The Unmaking Of Gujrat

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Ferozk

what you are chracterizing as hate is actually moral bankruptcy and cowardice. The election of Hindu religious nuts can either be wrong or it can be right.....it can`t be right and wrong at the same time. So if hindus support the election of their government they should do so without maligning Paksitan, Quaid-e-Azam, or Muslims and if they do not support the election of hindu religious nuts they should do it without maligning Paksitan, Quaid-e-Azam, or Muslims. Either you support them or you dont. But the way they have maligned Paksitan, Quaid-e-Azam, and Muslims shows that they support the election of the hindu religious nuts from the depths of their hearts but they also want to be called ``modern``, ``open-minded``, ``secular``, and that bitch...what is it called...hunh ...``democratic``. So they are trying their best to prove that election of geonicidal maniacs is actually a lesser evil as compared to what is happening in Paksitan. THat would sure put even Goebles, Bush and Rumsfeld to shame.

Isn`t it a shame that they still blame Muslims for burning the train even after their own Hindu government has released investigation report that the accelerant that caused the fire was already in the train.....I mean how the hell it is posssible to to get 60 liters of petrol into a boggey full of hooligans....oops I mean pilgrims. Did the Muslims ask their permission first ``oh excuse us, let us board, we want to sprinkle this boggey with 60 litres of petrol and then set your sorry asses on fire...do you mind``. Another practical solution would have been Moltov Cocktails thrown from outside. But the picture of burning train as posted below suggests that it did not happen.....otherwise at least a little bit of fire also definitely would have been lit on the outside of the boggey....since the Motov cocktails, which essentially are corked glass bottles full of gasoline would have exploded outside wall, window glass panes, metal shutters, or window bars.....but it did not happen. So either the Muslim attackers asked people of the boggey to keep their windows open or the fire was laready inside.

Let us also not forget the Muslim woman who was forced into the boggey by the hooligans, which actually prompted the stone throwing match.

So my friend ferozk, it is not that hindus are stupid, they are hindus for crying out loud, they are as cunning as a crow.....but it is moral bankruptcy, hate, eternal cowardice and anti-Muslim prejudice, that has blinded their best judgment. And even a crow which is considered a wisest and most cunning bird in our folklore falls for the shit....as our Punjabi proverb goes ``Syaana KaaN gooN teh hi digda eh``

Mass rape and torture sponsored by India

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New Delhi (IANS) -- A citizen`s tribunal that spoke to victims of the sectarian bloodshed in Gujarat has chronicled most brutal and inhuman torture of women, leaving survivors and their families emotionally scarred for life.

Before they were killed, the usual routine that they were made to go through by the killer mobs was rape, gang rape, mass rape, stripping, parading, insertion of objects in their body, molestation and torching.

``Rape was used as an instrument for subjugation and humiliation of a community,`` noted the tribunal headed by former Supreme Court judge V.R. Krishna Iyer and comprising former judges and activists.

The tribunal collected evidence from 16 Gujarat districts and spoke to hundreds of female victims.

The report said a chilling cover-up technique was destruction of the evidence by burning the victims.

``Barring a few, in most instances of sexual violence, female victims were stripped and paraded naked, gang-raped and quartered and burnt beyond recognition.``

Many of the 33,000-odd children forced to live in refugee camps throughout Gujarat were mute witnesses to sexual crimes against their womenfolk - mothers, sisters, aunts and even grandmothers.

In Naroda Patiya, one of the worst affected villages in the violence, the tribunal records that mobs even raped girls as young as 3 or 11 years. Babies were cut up and flung into pyres.

Young girls were made to remove their clothes in front of 1,000-2,000 strong mobs that humiliated them. Eight to 10 men raped them. After this, attackers inserted sharp swords, knives or other objects into their bodies and tortured them before burning them alive.

When women begged and pleaded with police personnel to save them, they were told that the police had orders to ``do nothing for 24 hours in Naroda``.

Forty-six women were among the 96 bodies that were buried in a mass grave after the village had been ravaged by the mobs.

A rape victim from the Godhra relief camp told the tribunal that she was ``stripped, gang-raped, her baby was killed in front of her, she was beaten up, burnt and left for dead.``

Women were also attacked with acid, beaten up with rods, their vagina sliced, and iron rods pushed inside. Their bellies would be cut open and objects inserted.

A 13-year-old girl had a rod pushed into her stomach. A mother recounted that her three-year-old baby was raped and killed.

One of the most gruesome accounts was that about the death of Kausar Bano, a pregnant woman of Naroda Patiya. She was raped, tortured, her womb was slit open with a sword; her foetus was torn out, hacked to pieces and burnt alive with its mother.

Women from Shah Alam and Danilimda villages went to the police to seek protection for their families. The police ignored them. But when they got persistent, the police came with reinforcements and rained batons and rifle butts on them.

