Saud’s Arabia?
Rizwanul Haque August 29, 2003
#60 Posted by nasah on September 4, 2003 9:42:50 pm
crow eating bush baby is crawling on all fours -- begging the UN for scraps of rescue money and rescue soldiers from all over the WORLD!! --
shameless man has a bankrupt ``coalition`` -- no money dad -- should I go around with a begging bowl KNOCKING AT THE DOORS OF NATIONS -- gimme some money -- gimme men -- to kill some more Iraqis --
yes son go ahead ur mom also says go ahead -- there is no shame in BEGGING -- for a Hyper Power like us
the dimwit has no class -- no dignity -- what happened to all that do-it-alone bravado and grandstanding -- stupid moron --
but -- still has delusions of grandeur --
still wants to eat the cake and keep it too -- like a spoiled bozo brat -- still wants to hold to his command n control PACIFIER in his mouth –
wants to order around now the Indians and Pakistanis mercenary soldiers to do his dirty work in Iraq -- relieve some of his GIs to go home and rest after their bloody killing spree of the third world gooks and geeks --
and free most of of his other GIs to pursue and kill the secular Baathists -- while Bush`s Bummer bum kisses the Bearded shitty Butts of Shiite Ayatollas all over Iraq...whose Irani brethren had humiliated the Imperial American Embassy staff by throwing them blindfolded in a dungeon 4 444 days!
well for subcontinental soldiers -- those days are long gone -- no more Colonial Colonel Bush for the Indians and the Pakistani soldiers --
what a naive bumbling buffoon.....
NO SOLDIERS FROM INDIA AND PAKISTAN -- UNLESS COMMAND & CONTROL GOES TO THE UN
shameless man has a bankrupt ``coalition`` -- no money dad -- should I go around with a begging bowl KNOCKING AT THE DOORS OF NATIONS -- gimme some money -- gimme men -- to kill some more Iraqis --
yes son go ahead ur mom also says go ahead -- there is no shame in BEGGING -- for a Hyper Power like us
the dimwit has no class -- no dignity -- what happened to all that do-it-alone bravado and grandstanding -- stupid moron --
but -- still has delusions of grandeur --
still wants to eat the cake and keep it too -- like a spoiled bozo brat -- still wants to hold to his command n control PACIFIER in his mouth –
wants to order around now the Indians and Pakistanis mercenary soldiers to do his dirty work in Iraq -- relieve some of his GIs to go home and rest after their bloody killing spree of the third world gooks and geeks --
and free most of of his other GIs to pursue and kill the secular Baathists -- while Bush`s Bummer bum kisses the Bearded shitty Butts of Shiite Ayatollas all over Iraq...whose Irani brethren had humiliated the Imperial American Embassy staff by throwing them blindfolded in a dungeon 4 444 days!
well for subcontinental soldiers -- those days are long gone -- no more Colonial Colonel Bush for the Indians and the Pakistani soldiers --
what a naive bumbling buffoon.....
NO SOLDIERS FROM INDIA AND PAKISTAN -- UNLESS COMMAND & CONTROL GOES TO THE UN
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#59 Posted by ferozk on September 4, 2003 7:19:18 pm
re: tahmed32 # 56
Thanks. I will post a reply later - time permitting.
Ciao
Thanks. I will post a reply later - time permitting.
Ciao
#58 Posted by tahmed32 on September 4, 2003 1:34:11 pm
wajahat #54 as i recall, first time (when you wrote that post to my article before the iraq war) you assured me i was a black guy licking american boots. this time i see you have decided to expel me from the pakistani nation altogether and make me an american.
I dont recall giving you the power of attorney to establish my race or nationality. I guess, this must be the ``mullah prerogative`` where you people feel you can declare anyone to be anything you like if he has the nerve to hold views contrary to your mindset.
