The Unmaking Of Gujrat

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GhalibZaman

Every ideology has attraction for some people. You will develop a very good understanding of the attraction of Islam for some people if you spend time studying the sexual underworld.

studebaker #83

There are people who call Christians foreigners. These people are in India and in Pakistan. Do you know how Christians confront these people? By behaving like Indians and Pakistanis. By behaving like Indians and Pakistanis, we get to ask for the rights due to Indians and Pakistanis. You may not know but many Indian Muslims do the same.

However, when you yourself claim that you are a foreigner, that your brothers are in Saudi Arabia, that you are completely different, that you live in the belly of the beast, others agree with you that you are an alien, a foreigner with no rights on India.

When Americans discover that you hold similar views about America, your American mata will also turn very hostile toward you. Unless you change your basic thinking, sooner or later, this is bound to happen. You will be fighting with all your matas except Saudi Mata, for whom you are no more than cheap household help. I have told you many times before - the era of free lunch is over.

#84 by Studebaker on December 14, 2002 12:45pm PT

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I urge you to listen through the question answer sessions .....She is a Indian Hindu who has not read history by RSS Shiv Sena Or VHP .
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She is a definite leftist. The history textbooks I read in school in India were written by historians like her. It seems like the purpose of these history books was to spread communal harmony than tell the truth about the muslim conquests.

When these historians describe muslim invaders they do not tell the truth. They do not say that the muslim invaders humiliated the locals, destroyed places of worship, forced conversions, killed scores of people. All we get is that the invaders were absorbed into the local culture. That is so much BS.

Studebaker...you don`t have to convert back to Hinduism (your choice anyway) ..but more than anything else...all muslims from the sub-contitnent should have some respect for their ancestors or ancestoral religion. To realise that hating something from where you came is not going to bring blessings for you and your country.
Similarly, Hindus should also accept that people who have embraced any other religion are also Indians ans very much a part of the society so what if the religion came from outside. Not all Indian muslims are teh generations of teh converted people...some must have become muslims voluntatrily

Studebaker...so the deal should be...Indian Muslims would be well looke d after by the India and the sane Indians but in return they also have to make sure they don`t go around burning the trains and charring people to death(I have plenty of pictures of charred people being taken out of the burning train)
I DONOT justify the killings of muslims in India..that was horrible...and....
Believe me, we Indians have more concern and brotherhood for well-behaved Indian Muslims than Paksitani Muslims. They are as much Indian as anybody else. But constantly they have been misled by the neighbouring countries. If people from other countries cannot support them or do anything for them then why the hell do they instigate them against India or Indian government?
If Indian muslims are happy in India, doing well, enjoying more liberty and facilities..then it is bound to annoy and irritate some Pakistanis because that spoils their very purpose ...which is to prove that India is not actually secular. But if India becomes a Hindu country that also doesn`t make anyone happy.

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[ #57 by FarzanaVersey on December 13, 2002 11:34am PT
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Re: the cow, how I wish people used their memory before rushing to comment. Narendra Modi had been talking about how Sonia Gandhi was unconcerned about issues like cow protection. So… ]

Can you quote the full speech? If you can not then you should retract above statement.

Thanks, -ew

Seems like BJP is going to win. I would say this is bad news for India in the long run.

If it does win, will this encourage it to use the same tactics in other provinces and for the national election. After all, wherever it tried to show its moderate face, it lost. Wherever it has shown its real face, it is winning.

Congrats to Modi and BJP!

Modi is a political genius and the BJP has to be lauded for supporting him through thick and thick. Congress failed, because it simply it did not understand the political value of hatred. The only person, who really understood region of South Asia and its people was M. K. Gandhi. Gandhi understood the fact that India, in its heart, is a communal state.

Hate unifies the opinion and hate clears all doubts; hate identifies common values and hate offers that rare glimpse of purpose, when all is failing and stands discredited. We worship at the alter of hate, because hate is a narissistic reflection of our own deep seated yearings. We may rave and rant against the various faces of hate, but hate always turns to us one, which our own and we meekly assume a silence of hypocricy. As long as we rationale hatred without understanding its reasons, we will always tolerate hate and justify its existence. Hate does not orginate, but from within the tangled web of our minds and circumtances do not give cause to hate, but the evil that lurks in all our hearts, which flames its destruction.

Edmund Burke once said that evil succeds not because good men do it, but because they do nothing to stop it. There is much to be said about that quote and if one adds John Donne to it, then the bells are really tolling for all of us.

Hate is universial and hated has to be resisted. If hate is not resisted and it is allowed to flourish unabated, then the only consequence is facism and all of us, who wish the life of the world to move on to the broad sunlit uplands of hope and goodness, can only watch with caution the darkening of the horizon with the clouds of dread and hopelessness.

We may blame hate mongers of the world, but we should blame ourselves for standing by, as the hate marches past us in all its glory.

We all come at a pivotal cross roads in our lives and in the lives of our nation and we are faced with a choice. The people of Pakistan were faced with that choice 31 years ago, today, on December 16, 1971 and we failed, because we rationalized, instead of reasoning, our choice. That day, and the days preceding it, had we as a nation said, ``my country, it is of thee that I cry`` our fortunes might have been different and we always be poor for not knowning the difference.

India faces a similar choice and the path to hate and violence is so easy and so tempting that it rationalizes the choice, without a moment`s reason. There are Indians, who love India and cherish her and it is sincerely hoped that those Indians will make a choice; a choice that will not make them say, ``my country it is of thee that I cry``.

Best wishes for the new year to all; and may she be better one than one before her.

Ciao