Rasheed Talib December 26, 2002
#11 Posted by Layman on December 27, 2002 7:30:48 am
The middle class Hindu, in my opinion, suffers from a large inferiority complex on several counts: having been ruled by firangs for so long, being in a technologically backward and poor country, poor in sports, academics, everything, and having a history of being ruled by muslim invaders who destroyed Hindu temples and were generally detrimental to the caste groups that make up today`s Hindu middle class.
To this, the Hindu middle class person reacts in two ways:
- Build up / glorify the past - with truth, half-truths and falsehoods; believing the past was a kind of a golden age till the invaders destroyed everything.
- Take their anger out on the muslims. Of course they cannot take it out on anybody else - the brits packed their bags and left long ago.
Glorifying the past is an activity that several groups have indulged in. Some upwardly mobile castes in South India that were pathetically poor some generations ago, have reinvented themselves as having been landlords or army generals or rulers... The situation is the same for muslims too, who like hindus have also been left behind by the forward march of the west. You can find any number of articles on the net regarding how everything is in the quran, the golden age of muslims, when they led inventions and discoveries and so on.
Even learned journalists indulge in this. The basis for all this, in my opinion, is an inferiority complex.
To this, the Hindu middle class person reacts in two ways:
- Build up / glorify the past - with truth, half-truths and falsehoods; believing the past was a kind of a golden age till the invaders destroyed everything.
- Take their anger out on the muslims. Of course they cannot take it out on anybody else - the brits packed their bags and left long ago.
Glorifying the past is an activity that several groups have indulged in. Some upwardly mobile castes in South India that were pathetically poor some generations ago, have reinvented themselves as having been landlords or army generals or rulers... The situation is the same for muslims too, who like hindus have also been left behind by the forward march of the west. You can find any number of articles on the net regarding how everything is in the quran, the golden age of muslims, when they led inventions and discoveries and so on.
Even learned journalists indulge in this. The basis for all this, in my opinion, is an inferiority complex.
#10 Posted by Saminasha on December 27, 2002 7:30:48 am
Well done!
What isn`t new; the indoctrination of eco/soc/pol/rac marginalised people/youth, the fundo dismissal of secularist ideology (I can think of two interactors who use the phrase ``Maculay`s children`` regularly), the revision of history...there are undeniable parrallels here btn Indian and Pakistani fundos...
What isn`t new; the indoctrination of eco/soc/pol/rac marginalised people/youth, the fundo dismissal of secularist ideology (I can think of two interactors who use the phrase ``Maculay`s children`` regularly), the revision of history...there are undeniable parrallels here btn Indian and Pakistani fundos...
#9 Posted by stuka on December 27, 2002 7:30:48 am
Amit:
``These attempts at ``saffronization`` of Indian education are doomed to fail. The reason is purely economic, since such students will not be able to compete and prosper in the Indian economy. ``
Ummm, no. If the Indian middle class movews towards rapid saffronization, as is happening in India nowadays, the warped education of Hindutva is reality. Idiots like Joshi want to teach astrology as a science. That is more dangerous to India than a dozen nukes. The Indian middle class is moving steadily towards becoming mindless religious robots if I am to go with the increased presence of religion in the masses. What they need is one solid gaand pey laath to wake them up.
The only hope I have is that we Khatris and non Brahmins have such contempt for Pandits that we don`t mind making them Bhikaris, unlike Islamic countries where they hold the maulvi in high esteem. If the Indian people could vote out a government because Onion prices were high, I have hope for them.
``These attempts at ``saffronization`` of Indian education are doomed to fail. The reason is purely economic, since such students will not be able to compete and prosper in the Indian economy. ``
Ummm, no. If the Indian middle class movews towards rapid saffronization, as is happening in India nowadays, the warped education of Hindutva is reality. Idiots like Joshi want to teach astrology as a science. That is more dangerous to India than a dozen nukes. The Indian middle class is moving steadily towards becoming mindless religious robots if I am to go with the increased presence of religion in the masses. What they need is one solid gaand pey laath to wake them up.
The only hope I have is that we Khatris and non Brahmins have such contempt for Pandits that we don`t mind making them Bhikaris, unlike Islamic countries where they hold the maulvi in high esteem. If the Indian people could vote out a government because Onion prices were high, I have hope for them.
#8 Posted by stuka on December 27, 2002 7:30:48 am
How about banning the liberal arts from the Indian curriculum? The only people who study arts are losers basically. They can all be sent into Business and Commerce streams, and the intelligent ones go for tech based majors.
#7 Posted by Saminasha on December 27, 2002 7:30:47 am
Amit,
Actually, the support that the saffron brigage receives will most likely come from groups in New York City. There is a significant number of affluent conservative Hindu Indian communities that support some of the principles that are outlined in this article...
Actually, the support that the saffron brigage receives will most likely come from groups in New York City. There is a significant number of affluent conservative Hindu Indian communities that support some of the principles that are outlined in this article...
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#4 Posted by qusman1 on December 26, 2002 10:20:30 pm
sample comments from a Pathetically Proud Indian
i AM outraged. chee chee. how can you mention our INDIA and _pakasthaan_ (all lowercase!) in one breath?
now i`m so so secular na. but godhra was an outrage and all the rest is politics only. these badmash pakis are taking full advantage of it, like flies. and yet they have no democracy and did kargil to us. but we are secular and proud hyenas and therefore lick our chops.
[400 cut-and-paste lines establishing my genuinely secular and upper-caste-condescending-muslim-coddling-indian-unity-insecure-Gandhian credentials]
Ooh and our temples being attacked in broad daylight only by parvej mooshie .... arff, arff, yelp, yelp, squeal, sqeal
-signed, etc.
murli (OR murlia) mahaan
[sadly, this is the kind of base discourse one tends to see from `neighbors` on this forum]
#3 Posted by _digit on December 26, 2002 10:20:29 pm
The author wrote:
``Need one say any more about the Pakistani concept of science or, for that matter, about Dr Joshi`s vision of education in India?``
I have no idea why the author chose to talk about pseudo-science Pakistani-style when comparing it to an RSS run `madrasa`. A likely analogy is that both are recruiting grounds for millitants, so why the focus on Dr. Hoodboy`s thoughts on ``Islamic science``? This, even when ``Islamic`` science (or rather the nonsense Dr. Hoodboy labels as ``Islamic science``) isn`t taught in your typical militant-run madrasa.
#2 Posted by Humsab on December 26, 2002 10:20:29 pm
``Is this the sort of education we Indians want in our school system?``
No, Absolutely No.
No, Absolutely No.
#1 Posted by amit on December 26, 2002 10:20:29 pm
These attempts at ``saffronization`` of Indian education are doomed to fail. The reason is purely economic, since such students will not be able to compete and prosper in the Indian economy. Pakistan has Saudi and other external funding available to support its madrasa and mullah culture. India does not have the financial means nor does it have any external benefactors to support a similar industry of brainwashed fanatics. Of course, our RSS types will try to mimic Pakistan in this regard but they have no chance of widespread success.
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