I dont recall giving you the power of attorney to establish my race or nationality. I guess, this must be the ``mullah prerogative`` where you people feel you can declare anyone to be anything you like if he has the nerve to hold views contrary to your mindset.
#57 Posted by tahmed32 on September 4, 2003 1:34:10 pm
ferozk #52 i am all for serious discussions ;-). So here goes:
You ask (rhetorically): ``In other words, are the Iraqis really free; free to elect their own government and free to create their own institutional and constitutional infrastructures.``
Please re-read my post and tell me if you see anything there about Iraqis being free to elect their own government. What I said was that they were free of the dastardely Saddam regime. Iraqis have taken a big step forward already: there are no ugly pictures of the ``Big Man`` in Iraq (Bremer, the closest thing to a replacement to Saddam, acts more like the civil servant that he is in Iraq rather than a dictator or a god, which is what these people have had for decades). Also, the shiites are no longer running for their lives...and the exiled iraqis are returning from the west and from iran. Clearly, the cause of the delay in the introduction of democracy in iraq (I wont say ``return``, since iraqis have never had a democracy in their history, like most arab nations) is the capacity of the iraqi society to change. You seem to think that Iraq can become like the US or the UK in terms of democratic traditions in a few months. Get real, please.
As for Afghanistan, there is indeed lawlessness there, but notice that Afghanis are no longer coming out of afghansitan in the millions, as they did under the taliban regime. They are returning to their country. Again, if you know anything about pakhtun society (as you should if you ever lived in the northern parts), you would know how deeply ingrained traditions of feuds, warlordism, violence, religious prejudice is among them. I dont know enough about iraqis, the few I have met in the us are quite sophisticated, so I cant say how long it will take for them to step out of the 15th century (or whatever century they are living in). The iraqis are certainly a step above the afghans in terms of having led the world at one time in terms of civilization and baghdad was the world`s america in terms of being a great center of learning. Afghanistan has always been the pits of the world and has no comparable history of civilization. Iraq also has a number of other advantages over Afghanistan in addition to having a brighter history and traditions: (a) larger middle class, (b) oil wealth (making their uplift self-financing and thus easier for the international community to deal with), (c) strategic value (after the cold war, afghanistan only had the nuisance value of being the breeding ground for muslim terrorism. Success in Iraq on the other hand is perceived by the US as being essential to peace in the middle east, and thus ultimately to the security of the US itself. Nevertheless, despite these advantages of Afghans, the Iraqis have a few centuries to catch up on. And of course, they also have the disadvantage of being muslim, and thus suffering from the same unrealistic and grandiose view of themselves as other traditional muslims. Nations comprising tens of millions of people are not flipped from backwardness and towards progress in one year or ten years - it is a generational process.
you ask: ``Do you agree that the United States backed United Nations` sanction regime on Iraq from 1991-2003 did nothing to dislodge Saddam from power, but caused only suffering amidst the Iraqis?``
Agreed that the US should have dislodged Saddam in 1991. I dont agree that this makes the US responsible for Iraqi suffering: it was Saddam, who sat on billions of dollars, built expensive palaces for himself (32 in and around baghdad alone), while iraqi children starved. It is time we muslims started looking at reality rather than throwing blame at the first nonmuslim we can spot (the US, India, the West, whatever).
you ask: ``If democracy is the end result, what does an average Iraqi, who suffered under the sanctions as an exuse for bringing democracy really thinks about democracy that causes suffering? ``
I will not presume to know what the average Iraqi thinks today, tomorrow and the day after. I dont think you should presume knowledge of what the average Iraqi thinks either.
you ask: ``Do you agree that the United Nation should be involved in the process as the United States seeks a United Nations` resolution to distribute the costs of ``burden sharing`` in Iraq?``
I think that would be a good idea.
