstentions are deep divisons. u.s. has no hope of competing with china.

But that is all it shall be, should we continue to allow five year-olds charge of our faith
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I guess you are OK with commandos possessing WMDs in charge of our fate. We might be following five-year olds in matters of faith, but we pay taxes to that mafia in uniform called pakistani army.

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#25 by ssdhillon on December 21, 2002 8:47am PT
I dont see what you are leading to.
You definitely harbour the same ``Wronged by muslims for centuries mentality`` It is pathetic to see this in a majority vs a 12% minority. hey man get on with life.

As regards with VHP if you say that you are not for them then I have the faith to take you at your face value, Accepted. However what exactly do you mean by calling Jehadi??
What exactly is a Jehadi by your definitiion??
Dont mistake our calrity about Islam and our faith in it. We are not as consfused as you think
Jehad is meant for muslims as a nation. nothing wrong in it.
just as it is not wrong for any country to defend itself.
Simalary it is not wrong for any country to go to the aid of another peoples aid if they are suppressed Like bangaladesh intervention. If India was a muslim country and called it jehad it stilll wouldnt be ok by you. but it doesnt matter, You guys are quite a confused lot anyway.
Jehad aslo cant be called by any Non State actor like militant groups. This is quite well known among knowlegeable muslims.

So if I suscribe to this and you want to call me a Jehadi then I am.
However if you want to tell me that a woman can be beheaded without trial for what is a entremely minor infarction and I suscribe to this they you are a fool. Try some to attempt some intelligent conversation. That you keep on harping on stupid arguments shows how bankrupt your thinking is.
Hey why do you spend so much time on this board if all you do is gripe, unfounded inneundeo,
Looks like you have nothing better to offer. Hey your girpes are allower the site. any suggestions any interaction, any insights?

perhaps you are deeply hurt in your physce and want to get some solace by some one admitting to hurting you. Man if that is the case out with what ever hurts you. If you cant do it on a annoyomous discussion board where else can you.
I suspect that you are victim of the sangh parivar propaganda about how hindus were humiliated for hundreds of years and how your religious sentiments were hurt etc. I personally know a few such disturbed people.

Hey man read history properly if you need help Ill tell you what to read.
I dont know if it helps but remeber if muslims did not come there wouldnt have been any Bhakti movement which was a reaction to the cultural impact of the sufis and not the ghaznis etc. If it was not for Muslims Indian women would still have been prostituting in the temples. You not being a part of the ruling elite your women woulld have had to go almost naked.
Remeber this was the scenario in India in 1500 which was reported both by the muslim travellers as well as chinese and the eruopeans. In fact women in kerala used to go topless even uptil mid late 1800. There was a year long protest by in what is now Kerala because the british forced hindus to abandon the practice of women going without any covering on the chest. Strange the sanghparivar`s depction of women as demure and chaste is actuall some thing you guys picked from the muslims and not a small murmur of thanks for it.
Remeber the time when the upper castes would even not let the shadow of a lower caste come on him. Whole villages were off limits to the dalits.
The women even now have no right to property. Child sacrifice to devis still happens today. islam did give some semblance of humanity to your practices. That is why my ancesteors were among the 40% who left this in human way of life and embraced Islam which even today stands steadfast to the same values. (I thought people valued consistency)
Look honestly Dhillon you will find many reasons to be thankful for tothe Muslims.
Rember the time as recent as 20-30 years back even in cities such as bangalore and Mysore menustrating women are confined to a room outside the house and their plate of food is shoved under the door so that even their face is not visible to the other people.

This is what Islam gave to India. Temples are the places where these practices were preprated and circulated. I have been to a few funerals of my friends parents i still cant get over the waste and dirt uncleaniness of the whole pujas and the scheeming greed of your priestly class. Man Dhillon youshould be great full to Islam that atleast some Indians did not have to wait for the 20 th century to escape this. You should be geatfull that all that you call Hindu rennisance of the bhakti movment, and the other movements in the early 20th century were because of expousre to Islam and the equity it preached.
Sure the people who follow it are not perfect andthat is why it is there to provide a beacon to the right path. Honestly examine your religous practices and strip away the excuses and question your self wether you dont see any good in Islam.
You are welcome to comment, critisize but please be non judgemental at least considering what your religion actaually dictates in fact ponder how much it has changed due toexpousre to Islam.

Ali87 31

``What exactly is a Jehadi by your definitiion??
Dont mistake our calrity about Islam and our faith in it. We are not as consfused as you think
Jehad is meant for muslims as a nation. nothing wrong in it.
just as it is not wrong for any country to defend itself.
Simalary it is not wrong for any country to go to the aid of another peoples aid if they are suppressed Like bangaladesh intervention. If India was a muslim country and called it jehad it stilll wouldnt be ok by you. but it doesnt matter, You guys are quite a confused lot anyway.
Jehad aslo cant be called by any Non State actor like militant groups. This is quite well known among knowlegeable muslims``

Here goes another pathetic pakistani, providing another definition of what is jihad. Another schooled pakistani, has no conviction nor understanding of that irrelevant book to say that jihad is not the killing of so called ``non-innocent ``, read as kafirs.

Knowledge of religion is to what it is not. This westernied whitewashing pakistani has no courrage to accept that what is taught in madrssas to serch and kill the kafirs is not islam. The pathetic biped comes with yet another definition of jihad.