In some villages, where the police allegedly colluded with the mobs and facilitated their entry into Muslim lanes and houses, women suffered quite another kind of humiliation.

When the women tried to shield their houses from the police and the mobs, the police pulled down their trousers and shouted abuse at the women, the tribunal was told by various victims.

The tribunal was told by a woman of Vadodara that she was beaten so brutally by the police that she gave premature birth and had blood oozing out of one breast while feeding her baby with the other.

In Tarsali village, a woman was made to watch as her son was dragged down from a tree that he had climbed in desperation, his fingers cut off and the rest of his body dismembered. That was the last picture in her mind before she died.

The report notes: ``In Gujarat, the degree of violence and sexual crimes against women reached unprecedented levels. That sexual crimes against Muslim women took place on such a large scale in post-independent, democratic and secular India is shocking in itself.``

Source: IANS

Irfan_h

This is our fault. This is because of our weekness that our Muslim sisters were subject to this inhumanity. It is a shame that no one talks about 3000+ women who are still missing and presumably were sold to the brothels across india by hindu genocidal maniacs. We and only we bear the responsibility for their misery. We failed to protect them. How can we blame hindus; when we knew that they are destined to kill; they are determined to rape; they have no shame; they have no mercy for women, or children, or human beings, especially, if they are Muslims. That is their religion; that was the wrath of Kaali; that was the fury of shiva. That was the Yudh; that was Mahabharat; and that was children of Ravna set on fire.

Urstruly # 149 - this is the kind of genocidal hatred people are taught.

don’t think pakis should be deriving satisfaction from the mess in gujrat. the election result will only strengthen the hands of those sections of paki society that are directly responsible for causing so much mayhem in pakistan. ptv news editors, mma campaign managers and hindu-hating elements in paki army are going turn this into another clash of civilizations and in response, they will promote an agenda that will lead to even more misery in the region.

the threat posed by genie unleashed over the last few years should be obvious by now to sane elements on both sides. hopefully, pressure can be put upon moderate elements in bjp and in paki army to work together to reach some sort of settlement.

Urstruly, Get help, my God, I feel physically sick to listen to the venom you spit, and the hatred you feel. You unfortunately are the Muslim face the world media has been propagating, you are your own worst enemy!

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#144 by rsridhar on December 16, 2002 9:13am PT
“If Sonia Gandhi is our best bet, then God save India”

Sridhar…people really didn’t feel like voting for Sonia..so Congress should have had another party leader, someone who sounds more genuine and more Indian. And yet, inspite of everything..Modi is not the right one..even if Vajpayee is all right..

Anyway..time will tell…

Why the hell is Urstruly being singled-out as the Muslim hate-monger, while the Hindu hate-mongers at Chowk go scot-free? The hatred displayed by the Hindus at Chowk towards Muslims/Pakistan is a lot more lethal, venemous, and disturbing than Urstruly`s towards Hindus. Yet no one at Chowk questions the hatred posted by the Hindus, but everybody`s up Urstruly`s ass. It just reaffirms my thoughts that Pakistanis at Chowk are a lot more decent, tolerant, intropective, self-critical, and civilized lot than the people from the ancient ``civilization.`` Civilization my foot. These Hindu a-holes at Chowk and those who voted for Modi are stuck in the lower rung of evolutionary process of civilization.

Urstruly,

Give ity up, friend. You are pissing against the wind.

[ #149 by Urstruly on December 16, 2002 9:14am PT
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Isn`t it a shame that they still blame Muslims for burning the train even after their own Hindu government has released investigation report that the accelerant that caused the fire was already in the train.....I mean how the hell it is posssible to to get 60 liters of petrol into a boggey full of hooligans....oops I mean pilgrims. Did the Muslims ask their permission first ``oh excuse us, let us board, we want to sprinkle this boggey with 60 litres of petrol and then set your sorry asses on fire...do you mind``. Another practical solution would have been Moltov Cocktails thrown from outside. But the picture of burning train as posted below suggests that it did not happen.....otherwise at least a little bit of fire also definitely would have been lit on the outside of the boggey....since the Motov cocktails, which essentially are corked glass bottles full of gasoline would have exploded outside wall, window glass panes, metal shutters, or window bars.....but it did not happen. So either the Muslim attackers asked people of the boggey to keep their windows open or the fire was laready inside. ]

http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/aug/22godhra.htm

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Youth`s testimony throws new light on Godhra attack
EXCLUSIVE!
Sheela Bhatt in Godhra
Giving a sensational new turn to the investigation of the Godhra massacre, a Hindu youth, who has admitted to having been a member, albeit unwilling, of the group that ferried inflammable material to the spot where the Sabarmati Express was stopped on the fateful morning of February 27, has given a blow-by-blow account of the events that set Gujarat ablaze.

