Beynaam Badshah December 20, 2002
#167 Posted by arjun_m on December 31, 2002 7:44:20 pm
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#166 Posted by lifeisbeautiful on December 31, 2002 12:20:13 pm
The plan is that in four years, every visitor to the United States from every country will be registered and tracked. We are just at the top of the list.
As far as feeling like a criminal, my mother is a teacher in Houston, she has to go through a metal detector when she goes to work every day.. it doesn`t mean she is a criminal, it is for her protection as much as for other peoples. You are the one making yourself feel like a criminal.. stop taking it personally. Do you feel you are being treated like a criminal when you apply for a job and they ask for a drug test/criminal background check/credit check. When you use a credit card and they ask to see ID? The new INS regulations are not any different than any office building deciding that from now all visitors will have to sign in, which I`m sure you have experienced.
As far as feeling like a criminal, my mother is a teacher in Houston, she has to go through a metal detector when she goes to work every day.. it doesn`t mean she is a criminal, it is for her protection as much as for other peoples. You are the one making yourself feel like a criminal.. stop taking it personally. Do you feel you are being treated like a criminal when you apply for a job and they ask for a drug test/criminal background check/credit check. When you use a credit card and they ask to see ID? The new INS regulations are not any different than any office building deciding that from now all visitors will have to sign in, which I`m sure you have experienced.
#165 Posted by arjun_m on December 31, 2002 8:18:02 am
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#164 Posted by jay on December 31, 2002 7:27:00 am
Jinnah and secularism
According to a news report, Federal Minister Mahmood Ali have criticized those who say that Quaid-i-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah was a secularist, and added that ``he (the Quaid) never spoke about secularism and was a true Muslim``.
I am of the view that a Muslim, too, can be a secularist. Jinnah was a secularist, as evidenced by one of his pre-partition statements that it (Pakistan) was not to be ``a theocracy to be ruled by priests with a divine mission``.
He never envisioned that Pakistan would become the kind of retrograde theocratic state that Ziaul Haq turned it into.
Thus, all oppressive laws must be repealed in accordance with Jinnah`s vision of a liberal, secular and democratic state.
SHAMIM MIRZA
New York, USA
At last I am happy to find that the ministers are taking up the canard of the educated pakistanis that jinnah envisaged a secular pakistan. It is time that the educated pakistanis accepted the evolution of pakistan in line with the great ideology of TNT, which is essentially a political operationalisation of the notion of kafir.
The world is waiting for the true pure islamic republic of pakistan to emerge, devoid of any cultural influences of the hindus, true to the book, comlete with honour killings, blasophemy laws, and limb choppings.
According to a news report, Federal Minister Mahmood Ali have criticized those who say that Quaid-i-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah was a secularist, and added that ``he (the Quaid) never spoke about secularism and was a true Muslim``.
I am of the view that a Muslim, too, can be a secularist. Jinnah was a secularist, as evidenced by one of his pre-partition statements that it (Pakistan) was not to be ``a theocracy to be ruled by priests with a divine mission``.
He never envisioned that Pakistan would become the kind of retrograde theocratic state that Ziaul Haq turned it into.
Thus, all oppressive laws must be repealed in accordance with Jinnah`s vision of a liberal, secular and democratic state.
SHAMIM MIRZA
New York, USA
At last I am happy to find that the ministers are taking up the canard of the educated pakistanis that jinnah envisaged a secular pakistan. It is time that the educated pakistanis accepted the evolution of pakistan in line with the great ideology of TNT, which is essentially a political operationalisation of the notion of kafir.
The world is waiting for the true pure islamic republic of pakistan to emerge, devoid of any cultural influences of the hindus, true to the book, comlete with honour killings, blasophemy laws, and limb choppings.
#163 Posted by ahi441313 on December 30, 2002 7:30:54 am
actually i happened to be on the same flight and no one was nasty to me. maybe you shouldnt make an issue out of a non issue.
And if America really sucks, start refusing the mega bucks you get for bonuses from that bank of yours....
in any case... its a good thing you put your thoughts to paper, even if you needlessly decided to remain anonymous, Faisal.....
And if America really sucks, start refusing the mega bucks you get for bonuses from that bank of yours....
in any case... its a good thing you put your thoughts to paper, even if you needlessly decided to remain anonymous, Faisal.....
#162 Posted by AAmir on December 29, 2002 8:13:43 pm
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#161 Posted by arjun_m on December 28, 2002 4:23:50 pm
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#160 Posted by arjun_m on December 28, 2002 2:02:07 pm
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#159 Posted by Ashok on December 28, 2002 12:56:40 pm
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#158 Posted by Pankaj on December 28, 2002 12:37:40 pm
Stuka
``Very true..add Punjab, add the Bombay bomb blasts, add attacks on the Red Fort and the Parliament in Delhi. True enough dude, there is more to this hate than what Pakistan does in Kashmir``
No person/country escapes the law of Karma. Did you read that the people involved in the recent church bombings in Pakistan are suspected to be Jaish-e-Muhammad terrorists.
