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Quinton Zondervan January 2, 2003

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#7 Posted by qyz on January 6, 2003 8:29:53 am
America will invade Iraq because it can. Whatever the reasons are in Mr. Bush`s head and those of his advisors, you hit the nail square on the head: who will stop them/us :-( Not lonely protesters like those 2 women you saw; not the upcoming protest in DC I wish I could attend. We won`t attack N. Korea because the cost would be too high. Iraq is a paper tiger; N. Korea is not. And so world politics continues to be dominated by might is right, as it has been for all human history. It is clear that the Bush administration is not interested in advancing world politics beyond the neolithic. Who can blame them? The American public seems to be equally uninterested.

Q
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#6 Posted by nasah on January 5, 2003 2:04:13 pm
A War for Oil?
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
(excerpt)

Our family spent winter vacation in Colorado, and one day I saw the most unusual site: two women marching around the Aspen Mountain ski lift, waving signs protesting against war in Iraq.

One sign said: ``Just War or Just Oil?``

As I watched this two-woman demonstration, I couldn`t help notice the auto traffic whizzing by them: one gas-guzzling S.U.V. or Jeep after another, with even a Humvee or two tossed in for good measure.

The whole scene made me wonder whether those two women weren`t — indeed — asking the right question:

Is the war that the Bush team is preparing to launch in Iraq really a war for oil?

My short answer is yes.

Any war we launch in Iraq will certainly be — in part — about oil. To deny that is laughable. But whether it is seen to be only about oil will depend on how we behave before an invasion and what we try to build once we`re there.

I say this possible Iraq war is partly about oil because it is impossible to explain the Bush team`s behavior otherwise.

Why are they going after Saddam Hussein with the 82nd Airborne and North Korea with diplomatic kid gloves — when North Korea already has nuclear weapons, the missiles to deliver them, a record of selling dangerous weapons to anyone with cash, 100,000 U.S. troops in its missile range

and a leader who is even more cruel to his own people than Saddam?

One reason, of course, is that it is easier to go after Saddam.

But the other reason is oil — even if the president doesn`t want to admit it.

(Mr. Bush`s recent attempt to hype the Iraqi threat by saying that an Iraqi attack on America — which is most unlikely — ``would cripple our economy`` was embarrassing. It made the president look as if he was groping for an excuse to go to war, absent a smoking gun.)…(NYT)

So the President is INVADING Iraq -- and waging a BLOODY War against Iraq -- to prevent -- ``Iraq attack on America`` ???

Bravo!! -- what a flight of imagination!!!

against -- Bush`s claims:

that Saddam`s Iraq -- an impoverished half the Texas size -- third world country -- will one day ``attack America``? -- and that Saddam has ``one or two nuclear bombs hidden`` -- in his closet --

especially at a time when US is confronted with a far more dangerous KIM`s REAL LIVE Nuclear Bombs and their delivery Missiles --

one can only say -- WOW...

It shows the Ostrich like demented thought process -- of this college C-grader President -- with an appallingly limited vocabulary -- and an idiotic choice of words -- that is evenly matched by his unlimited capacity -- to LIE with a straight face – a magnitude of LYING that would make even Herr GOEBELS squirm in his grave..

now -- the 64 dollars/barrel question is:

where is the Christian MORALITY of our political system -- compaed to the Islamic -- IMMORALITY -- of Saddam`s political system --

Saddam invaded Kuwait for OIL -- now BUSH is invading Iraq for OIL --

what`s the DIFFERENCE -- speaking OILILY -- or in terms of -- ``Invading for Oil`` business -- between SADDAM and BUSH -- folks??

btw -- Saddam got thrashed for invading -- who will thrash Bush for doing the SAME...???
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#5 Posted by qyz on January 5, 2003 9:05:30 am
Dear hamidm2,

I love you too :-) God or not, extinction is all but inevitable. The question is merely whether we will choose to prolong the inevitable or bring it down upon ourselves. Unless you are suicidal, I can`t imagine why you would choose the latter! Yet choices are made for us everyday that may well lead us to a premature extinction, or at least the temporary interruption of our civilization. A prospect I personally do not relish. So to hell with Bush and his war; I say peace!

Q
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#4 Posted by DRUMZ on January 4, 2003 8:40:33 am
At the very least Amerikkka is now fighting an enemy capable of hitting back.

It is none the less amusing to see how America is scared sh1tless of N. Korea.