The picture emerging from his statement suggests that the masterminds of the attack were not Congress politicians Mohammed Hussain Kalota and Bilal Haji, but local businessman Razak Kurkur (seen at right in an old picture from the police files) and his associate Salim Paanwala, who ran a paan shop at the Godhra railway station and provoked the mob to attack the train.

The boy, a tea vendor at Godhra station, who shall be identified only as Ajay, made his revelations in a statement before Judicial Magistrate, First Class, A R Patel of the Godhra railway court on July 29.

His eight-page statement has been recorded under section 164 of the Criminal Procedure Code at Anand, when the court was on tour, and, if it stands scrutiny in court, may finally lay the vexed Godhra case to rest. The statement is admissible as evidence because it was given voluntarily and recorded before a magistrate.

A source in Godhra said Ajay`s conscience had been hurting him, so he decided to speak out even though he got involved in the incident in a `spirit of community living.`

In his statement, the source said, Ajay not only narrated the chilling sequence of events that lead to the torching of the train`s compartment #S6, resulting in the death of 59 passengers, but also named all those involved in actually setting the bogie alight.

Till February 27, Ajay, who is aged 17 or 18, lived with his family in the heart of Signal Falia, the Muslim-dominated quarter near the Godhra railway station from where a frenzied crowd had rushed and attacked the compartment.

Many of the accused in the case are known to Ajay, having been his neighbours in Signal Falia or co-workers at the Godhra railway station.

According to the youth`s statement, he left his home in Signal Falia at 0700 IST on February 27 and went to his employer Mahboob Fofa`s house to collect a pot of tea. From there he headed for the railway station where a `deluxe` train soon arrived from Baroda.

A little later, the Sabarmati Express chugged in. Ajay could hear loud chants of ` Jai Sri Ram.`

A few minutes later, Ajay saw his employer Fofa and Mehboob Latika, another tea vendor, run towards the engine of the Sabarmati Express, screaming that another tea vendor, Siddique Bakkar by name, was being beaten by karsevaks.

Ajay was then outside compartment #S3. He too was stopped by some karsevaks and asked to chant `Jai Sri Ram.`

Ajay complied, but when the karsevaks asked Latika to chant the slogan, he refused. The angry karsevaks began manhandling him, but Latika managed to break free and run, shouted that people were being beaten up.

As the train began pulling out, someone pulled the emergency alarm chain. Ajay had by this time left the station and reached Rasid Raji`s shop in Signal Falia. He saw a dozen autorickshaws (three-wheeler vehicles) coming towards the slum colony from the station. Each autorickshaw was carrying four or five men who quickly alighted and began throwing stones at the train.

At this point, according to Ajay`s statement, a few of his acquaintances in Signal Falia, like Saukat Lalu, Irfan Bhobha and Rafique Bhatuk went behind a property owned by Kurkur, who also owns a guesthouse facing the station.

Saukat Lalu, also a tea vendor, asked Ajay to accompany him. Ajay says he did not know at that point what was being planned or what he was expected to do. He stood outside Kurkur`s house along with a few other tea vendors. After a few minutes Rafique Bhatuk came out with a can (called karbo in local parlance, which is used to store inflammable material) and gave it to Irfan Bhobha. ``Aa karbo rickshaw maa muki de [Keep this can in the rickshaw],`` the latter told Ajay.

The contents of the can smelt like kerosene, but out of fear, says Ajay, he obeyed. Nine other boys carrying similar cans, swords, and pipes went back to the station in autorickshaws, Ajay with them. The youth claims he accompanied them because he was forced to.

The group went behind a white cabin near the station, alighted, and rushed towards the train, which had been stopped some distance away from the platform. Saukat Lalu asked Ajay to go along with them. Another member of the group, Maheboob Chanda, snatched Ajay`s can of inflammable material.

Ajay, who has narrated all the events as he remembers them in chronological order, also named not just the arsonists but also all the members of the first group that began pelting stones on the train, the Godhra source said. His version matches that of some of the passengers on that train.

On page six of his statement, Ajay has described in detail how the boys in his group torched compartment #S6. According to him, they first tried to burn compartment #S2, but alert passengers inside foiled them.

They then went to compartment #S6 and slit open the vestibule between #S6 and #S7. Six boys, including Rafique Bhatur, Saukat Lalu, Irfan Bhobha, and Sheru, then boarded the compartment and splashed their inflammable material inside.

Ajay says he stood outside. When he saw a crowd beating up Rafique Bhatur, he ran from the place and went home, only to find a group of local Muslims trying to set it on fire. His neighbours prevented them, but Ajay and his family had to shift to his uncle`s house.

He claims he was threatened not to tell anyone what he had witnessed about the attack. He is now in hiding, fearing for his life.

