Gujrat - The Verdict Of God

lalitvanshaj: well said. I`ve been looking for answers, and I don`t know them. I heard similar things from people who live in India (my relatives). Things to the effect that Hindus mobs did not `act`, but they did `react`.

And as you say, there are extremists, and die hard fanatics on both sides, but both sides need to be objective and start putting out fires rather than continuing the...`but you did it first`.

Hope to hear more from you, we need more balanced Indian viewpoints on Chowk.

Great Article, Partha! Think about the below....

`` Will the criminals of the Post-Godhra carnage - of all hues - including rapists, looters and horrific murderers - be allowed to continue to roam freely,.... ``

But before that, will the criminals of the Godhra Train Burning Carnage continue to roam free? It sparked the whole thing, & yet, one by one; under political pressure; each of the accused is being let out...if it is any consolation to you, pls. know that the 28 accused Hindus for the Best Bakery burning in Manjalpur, Baroda post-Godhra are still in jail...

`` Why did the ELECTION COMMISSION and the SURPREME COURT allowing such blatant communal campaigning? ``

Agree absolutely...the EC & Supreme should have banned all Congress candidates for getting the advt. published by the Maulavis for Muslims to vote for Cong...not that it would hv made much of a difference, though:-)

`` Accused 1st - RELIGION : (the supporters of the concept of God - including communal parties) for perpetually creating the impression that their religion was being threatened by the other``

Agree again, all Muslim leadership should be accused for constantly shouting ``Islam Khatre main hai`` all over the world for the past 1400+
yrs...

``Accused 2nd - The EDUCATION system :.... for having `demonised` muslims ``

....agree again, & surely; the same applies to Madrassas for preaching jihadi hatred against non-Muslims too?

``Accused 3rd - The MEDIA : for having carried the message of lies and hate from the obnoxious, perverted mind to the ordinary man, and for inciting mobs into a killing frenzy. ``

Oh, so when repoting is from the burning ghettos, it is `balanced`, but reporting on the burning train becomes `inciting mobs into killing frenzy`...this great distinction would have of course nothing to do with the victims` religion; or your pseudo-secular beliefs, surely?

`` Accused 5 th : The LEGAL system of the country : for taking a lenient view of communal activities in our country, including communal politics and communal organisations and the hatred-spreading media. ``

Especially the media for its `All Gujaratis are murderors stance``...have you noticed that after the slap the Media & the Pseuds got in the elections, they`ve dropped Gujarat-bashing like a hot potato? The TRPs were suffering, I guess...

& this from the front page of the `Dawn` today...

``...Elsewhere in Kashmir, militants allegedly burnt down 45 houses belonging to Hindus in Rajouri district, 150km from Jammu, police said.
Most of the houses were empty as the residents had fled following a recent attack on their village, a police official said...``

Now, the Dawn of course is a much more Secular newspaper - The same story is also carried in that Flagship of Psedo-secularism, the Times of India, where the word `Hindu` has been replaced by the words `Particular Community`..as if it were a community of Martians!...But surely, Partha; you & likes of you will say nothing just as you have said nothing for the past 14 yrs. while Kashmir was Ethnically Cleansed of the Hindus....& that too, I am sure has nothing to do again with the religion of the victims or your pseudo-sec beliefs....

It is the biased & Pseudo-Secs like the TOI & Partha that give fodder to the Fundamentalists like Togadia....both are justifiers of Jinnah`s 2 nation theory!

Post-Godhra was wrong...but Godhra was wrong too...both were expressions of religious intolerence of the most extreme kind, but there is a need for even-handedness : Criticising one & not even mentioning the other is Pseudo & Criminal !

Ref Tipu #1

[So some 2,500 killings were a `disturbance` while 59 were a `carnage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]

From 1,200, the number of dead has gone to 2,000 and now 2,500. In the case of the WTC, the number of dead came down from an estimate of 4,800 to nearly 2900. But in the case of Gujarat, the number of dead keeps going up.

The second things is that all these dead are classified as Muslims. We all know that Hindus also died in the `disturbances` and were made homeless too. Unless, like Prophet Muhammad`s parents people become Muslims posthumously, this is a bit hard to digest.

Just like the number of dead in Kashmir bandied around has now gone up to 90,000 and the unstated assumption is that all of them were Muslims despite the murders of Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists and Muslims. Just like the unstated assumption that all of these died at the hands of the Indian Army whereas a large number was killed by Islamic militants.

Try to keep an objective perspective.

very philosophic but can such intellectual extravaganza redeem the minority community which was subjected to state terrorism in collusion with thugs of Sang Parivar/ BJP. God only knows the extent of the death and destruction cuased among the defenceless minority though one would sympathize with any genuine sufferers even among the majority. The facade of Indian secularism has fooled the west admirably despite the fact that minorities like Muslims, Christains and Sikhs experience terrorism/ killing and loss of honour and property, quite frequently, at the hands of evil elements dominating the Indian society and state. Lately such elements are assured of state patronage rendering PM vajpaee a parody of his own earleir reputation.
Indians must realize that a Hindu India would be like Nazi-Germany. The good ones must rise against such vicious groups who are out to undo India finally like the Soviet Union, despite ite nuclear pretensions while spreading inhuman poverty among the low-castes who are treated as srtray dogs in the society.

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