You ask (rhetorically): ``In other words, are the Iraqis really free; free to elect their own government and free to create their own institutional and constitutional infrastructures.``
Please re-read my post and tell me if you see anything there about Iraqis being free to elect their own government. What I said was that they were free of the dastardely Saddam regime. Iraqis have taken a big step forward already: there are no ugly pictures of the ``Big Man`` in Iraq (Bremer, the closest thing to a replacement to Saddam, acts more like the civil servant that he is in Iraq rather than a dictator or a god, which is what these people have had for decades). Also, the shiites are no longer running for their lives...and the exiled iraqis are returning from the west and from iran. Clearly, the cause of the delay in the introduction of democracy in iraq (I wont say ``return``, since iraqis have never had a democracy in their history, like most arab nations) is the capacity of the iraqi society to change. You seem to think that Iraq can become like the US or the UK in terms of democratic traditions in a few months. Get real, please.
As for Afghanistan, there is indeed lawlessness there, but notice that Afghanis are no longer coming out of afghansitan in the millions, as they did under the taliban regime. They are returning to their country. Again, if you know anything about pakhtun society (as you should if you ever lived in the northern parts), you would know how deeply ingrained traditions of feuds, warlordism, violence, religious prejudice is among them. I dont know enough about iraqis, the few I have met in the us are quite sophisticated, so I cant say how long it will take for them to step out of the 15th century (or whatever century they are living in). The iraqis are certainly a step above the afghans in terms of having led the world at one time in terms of civilization and baghdad was the world`s america in terms of being a great center of learning. Afghanistan has always been the pits of the world and has no comparable history of civilization. Iraq also has a number of other advantages over Afghanistan in addition to having a brighter history and traditions: (a) larger middle class, (b) oil wealth (making their uplift self-financing and thus easier for the international community to deal with), (c) strategic value (after the cold war, afghanistan only had the nuisance value of being the breeding ground for muslim terrorism. Success in Iraq on the other hand is perceived by the US as being essential to peace in the middle east, and thus ultimately to the security of the US itself. Nevertheless, despite these advantages of Afghans, the Iraqis have a few centuries to catch up on. And of course, they also have the disadvantage of being muslim, and thus suffering from the same unrealistic and grandiose view of themselves as other traditional muslims. Nations comprising tens of millions of people are not flipped from backwardness and towards progress in one year or ten years - it is a generational process.
you ask: ``Do you agree that the United States backed United Nations` sanction regime on Iraq from 1991-2003 did nothing to dislodge Saddam from power, but caused only suffering amidst the Iraqis?``
Agreed that the US should have dislodged Saddam in 1991. I dont agree that this makes the US responsible for Iraqi suffering: it was Saddam, who sat on billions of dollars, built expensive palaces for himself (32 in and around baghdad alone), while iraqi children starved. It is time we muslims started looking at reality rather than throwing blame at the first nonmuslim we can spot (the US, India, the West, whatever).
you ask: ``If democracy is the end result, what does an average Iraqi, who suffered under the sanctions as an exuse for bringing democracy really thinks about democracy that causes suffering? ``
I will not presume to know what the average Iraqi thinks today, tomorrow and the day after. I dont think you should presume knowledge of what the average Iraqi thinks either.
you ask: ``Do you agree that the United Nation should be involved in the process as the United States seeks a United Nations` resolution to distribute the costs of ``burden sharing`` in Iraq?``
I think that would be a good idea.
#56 Posted by tahmed32 on September 4, 2003 1:34:10 pm
stuka #55 You and I think alike because great minds think alike. :-)
Seriously though, I think if one tries to think rationally and use one`s mind, one tends to ultimately reach similar conclusions.
On the other hand, those who think using their gonads, tend to toe the ``party line`` of whatever community they happened to grow up in (the ``muslim view of the world`` or the ``hindu view of the world``).
That is why you and I think alike. And that is why India-Pakistan warriors can never think alike. They are prisoners of their gonads.
Seriously though, I think if one tries to think rationally and use one`s mind, one tends to ultimately reach similar conclusions.
