Creation of Hindu ’madrasas’

re: mohar11

{PS: FarzanaVersey in post #76 is opposed to the use of the term ``madrasa`` for describing the hindu right-wing schools. I hope she is NOT trying to brush the muslim right-wing elements under the carpet. }


...you have any doubt?...a bigot ranting about other bigots...haha....why do you think she finds an audience on chowk (i.e. lots of pakistanis) but not in the mainstream indian media, who for some reason have no problem with other muslim journalists such as mj akbar, seema mustafa, etc. but do with her?....

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to the Indian and Pakistani ullu kay pathay arguing here about which country is better,

give it up, the whole subcontinent is a wasteland, Pakistan and India both in different ways..... just look at yourselves patting each other on the back and spitting hatred into each others faces, spreading negativity.......that`s all your good for.

go do something nice for someone for a change.

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``Hindu Madrassa`` - very interesting combination of words used by the author to describe the phenomenon of right-wing education in schools run by RSS. I hope the author realises the full implications of such descriptions.

Obviously, as the author pointed out, RSS-run schools have a very prominent streak of negative agenda which could potentially bloom into a full-blown virulent anti-minority sentiments among the future generation of Hindus - thus propelling the secular coutry into a very dangerous religious conflict. Such attempts by the hindu right-wing types who are running these ``hindu madrasas`` must be resisted by all means.

While we are at it - what do we do about the actual madrassas ( i.e. muslim madrasas ) - thousands of which have been running all over the country funded by deep-pocketed fundamentalist wahabi Saudi benefactors? Many of these madrasas claim to do exactly the same as the RSS-run `sishu mandirs` claim to do i.e. provide low cost education to the poor with an extra emphasis on their respective religions.

There are a lot of similarities between the madrasas and RSS-run `shisu mandirs` - that is why the author has dubbed the `shisu mandirs` as ``hindu madrasas``. Now - we are going to eliminate such hindu madrasas. Do we also eliminate muslim madrasas? Wihtout doubt - some of them have been centers of minority fundamentalism ( SIMI type people ) for quite sometime.

In fact - the RSS types argue that - the recent surge of hindu madrasas is in direct response to the un-regulated muslim madrasas that have been sprouting all over the country with help of saudi money and that many of these madrasas have very diabolic designs for the country considering the fact that the money is coming from very fundamentalist muslim individuals.

While on the subject of right-wing education in the country - I think it is important to focus on both sides of the ``great divide``.


PS: FarzanaVersey in post #76 is opposed to the use of the term ``madrasa`` for describing the hindu right-wing schools. I hope she is NOT trying to brush the muslim right-wing elements under the carpet.

re:#81 by stuka

``The intellectual capital of the Hindutva movement is led by Brahmins.``
How so? please explain.
Sridhar

Saminasha:

``No Macy`s doesnt care...which is why I buy at places that support unions...and it still doesnt take a lot of brains to come up with capitalism...it does however, seem to require much less soul and character. ``

Have you ever lived in an actual socialist society? To me unionism is Datta Samant calling a strike and bringing the whole city of Bombay to stand still, depriving the poorest of the poor from making their daily wages. Unionism is rampant in the state of Kerala, where literacy is highest along with unemployment because there is no capital investment. Unions have their importance. Unions help in mantaining a balance. But unionism gone rampant brings about economic ruin as the study of any socialist state will tell you.

As far as living wages is concerned, I agree with your point on living wages for teachers, but ultimately you cannot dictate to society how much to pay for a certain skill. The gap can certainly be filled with activism directed towards making society learn butnot by mandation.

re: ferozk

{Again, thank you for answering the reasons behind my questions and as you have proved by your own answers that the Indians are not perfect. Hence, when you claim a superority over Pakistanis and Pakistan, you are in fact preaching hypocricy and simply come across as being hypocritical. }

...so according to this logic of yours, america is no better than the taliban because americans too have imperfections in their society?...are you kidding?????....

Saminasha:

``No Macy`s doesnt care...which is why I buy at places that support unions...and it still doesnt take a lot of brains to come up with capitalism...it does however, seem to require much less soul and character. ``

Have you ever lived in an actual socialist society? To me unionism is Datta Samant calling a strike and bringing the whole city of Bombay to stand still, depriving the poorest of the poor from making their daily wages. Unionism is rampant in the state of Kerala, where literacy is highest along with unemployment because there is no capital investment. Unions have their importance. Unions help in mantaining a balance. But unionism gone rampant brings about economic ruin as the study of any socialist state will tell you.

As far as living wages is concerned, I agree with your point on living wages for teachers, but ultimately you cannot dictate to society how much to pay for a certain skill. The gap can certainly be filled with activism directed towards making society learn butnot by mandation.

Sridhar:

The intellectual capital of the Hindutva movement is led by Brahmins.

FerozeK:

``Could you please explain, how you are better than Pakistan and Pakistanis? ``

1984, 1992, 2002...IN TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO OUR OWN CITIZENS WE ARE WORSE OFF THAN YOU. There is one lement of a false analogy. If there had been a complete transfer of religions in 1947 then we would not have anti Muslim violence either. India made a deliberate choice to remain secular and it is the obligation of the state to mantain that commitment.

Where our state has done better is that it has not yet ceded control to non government agencies as far as Pakistan or the West is concerned. That`s why the entire world views Pakistan differently from India. They would not care about what you do to your own citizens if the Islamic groups were only concerned with Pakistan, only targetted Pakistanis etc. Our comarative advantage is just that our extremist groups are inward looking and are not looking to export a Hindu revolution abroad. The state has control on India`s external projection, your does not. Simple.

Romair:

``i.e. true Hinduvta parties would want shudars to remain shudars. ``

You have no clue about Hindutva then. There is a big difference between Islamic and Hindutva movements. Islamic movements are dogmatic. They are against the corruption of the specifics in the Koran. Hindutva otoh is led by, and believed in, by those who are most disgusted by the weakness of Hinduism. The biggest weakness of Hinduism is ofcourse the caste system as it sets Hindu against Hindu, thereby weakening it. Ergo, do not get rid of the caste system but get rid of hierarchy of caste. In that sense Hindutva propents are closer to Islam than regular castist Hindus. You are right about the anti-Muslim bias though. Unlike ordinary secular Hindus who may have a political animus against Pakistan (like I have an animus against the Pak Army and ISI but not against Pakis who are ordinary Joes like anyone else) these guys have a sense of historical grievance against all Muslims. Indian especially because they are a reminder of past humiliation.

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Mr. Rasheed Talib:
I do hope your paper gets exposure in the Indian media. Though I think you have consolidated the misplaced view of Islam by calling the revival of Hindu thought in modern education as ‘madrassa’, much as all resurgent regressive movements are referred to as ‘Talibanisation’. However, you need not worry too much about not being an expert on Hindutva, for it is not a religion or an ideology; it is a mere knee-jerk reaction.

‘Hindu madrassas’ have existed in subtle forms always – be it the cultural institutions where mythology is ingrained, or the tilt in school books where the villains are the outsiders even if they contributed considerably to our society. More aggressively, the RSS and Shiv Sena shakhas have been focused on promoting religious thought while overtly talking about karma.

I disagree when you say that India under the Hindutva hold will become a mirror image of Islamic Pakistan. Pakistan was created as an Islamic Republic, so on at least that one point it has no conflict within itself. A ‘secular’ India would get breathless trying to shove its version of Hindutva down so many throats. That is when someone gets the hang of what Hindutva really is.

Regards,
Farzana