Musings Of A Suspected Terrorist

Dear Aamir

If you read the article, it clearly mentions that the 3.2% figure is for West Pakistan only in 1947 and 22% figure for Pakistan now ( even that is erroneous IMO and cited without reference). Nowhere does the author mention that ``22%`` includes the present day Bangladesh. Okay let us spare the author and assume that he made a (careless)mistake while citing a figure of 22% for Pakistan which should have been Pak+Bangladesh, as you want to believe. Then the figure of 3.2 % for the erstwhile Pak (Pak+Bangladesh) at the time of independence is absolute crap. Do some math and you will find out that for the combined region of Pak+Bangladesh to increase its share from 3.2% to 22% with respect to India would require astronomical growth rate. By astronomical I mean astronomical!!! My dear friend you must understand that the author is a third rate journalist with no idea of numbers he throws around. There are some other numbers in his article which are way off the mark, but I dont consider this author worthy of any more attention.


PS I believe that there should be a requirement for all Desi journalists to do some basic courses in statistical analysis. Also a basic knowledge of science and technology would go a long way in improving the standards of journalism. Whenever I read science/tech news comming from desi media, I can not help laughing out aloud.

#125 by jay on December 25, 2002 6:32pm PT

The great democrat... So your idea of democracy goes like this..

There cant be anything better than staying with us.. So they must be mad or harbour hatred against us to seperate from us..

Why the great pacifists of India cant accept the fact that a set of people did not chose to stay with them and prefered to live in a socitey where they can follow thier own cultural/religious way of life? Wethere they were right or wrong and wethere they achived a better life or not is not the business of the indians to think. They made their choice and live it for better or worse. Why should anybody tie his pride to that?

This false pride is what makes India cling on to kashmir as well as the states in the fareast all troubled with voilence and militancy.

I dont understand on what basis do many Indians justify the forcible keeping of these states.. Many give justification of common culture or presence of hindus etc.. I that case why is Nepal not a state of India or for that matter why is Sri Lanka not part of India?

This foolish expense of money and attention in keeping these areas under the control of India has cost dearly over the decades.


Why is there such constant feelign of hurt and need to demonise the other.

#34 by adnan_rafiq on December 22, 2002 9:33am PT

Good post...

These guys take positon of total innocence. Now who was funding the people behind th e progroms in Gujrat.. Most likely the guys like these were putting in thier contributions.

Now who can justify Al Quaida and not be criticized justifiably?
but the suppourters of VHP/Bajrang Dal/RSS etc and its front BJP and the people who ally with their agenda on mulsims in congress or other parties they consittue a good portion of India.

The shits like who rant here expect to hide their hate under the seeming reasonable critisizim of mulsims or Islam..

Notice how conviently most of them shy away from admitting any suppourt to the sangh.. But if every person on the various boards I encounter hates the Sangh are we to assume that that the millons who suppourt it have disappeared?

Most of them serioulsy belive that the hindus have been very peaceful thorughout time..
Now that means to there were no wars before the muslim invaders came....How absurd..
they convinently do not high light that even hindu kings raided temples.
There were mudreous and voilent interaction between the Vaishnavism and Shivism is conviniently forgotten
The expulsion or disappearnce of Buddhist creed once prevalent throughout India is suppossed to have come magically and without voilence...
The inherrent voilence in the caste system is convinently forgotten or explained away as a social structure of earlier times... as if it was some vauge discrimination in getting jobs ect.

The fact is that the voilent and terrorist face of the miitant hindu could be the one quietly sitting next to you in your office earning dollars writing code..

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#129 by rsaxena
//...everyone needs some holiday cheer...let his readers have theirs...//

Yep - let the pakis rant and rave like unhinged lunatics.

For rest of us - cheers for the chrismas gift , the delhi metro - a job well done.

Metro delight for Delhi residents
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2603033.stm
``city`s brand new metro rail system, said to be one of the most sophisticated in the world. ``

re: pankaj

{PS This so called ``journalist`` is a third rate author citing false data. In general, I find Desi media,especially Pakistani one (okay, call me a biased Indian :-)) to be full of stupid people with little training in logic. To add insult to the injury, they compound their mediocrity by not doing their homework before writing. }

...everyone needs some holiday cheer...let his readers have theirs...