On the other hand, those who think using their gonads, tend to toe the ``party line`` of whatever community they happened to grow up in (the ``muslim view of the world`` or the ``hindu view of the world``).
That is why you and I think alike. And that is why India-Pakistan warriors can never think alike. They are prisoners of their gonads.
#55 Posted by stuka on September 4, 2003 6:47:40 am
TAhmed:
How could I forget? My bad. I do remember and appreciate your article. It is funny..for all the talk about the war on Iraq being supposedly ``anti Muslim`` my views are more in common with Muslims like Sigalph, TAhmed and His Excellency rather than fellow Indians who are all GA GA over democracy in their own country but find much good about Saddam.
Sigalph: Ditto to your post. I understand if you do not stay long but visit often, esp as the Presidential race comes close.
How could I forget? My bad. I do remember and appreciate your article. It is funny..for all the talk about the war on Iraq being supposedly ``anti Muslim`` my views are more in common with Muslims like Sigalph, TAhmed and His Excellency rather than fellow Indians who are all GA GA over democracy in their own country but find much good about Saddam.
Sigalph: Ditto to your post. I understand if you do not stay long but visit often, esp as the Presidential race comes close.
#54 Posted by wajahat on September 4, 2003 6:45:08 am
#50 by tahmed32
Iraqis are free and saddam has gone???.....Mr Ahmed you are more Middle american than i though you were. The bombing of the UN just when you imbecile president was about to grovel back to UN pleading for more forces , the very same UN he declared dead before going out to war. The rise in the number of dead US Soldiers. I think that you and your fellow american delude themselves, a condition Hiter`s Germany got addicted to after the polish invasion. Saddam has lost control of the resistance which will be far potent than it was if saddam controlled it and Iraq is far from free. And for you information, things are about to get much worst for all your boys, prepare to recieve more body bags. We the inhabitants of the ``Dark Corners of the world`` as stated by you president. Have now been reduced to speaking the only the language America understand and speaks. Violence, Death and War.
Iraqis are free and saddam has gone???.....Mr Ahmed you are more Middle american than i though you were. The bombing of the UN just when you imbecile president was about to grovel back to UN pleading for more forces , the very same UN he declared dead before going out to war. The rise in the number of dead US Soldiers. I think that you and your fellow american delude themselves, a condition Hiter`s Germany got addicted to after the polish invasion. Saddam has lost control of the resistance which will be far potent than it was if saddam controlled it and Iraq is far from free. And for you information, things are about to get much worst for all your boys, prepare to recieve more body bags. We the inhabitants of the ``Dark Corners of the world`` as stated by you president. Have now been reduced to speaking the only the language America understand and speaks. Violence, Death and War.
#53 Posted by Urstruly on September 4, 2003 5:28:37 am
feroz bhai
There is a urdu proverb in this regard, which goes like this ``khisyani billi khamba nochay``.
There is a urdu proverb in this regard, which goes like this ``khisyani billi khamba nochay``.
#52 Posted by ferozk on September 4, 2003 3:36:43 am
re: tahmed32
On a serious note, do you consider the Iraqis as free from Saddam`s regime even though most Iraqis consider the Anglo-American presence as an alien occupation. In other words, are the Iraqis really free; free to elect their own government and free to create their own institutional and constitutional infrastructures. There seems to be some disagreement on this issue of whether the Iraqis are free or not amongst the Iraqis themselves.
If you compare Iraq with Afghanistan, both were liberated from oppressive regimes, and in the case of Afghanistan, things are worse then they were when the Taliban regime collapsed nearly two years ago. When, in your opinion, the situation inside Iraq will improve?
Do you agree that the United States backed United Nations` sanction regime on Iraq from 1991-2003 did nothing to dislodge Saddam from power, but caused only suffering amidst the Iraqis? If democracy is the end result, what does an average Iraqi, who suffered under the sanctions as an exuse for bringing democracy really thinks about democracy that causes suffering?