``Very true..add Punjab, add the Bombay bomb blasts, add attacks on the Red Fort and the Parliament in Delhi. True enough dude, there is more to this hate than what Pakistan does in Kashmir``
No person/country escapes the law of Karma. Did you read that the people involved in the recent church bombings in Pakistan are suspected to be Jaish-e-Muhammad terrorists.
#157 Posted by arjun_m on December 28, 2002 10:22:14 am
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#156 Posted by arjun_m on December 28, 2002 10:13:58 am
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#155 Posted by sadna on December 28, 2002 7:54:24 am
stuka #151
``Very true..add Punjab, add the Bombay bomb blasts, add attacks on the Red Fort and the Parliament in Delhi. True enough dude, there is more to this hate than what Pakistan does in Kashmir.``
Add to that this, loose talk about the `unfinished business of Partition` to accompany all this. Pakistan has no problem with propagating this sort of irresponsible stance while shedding crocodile tears for Indian Muslims at the same time.
``Very true..add Punjab, add the Bombay bomb blasts, add attacks on the Red Fort and the Parliament in Delhi. True enough dude, there is more to this hate than what Pakistan does in Kashmir.``
Add to that this, loose talk about the `unfinished business of Partition` to accompany all this. Pakistan has no problem with propagating this sort of irresponsible stance while shedding crocodile tears for Indian Muslims at the same time.
#154 Posted by rsaxena on December 27, 2002 3:18:16 pm
re: stuka
{Very true..add Punjab, add the Bombay bomb blasts, add attacks on the Red Fort and the Parliament in Delhi. True enough dude, there is more to this hate than what Pakistan does in Kashmir. }
...jewish settlers did it...
{Very true..add Punjab, add the Bombay bomb blasts, add attacks on the Red Fort and the Parliament in Delhi. True enough dude, there is more to this hate than what Pakistan does in Kashmir. }
...jewish settlers did it...
#153 Posted by Manjit on December 27, 2002 3:18:16 pm
stuka # 152
ISI is pretty successful in Pakistan. No one knows that better than Pakistan`s prime ministers who can not step inside the country.
ISI is pretty successful in Pakistan. No one knows that better than Pakistan`s prime ministers who can not step inside the country.
#152 Posted by stuka on December 27, 2002 12:03:19 pm
Ali:
``So that absolves the likes of you of any wrong doing while you can condemm pakistan??? ``
Did I say it absolves us of wrong doing? No, I didn`t. We are culpable as a society for allowing massacres of Muslims who are Indian citizens. There is no two ways on that.
When both the behaviour of hindus in India as well as muslims in pakistan is same what gives you a chip on you shoulder??
The chip on the shoulder comes from the fact that our government does not encourage terrorism in your country. We do not have private groups infiltrating into Pakistan under covering artillery fire of the Indian Army. We wouldn`t care if the actions of Jehadis were limited to Pakistan but if they are encouraged to spread mayhem in India, damn right it`s our problem and gives us a chip on the shoulder.
``Why exactly do you hate pakistan??? Do the you hate Biharis because many dalits are masssacared there? ``
True enough, I wouldn`t. But if Biharis start killing non Biharis, if they come to Bombay and blow up the Bombay Stock Exchange and then run back to Bihar where the government allows them open refuge, yes I would hate them.
``There is more to this hate than what pakistan does in kashmir.. ``
Very true..add Punjab, add the Bombay bomb blasts, add attacks on the Red Fort and the Parliament in Delhi. True enough dude, there is more to this hate than what Pakistan does in Kashmir.
``So that absolves the likes of you of any wrong doing while you can condemm pakistan??? ``
Did I say it absolves us of wrong doing? No, I didn`t. We are culpable as a society for allowing massacres of Muslims who are Indian citizens. There is no two ways on that.
When both the behaviour of hindus in India as well as muslims in pakistan is same what gives you a chip on you shoulder??
The chip on the shoulder comes from the fact that our government does not encourage terrorism in your country. We do not have private groups infiltrating into Pakistan under covering artillery fire of the Indian Army. We wouldn`t care if the actions of Jehadis were limited to Pakistan but if they are encouraged to spread mayhem in India, damn right it`s our problem and gives us a chip on the shoulder.
``Why exactly do you hate pakistan??? Do the you hate Biharis because many dalits are masssacared there? ``
True enough, I wouldn`t. But if Biharis start killing non Biharis, if they come to Bombay and blow up the Bombay Stock Exchange and then run back to Bihar where the government allows them open refuge, yes I would hate them.
``There is more to this hate than what pakistan does in kashmir.. ``
Very true..add Punjab, add the Bombay bomb blasts, add attacks on the Red Fort and the Parliament in Delhi. True enough dude, there is more to this hate than what Pakistan does in Kashmir.
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