For the benefit of the chowkies, I found a good interactive color coded world map where you can see the performance ratings of different govts in the world on issues such as corruption, accountability, rule of law etc.

http://info.worldbank.org/governance/kkz/gov2001map.asp



PS Pardesi, the first para in #122 is from the article and not from your post. Hamidm could be right in #121 when he discusses the prevailing views in India/Pak about each other.

re: hamidm

{.......... i am not suggesting that this pakistani ``international businessman`` is correct ....... as far as i know the guy might be an idiot and his figures are probably a mile off .......... all i am saying is that this represents a fairly common view of india in pakistan among the ``educated`` and ``enlightened`` .......as for the unwashed masses, they think that most hindoos are blood thirsty savages who eat little children for breakfast as they dance around kali mata ...........intractable postions on both sides ......... really, it is quite hopeless .......... the best we can hope for is a swift and painless nuclear exchange ............ }


...yup, can`t argue with that....

hamidm,

I read the linked article. What many posters like pankaj have missed is the notion of an average educated pakistani that the muslims of india is of their concern, the notion of umma. For them the fact that so many remained in india is a failure of the TNT, but they will not even let the muslims who are in pakistan, and who hailed from bangladesh allow to be pak citizens.

There is no doubt that the mind set of the educated pakistanis, entrenched in the ideas of umma, jihad and guided by the TNT mind set cannot create any semblence of indo pak peace. Pakistan is likely to be in the forefront of clash of civilisation and barbarism.

rsaxena

.......... i am not suggesting that this pakistani ``international businessman`` is correct ....... as far as i know the guy might be an idiot and his figures are probably a mile off .......... all i am saying is that this represents a fairly common view of india in pakistan among the ``educated`` and ``enlightened`` .......as for the unwashed masses, they think that most hindoos are blood thirsty savages who eat little children for breakfast as they dance around kali mata ...........intractable postions on both sides ......... really, it is quite hopeless .......... the best we can hope for is a swift and painless nuclear exchange ............

Pardesi#120

``For in 1947 the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) corresponding to the area called West Pakistan was only 3.2 per cent of the total GDP of British India. Now Pakistan’s GDP, 55billion dollars is nearly 22 per cent of the combined Indo-Pak GDP! ``

Let us visit the World Bank for the 2001 report on GDPs.

http://www.worldbank.org/data/databytopic/GDP.pdf

India: $ 477.555 bn
Pakistan: $59.605 bn
Bangladesh: $46.652 bn

I dont have the GDP figures for the erstwhile ``British India`` and I very much doubt the figure of ``3.2%`` that the author throws around without proper reference. The sources are important here since I am not aware if the proper GDP calculation for the area now comprising Pakistan(with Punjab partitioned) was ever done as a separate region in ``British India``. Secondly the actual share of Pak GDP as a percentage of the countries formerly a part of British India, i.e. India+Pak+Bangladesh, in 2001 is 10.2 % and not 22%. Also notice the incorrect comparison when the author compares Pak share of GDP in 1947 with respect to British India and to its share now with respect to India-Pak. Someone please inform the author that British India consisted of Bangladesh too. Even if we disregard Bangladesh`s GDP, the Pak share would be 59.6/(59.6+477.5)=11.1% in 2001 and not the absurd 22%.


PS This so called ``journalist`` is a third rate author citing false data. In general, I find Desi media,especially Pakistani one (okay, call me a biased Indian :-)) to be full of stupid people with little training in logic. To add insult to the injury, they compound their mediocrity by not doing their homework before writing.

re: hamidm

{http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_25-12-2002_pg3_4 }

...``Iqbal Latif is an international businessman``...hehe...i like the credibility of this author...about as much as urstruly...as fcuked up as india is, it is nowhere nearly as fcuked up as bakistan and both you and i know it...change in a country of a billion people that started with nothing takes time...

# 116
The “international businessman” in the article cited is wrong on many counts:

Per worldbank data for 2001, Pakistan’s GDP was $59.6B while India was at $457B. Therefore Pakistan is at 11.55% of combined GDP and not 22% as claimed by this businessman. I am sure, the numbers for 2002 won`t be that different.

Also, he states that Pakistan has “produced” 173,000 doctors since 1947, while “practicing” muslim doctors in India are 19,000. The esteemed businessman forgets that this is not fair comparison. Many muslim doctors produced in India since 1947 might have left India or just plain died. Just minor detail. Ofcourse we are not even talking about other major reasons - a large percentage of highly educated muslim families left for Pakistan in 1947.

http://devdata.worldbank.org/external/CPProfile.asp?SelectedCountry=PAK&CCODE=PAK&CNAME=Pakistan&PTYPE=CP

Hmm, folks what can Indians do to Pakistanis -- Pakis really -- that they won`t do to themselves?

I say to all Indians, forget wars, forget everything. Just keep up the pressure and watch them self destruct.

Oh yes, our leaders should feel free to threaten them once every 6 months. After all we need to keep their national security council well fed...

Right, of course not, there is no arms race in the INDIAN sub continent :)

#116 Hamidm2

Bouquet of fine Islamabadi roses are on its way.
Thanks.
:)

jay mian,

.......and this is the best possible view from pakistan:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_25-12-2002_pg3_4

............ so i guess we are at an impasse - so let the games begin and may the best eunuch win .........