Do you agree that the United Nation should be involved in the process as the United States seeks a United Nations` resolution to distribute the costs of ``burden sharing`` in Iraq?
Ciao
On a serious note, do you consider the Iraqis as free from Saddam`s regime even though most Iraqis consider the Anglo-American presence as an alien occupation. In other words, are the Iraqis really free; free to elect their own government and free to create their own institutional and constitutional infrastructures. There seems to be some disagreement on this issue of whether the Iraqis are free or not amongst the Iraqis themselves.
If you compare Iraq with Afghanistan, both were liberated from oppressive regimes, and in the case of Afghanistan, things are worse then they were when the Taliban regime collapsed nearly two years ago. When, in your opinion, the situation inside Iraq will improve?
Do you agree that the United States backed United Nations` sanction regime on Iraq from 1991-2003 did nothing to dislodge Saddam from power, but caused only suffering amidst the Iraqis? If democracy is the end result, what does an average Iraqi, who suffered under the sanctions as an exuse for bringing democracy really thinks about democracy that causes suffering?
Do you agree that the United Nation should be involved in the process as the United States seeks a United Nations` resolution to distribute the costs of ``burden sharing`` in Iraq?
Ciao
#51 Posted by m_souza on September 3, 2003 8:01:03 pm
Respected Tipu ke kaarname
Death, his dominion
Author: DK Mittal
Publication: The Pioneer
Date: June 13, 2003
In his letter, `Tipu Sultan: Eye of the tiger` (May 31), Mr Obaidur Rahman Nadwi alleges a section of religious fanatics (read Hindus) has launched ``a campaign to denigrate Muslims, particularly those who played a leading role in India`s struggle against the British. A recent publication. Tipu Sultan was a Patriot or a Religious Biggot? is part of this design``. The author, DH Shankara Murty, has reportedly said Tipu invited Afghans and other raiders from Central Asia to invade India with instructions ``execute a genocide of Hindus``. Mr Nadwi rubbishes the claim. How one wishes what he says were true!
But Tipu himself left behind personal accounts of his atrocities against the Hindus. These details can be found in two autobiographies: Sultan-ut Tawarikh and Tarikh-i-Khudadadi, housed in the India Office Library, London. Noted historian KM Panicker chanced upon Tipu`s correspondence at the India Office Library. These have since been published. Take a letter (March 22, 1788) written to Abdul Khadar: ``Over 12,000 Hindus were honoured with Islam ... Local Hindus should be brought before you and then converted to Islam. No Namboodri should be spared.``
In a letter (December 14, 1788), he said to his army commander in Calicut: ``You should capture and kill all Hindus. Those below 20 years may be kept in prison and 5,000 from the rest should be killed hanging from treetops``. Writing on January 19, 1790, to Badroos Saman Khan, he said: ``I have achieved a great victory recently in Malabar and over four lakh Hindus were converted to Islam. I am now determined to march against the cursed Raman Nair.`` Tipu issued orders in different parts of Malabar: ``All means, truth or falsehood, fraud or force, should be employed to effect their (Hindu) universal conversion to Islam`` (Historical Sketches of the South of India in an attempt to trace the History of Mysore, Mark Wilks Vol II, page 120).
Tipu corresponded with Zaman Shah, grandson Ahmad Shah Abdali and ruler of Afghanistan before the Third Mysore War (1792) and continued to do so till 1798. These letters were translated by Kabir Kausar in The History of Tipu Sultan. In one place, he wrote: ``My exalted ambition has for its object a holy war ... In the midst of this land the Almighty protects this trace of Muhammadan dominion like the Ark of Noah and cuts short the extended arm of the abandoned infidel``. In a letter dated February 5, 1797: ``We should unite in carrying on a holy war against the enemies of our religion.... Thine armies shall ... render us victorious.``
What Fra Bartolomaco, a Portuguese traveller and historian, saw in Malabar in 1790, he recorded in Voyage to East Indies: ``Most of the men and women were hanged in Calicut ... That barbarian Tipu Sultan tied naked Christians and Hindus to the legs of elephants ... till the bodies ... were torn to prices. Temples and churches were ordered to be burnt down, desecrated and destroyed ... I myself helped many victims to cross the Varappuzha river`` (pgs 141-142).