They must think we`re real dumb if they accept us to believe thier naive spin doctoring... But at a Desi website, they`re gonna be more then half right.
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#3 Posted by Pankaj on January 3, 2003 1:33:43 pm
nasah miaN

Bush has made up his mind on war with Iraq. There is absolutely nothing anyone can do to stop the sole superpower on earth. Right now Bush and company are desparately trying to come up with any reason real or imaginary to justify war. N. Korea, in all probability has WMD including nuclear weapons(courtesy Pakistan). And it is irrational enough to use nukes if US pushes it into a corner. So Dubya would talk diplomacy with N. Korea.
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#2 Posted by nasah on January 3, 2003 9:51:11 am
and once again the world is about ot be engulfed in a gulf2 war -- because of a moron in the white house.

The Weirdest Foreign Policy of the Weirdest President that ever occupied the White House --

the Juvenile Junior -- like a bumbling buffoon -- tries to learn how to answer questions on the the patently moronic dichotomy of his -- Iraq vs. North Korea policy -- and what to say to the Press on some of the same questions -- that are being asked on -- THIS Board.

Today -- the NYT gives a glimpse of how the mediocre advisors of this mediocre President -- are frantically scurrying like rats -- trying to find some `logical` answers to spoon-feed this infantile President about his daily stupid babbles about -- waging war against Iraq --

a country -- that emphatically says it does not have nuclear material -- a country that is allowing Inspectors to check any evidence to the contrary --

BUT Diplomacy-No war -- against North Korea

a country -- that just booted out all UN inspectors, IEAE inspectors -- so unceremoniously.

NYT writes -- ``Mr. Bush`s aides say .... in the next few weeks they plan to assert that Iraq is a special case, impervious to the kinds of economic pressure that Mr. Bush is trying with North Korea. ``We have basically exhausted diplomacy and containment in Iraq,`` one senior administration official said today. ``We haven`t in Korea.``

(NOW THAT`S IS A PURE LILLY WHITE LIE -- the opposite is true -- Clinton talked to North Korean for 8 years to no avail -- we had no diplomacy with Iraq only war)

NYT -- ``But in private, several of the president`s advisers acknowledge that the North Korean crisis has complicated their diplomatic task at the United Nations. So has Mr. Bush`s determination that a pre-emptive strike on North Korea is not viable even if Mr. Kim is only months away from adding to his nuclear arsenal, the advisers say.

``We will be facing considerable skepticism on the question of how we can justify confrontation with Saddam when he is letting inspectors into the country, and a diplomatic solution with Kim when he`s just thrown them out,`` one senior diplomat acknowledged today. ``And we`re working on the answer.``

(did u wash massa bush`s milk bottle, mama Condoleezza)

NYT cont. -- ``After a four-mile hike around his 1,600-acre ranch today, Mr. Bush made his most direct public criticism of Mr. Kim since the Korean crisis began.

Mr. Bush described Mr. Kim as ``somebody who starves his people`` and who knowingly violated the 1994 agreement with the United States to forgo nuclear weapons in return for energy aid.

(now THAT `forceful` critcism should CUT `Mr. Kim` to pieces and to smithereens -- it is so `forceful` it is equivalent to dropping ten daisy cutters on the heads of Iraqi Children!!)

``We`ve got a great heart,`` Mr. Bush said of the United States, noting the nation`s food donations to North Korea, ``but I have no heart for somebody who starves his folks.``

(sure mr. president u got great heart for the `starvin` North Korean Kommunists -- but a `no heart` – only Laser Bombs -- for the non starving -- sanction-fattened -- Iraqi children)

NYT contd. –“ Mr. Bush`s comments today were noticeably different in tone from his encounter with reporters outside a Crawford coffee shop on New Year`s Eve.

At that time he was harshly critical of Mr. Hussein — suggesting he might be hiding nuclear weapons — but he made no mention of North Korea`s weapons projects, its ejection of inspectors or any consequences it might face.

The lopsided nature of his comparison worried some of Mr. Bush`s advisers, (it`s about time for the living dead like mr. cheney to get worried) who feared that he was not sending a strong enough message to Mr. Kim.````(NYT)

what a mess -- only God will save this Country from its current cabal of stupid war mongering `saviors` -- holed up in the White House.



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#1 Posted by hamidm2 on January 2, 2003 1:32:24 pm
.......... if all that is left are idiots like jay and david then maybe extinction is not such a bad option ........ and how do we know that god did not plan for us to be extinct so that the earthworms can inherit the earth - it is rather presumptious of us to think that they simply meant to be fish bait .........

.............this is the kind of sop that gives pacifism a bad name - we need some good spokesmen like pat buchanan who can speak boldly and loudly instead of whimpering like a little girl .............

...........next!


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