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-ew

[ #149 by Urstruly on December 16, 2002 9:14am PT
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Isn`t it a shame that they still blame Muslims for burning the train even after their own Hindu government has released investigation report that the accelerant that caused the fire was already in the train.....I mean how the hell it is posssible to to get 60 liters of petrol into a boggey full of hooligans....oops I mean pilgrims. Did the Muslims ask their permission first ``oh excuse us, let us board, we want to sprinkle this boggey with 60 litres of petrol and then set your sorry asses on fire...do you mind``. Another practical solution would have been Moltov Cocktails thrown from outside. But the picture of burning train as posted below suggests that it did not happen.....otherwise at least a little bit of fire also definitely would have been lit on the outside of the boggey....since the Motov cocktails, which essentially are corked glass bottles full of gasoline would have exploded outside wall, window glass panes, metal shutters, or window bars.....but it did not happen. So either the Muslim attackers asked people of the boggey to keep their windows open or the fire was laready inside. ]

Can you post a link or the report?

I know at least one journalist who had reported on ongoing sessions of a Gujarat High Court judge which was looking into this affair. The journalist is Sheela Bhatt of rediff.com. What I remember is that jerry cans were carried to the coach and train was stopped and a person climbed by tearing up the protective clothe which cover between coach passage and entered the coach. I do not know what jerry cans are.

Urstruly, so much hatred is not good if it blinds you to even the process of discovery of truth. The aftermath was unacceptable. However main event is also not acceptable. Not for nothing Hindus feels under siege. Whipping up more hatred is not answer. Healing is the need of hour. Modi has said he wants to work for all Gujaratis including those who did not vote for BJP. He is suspect and probably guilty before trial.

But fact finding is only way. For example somebody mentioned Ehsan Jaffry. Ehsan Jaffry`s murder needs to be investigated. Witch hunting and short circuited investigations are not answer. Surmise, conjectures, theories are not answer.

-ew

urstruly#151

[This is our fault. This is because of our weekness that our Muslim sisters were subject to this inhumanity. It is a shame that no one talks about 3000+ women who are still missing and presumably were sold to the brothels across india by hindu genocidal maniacs. ]

Urstruly ji,
So you want to become the Mohammed Bin Qasim of 21st century? Do you realize how phony you sound with your crocodile tears for the muslims of India, especially when 260,000 Pakistanis ( officially referred to as Biharis)are languishing in Bangladesh since 1971. How come you never protest about the thousands of Bengladeshi women who are sold to the Pakistani brothels every year. How come you never speak about the
small children sold to the Gulf states for as little as Dirhams 10,000= How about the murder of the shia community and the Ahmedi community and the christians and the step-motherly treatment of the mohajirs and the treatment of the smaller provinces by the majority province. With so many problems at home, you are concerned with Kashmir and Gujarat and the Hindu.

Andaaz-e-bayaN gar che bahut shokh nahiN hai
shaayed ke utar jaay tere dil meiN meri baat

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Banjaara (160),

You are absolutely right. This is an absolute shame on Pakistan and the wrong must be corrected. I like to believe that us Pakistanis are much better in dealing with our problems, questioning everything under the sun. An open discussion about the wrongs done is a sign of a mature and an enlightened culture and society. However, you are shifting the focus of the present article in your post. The shame of Pakistan you point to should be a topic discussed at Chowk and brought out in open on another board (I do hope someone knowledgeable about what you write writes something about it, maybe you can help by writing an article.)

All flaws of Pakistan, no hold bar, should be discussed openly at Chowk, not with menace and hatred but seriously and scholarly. That is the only way to make Pakistan a better country.

However, this board is dealing with something completely different. It has nothing to do with Pakistan.

Godot

I am not a hatemonger but thanks for sticking your neck out for me. The only person who needs our moral support is Farzana Versey, who once again has been muzzled by hindu fascists by threats of ``legal ramifications``. Please do not forget that this great woman lost her job for speaking out and standing up for truth and her hindu boss who fired her, was jumping like a monkey on a trampoline here at chowk and boasting his service to the country and religion. She is the one who is raising her voice of dissent in front of oppressors and genocidal maniacs without fear; doing the best of Jehad, living right inside the belly of the beast.

I do not hate hindus, I hate cowards, liars, goebles, killers and genocidal maniacs. Unfortunately, not only in this case they are hindus, but claim to be proud hindus. They are cowards because they are scared of 9% i.e. nine percent Muslims of Gujrat. God what pissants these %&^% are, they fear that 9% of minoriyty is going to take over their country. Jeez.

Punjaban

Once there was a sikh conference held to figure out after all what happens to sikhs at exactly 12 O` Clock noon. There was a heated discussion in the room when suddenly clock hit 12. As it happened all the sikhs climbed on the center table. The table could not bear their weight and collapsed under them. After few minutes when that ``heavy`` hour passed and they gathered their senses they postponed the meeting to the next day at 11:30 am.