The sword of Tipu Sultan carried an inscription in Persian: ``My victorious Sabre is lightening for the destruction of the unbelievers. Thou art our Lord, make him victorious who promotes the faith of Muhammad. Confound him, who refuses the faith of Muhammad and withold us from those who are so inclined`` (History of Mysore, CH Rao, Vol III, p 1073). The Mysore Gazetteer also provides details about Tipu`s destruction of over 800 temples in South India. Who should we believe - Mr Nadwi or what Tipu Sultan`s own accounts and other contemporary records?
http://www.hvk.org/articles/0603/146.html
Death, his dominion
Author: DK Mittal
Publication: The Pioneer
Date: June 13, 2003
In his letter, `Tipu Sultan: Eye of the tiger` (May 31), Mr Obaidur Rahman Nadwi alleges a section of religious fanatics (read Hindus) has launched ``a campaign to denigrate Muslims, particularly those who played a leading role in India`s struggle against the British. A recent publication. Tipu Sultan was a Patriot or a Religious Biggot? is part of this design``. The author, DH Shankara Murty, has reportedly said Tipu invited Afghans and other raiders from Central Asia to invade India with instructions ``execute a genocide of Hindus``. Mr Nadwi rubbishes the claim. How one wishes what he says were true!
But Tipu himself left behind personal accounts of his atrocities against the Hindus. These details can be found in two autobiographies: Sultan-ut Tawarikh and Tarikh-i-Khudadadi, housed in the India Office Library, London. Noted historian KM Panicker chanced upon Tipu`s correspondence at the India Office Library. These have since been published. Take a letter (March 22, 1788) written to Abdul Khadar: ``Over 12,000 Hindus were honoured with Islam ... Local Hindus should be brought before you and then converted to Islam. No Namboodri should be spared.``
In a letter (December 14, 1788), he said to his army commander in Calicut: ``You should capture and kill all Hindus. Those below 20 years may be kept in prison and 5,000 from the rest should be killed hanging from treetops``. Writing on January 19, 1790, to Badroos Saman Khan, he said: ``I have achieved a great victory recently in Malabar and over four lakh Hindus were converted to Islam. I am now determined to march against the cursed Raman Nair.`` Tipu issued orders in different parts of Malabar: ``All means, truth or falsehood, fraud or force, should be employed to effect their (Hindu) universal conversion to Islam`` (Historical Sketches of the South of India in an attempt to trace the History of Mysore, Mark Wilks Vol II, page 120).
Tipu corresponded with Zaman Shah, grandson Ahmad Shah Abdali and ruler of Afghanistan before the Third Mysore War (1792) and continued to do so till 1798. These letters were translated by Kabir Kausar in The History of Tipu Sultan. In one place, he wrote: ``My exalted ambition has for its object a holy war ... In the midst of this land the Almighty protects this trace of Muhammadan dominion like the Ark of Noah and cuts short the extended arm of the abandoned infidel``. In a letter dated February 5, 1797: ``We should unite in carrying on a holy war against the enemies of our religion.... Thine armies shall ... render us victorious.``
What Fra Bartolomaco, a Portuguese traveller and historian, saw in Malabar in 1790, he recorded in Voyage to East Indies: ``Most of the men and women were hanged in Calicut ... That barbarian Tipu Sultan tied naked Christians and Hindus to the legs of elephants ... till the bodies ... were torn to prices. Temples and churches were ordered to be burnt down, desecrated and destroyed ... I myself helped many victims to cross the Varappuzha river`` (pgs 141-142).
The sword of Tipu Sultan carried an inscription in Persian: ``My victorious Sabre is lightening for the destruction of the unbelievers. Thou art our Lord, make him victorious who promotes the faith of Muhammad. Confound him, who refuses the faith of Muhammad and withold us from those who are so inclined`` (History of Mysore, CH Rao, Vol III, p 1073). The Mysore Gazetteer also provides details about Tipu`s destruction of over 800 temples in South India. Who should we believe - Mr Nadwi or what Tipu Sultan`s own accounts and other contemporary records?
http://www.hvk.org/articles/0603/146.html
#50 Posted by tahmed32 on September 3, 2003 7:12:51 pm
stuka: On support for the Iraq war - how could you forget the chowk article I wrote before the war started in which I supported the war and providing plenty of reasons for that. At least one of those reasons has already been proven correct by events: namely, that Saddam and his dasterdly regime is finished and the Iraqis are free.
However, i would not label myself a ``Conservative`` or anything: if a label must be applied to one`s way of thinking, ``Independent`` would seem to be what I flatter myself in trying to be.
However, i would not label myself a ``Conservative`` or anything: if a label must be applied to one`s way of thinking, ``Independent`` would seem to be what I flatter myself in trying to be.
#49 Posted by tahmed32 on September 3, 2003 3:56:43 pm
yogiraj #45 i am afraid your post is largely incomprehensible.
To make matters worse, you cut and paste something you yourself wrote in your earlier post, and then start shooting it down as if I had said it!!
Please re-read my post, and if you wish to respond to something I wrote, please cut and paste what I wrote (e.g. you could try responding to this that I did write: ``Could you refer to some posts on chowk that demonstrate the hatred towards India that you say you are matching??``).
So, once again, please respond to what I wrote, not to what you wrote! Can we have SOME standards of basic writing around here on chowk?? Puhleeeese? You are worse than Mr. twelve-head. And we all know what happened to him!!
To make matters worse, you cut and paste something you yourself wrote in your earlier post, and then start shooting it down as if I had said it!!
Please re-read my post, and if you wish to respond to something I wrote, please cut and paste what I wrote (e.g. you could try responding to this that I did write: ``Could you refer to some posts on chowk that demonstrate the hatred towards India that you say you are matching??``).
So, once again, please respond to what I wrote, not to what you wrote! Can we have SOME standards of basic writing around here on chowk?? Puhleeeese? You are worse than Mr. twelve-head. And we all know what happened to him!!
#48 Posted by sigalph235 on September 3, 2003 3:56:43 pm
Ah my friend Stuka, indomitable Ju88. Thanks for your kind words. Will be around for a bit but probably not as active. Feel the outrage about the Left`s inimitable hypocricy. All the hue and cry about the chaos under US administration of Iraq but not a squeak about how Saddam and his kids ran concentration camps, torture centers and what not. All the complaining about how sanctions killed kids but not a hoot about the fact that these kids were dying while SAddam ate gourmet food off gold plates. All the nonsense about America`s motives being only to neutralize a powerful Muslim country and not a trace of doubt when this `powerful` Muslim army ran away like girl scouts in both the Gulf Wars. Ah. but then I get carried away.
#47 Posted by stuka on September 3, 2003 1:30:27 pm
Sigalph:
Good to see you back. I really missed your presence in the run up to Iraq. 12 Years of sanctions, not one Lover or Iraq said a word. A short war, and it was as if the world is ending. The hypocricy and the double standards of the left know no limits. Anyways, please do stay on Chowk longer. It was getting lonely being a Republican around here.
Good to see you back. I really missed your presence in the run up to Iraq. 12 Years of sanctions, not one Lover or Iraq said a word. A short war, and it was as if the world is ending. The hypocricy and the double standards of the left know no limits. Anyways, please do stay on Chowk longer. It was getting lonely being a Republican around here.
#46 Posted by Urstruly on September 3, 2003 10:51:13 am
saigalph
At least you admit that such a class exists. I will present the evidence how it is created.
#45 Posted by yogiraj on September 3, 2003 9:32:37 am
``#37 by tahmed32 on September 2, 2003 9:11am PT
yogiraj#30 you write ``If any one is capable of matching hate and hatred that is being propogated on my nation. it is me. I do not oppologize at all on that. That does not mean I spit hatred just for heck of it. ``
If you want take it as tirade against you as a person, you are more than welcome. I never meant that. And if you think it was against you, I openly say I am sorry. But I stand by my position.
Hate?
Kargil for a starter. It was hate. Pure and simple.
When was the last time India intentionally attacked yours. (And Bragged)
For me Chowk is neither start or end of life. Sirjee there is a Island in Europe that starts with (operation) Gi..... Your second (or 3rd, 4th, 5th dictator had a plan). Was is love?. Come on. Give me a break. I am not whinning. I do not believe in whinning
What you do to your country is not, and never will be my problem. I do not and will not meddle in. I am and rightfully, should/would, be concerned about my own. Whether any one likes it or not... that is their problem.
I live with people who are around me. I have no choice, neither do they. I am stuck and so are they. May be they are horrible hindoos. May be they are terrorist Muslims. May be they are Jew who some books say must avoided at all cost. May be they idiots who never have shaved and call themself Sikhs. The list goes on. I do not believe that if hindoos are problem kill them all, or reduce them to such a minority that they will never matter. I do not agree that is true for some one who is not Hindoo in India.
There is something called as ``neer ksheer vikek budhee`` in my vocabulary. There is so much that is acceptable. Beyond that only ``stick`` works. And yes it works. It takes one second when some say either you are with us or....
I do not want to talk that language. My point is, if I have to and yes even on Chowk, I will say it
What I dislike is the consequences. My own, who I know for sure are not of ``type`` get crushed in the process. They are the innocent ones with no position, no choice. Acually it always innocent ones who get crushed.
Yogiraj Patil
yogiraj#30 you write ``If any one is capable of matching hate and hatred that is being propogated on my nation. it is me. I do not oppologize at all on that. That does not mean I spit hatred just for heck of it. ``
If you want take it as tirade against you as a person, you are more than welcome. I never meant that. And if you think it was against you, I openly say I am sorry. But I stand by my position.
Hate?
Kargil for a starter. It was hate. Pure and simple.
When was the last time India intentionally attacked yours. (And Bragged)
For me Chowk is neither start or end of life. Sirjee there is a Island in Europe that starts with (operation) Gi..... Your second (or 3rd, 4th, 5th dictator had a plan). Was is love?. Come on. Give me a break. I am not whinning. I do not believe in whinning
What you do to your country is not, and never will be my problem. I do not and will not meddle in. I am and rightfully, should/would, be concerned about my own. Whether any one likes it or not... that is their problem.
I live with people who are around me. I have no choice, neither do they. I am stuck and so are they. May be they are horrible hindoos. May be they are terrorist Muslims. May be they are Jew who some books say must avoided at all cost. May be they idiots who never have shaved and call themself Sikhs. The list goes on. I do not believe that if hindoos are problem kill them all, or reduce them to such a minority that they will never matter. I do not agree that is true for some one who is not Hindoo in India.
There is something called as ``neer ksheer vikek budhee`` in my vocabulary. There is so much that is acceptable. Beyond that only ``stick`` works. And yes it works. It takes one second when some say either you are with us or....
I do not want to talk that language. My point is, if I have to and yes even on Chowk, I will say it
What I dislike is the consequences. My own, who I know for sure are not of ``type`` get crushed in the process. They are the innocent ones with no position, no choice. Acually it always innocent ones who get crushed.
Yogiraj Patil
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