Rehan Ansari December 31, 2002
#56 Posted by Harpreet on January 7, 2003 6:59:38 am
InYour Face
Quit whining. You talk about a middle path then come out with the ``hate mongering`` slur as soon as someone points out the rancid state of Indian politics? Get a life.
Making ethnic caste slurs like ``yamla jatt`` then play the ``middle path man``. Dont make me laugh.
{{Wow! That`s deep, man. Surprised you didn`t say that Modi was responsible for Godhra. Some of your friends actually beleive that 4000 jews didn`t show up for work.}}
Who are ``my friends``, you asshole?? You mean those Muslim fundamentalists who believe in the 4000 holidaying Jew theory are ``my friends`` because I criticise Indian politicians and the fact that they remain free after slaughtering thousands of innocent people like hogs? That puts me in the same boat as Muslim fundamentalists?
You truly are pathetic.
{{Unfortunately, Indians like you are penny a dozen }}
Yeah, it is unfortunate that there are people like me who hate the mass murdering establishment of Indian politics. Indians are of course lucky to having an oh-so-middle-path-treading person like you who resorts to caste slurs and implies Muslim fundamentalist motives at the slightest ounce of criticism of the Indian establishment. I cannot freaking stand Muslim fundamentalists.
Yes INDIA IS SO LUCKY to have you and your type.
Your responses are becoming more incoherent. Give it up, Einstein.
-h-
Quit whining. You talk about a middle path then come out with the ``hate mongering`` slur as soon as someone points out the rancid state of Indian politics? Get a life.
Making ethnic caste slurs like ``yamla jatt`` then play the ``middle path man``. Dont make me laugh.
{{Wow! That`s deep, man. Surprised you didn`t say that Modi was responsible for Godhra. Some of your friends actually beleive that 4000 jews didn`t show up for work.}}
Who are ``my friends``, you asshole?? You mean those Muslim fundamentalists who believe in the 4000 holidaying Jew theory are ``my friends`` because I criticise Indian politicians and the fact that they remain free after slaughtering thousands of innocent people like hogs? That puts me in the same boat as Muslim fundamentalists?
You truly are pathetic.
{{Unfortunately, Indians like you are penny a dozen }}
Yeah, it is unfortunate that there are people like me who hate the mass murdering establishment of Indian politics. Indians are of course lucky to having an oh-so-middle-path-treading person like you who resorts to caste slurs and implies Muslim fundamentalist motives at the slightest ounce of criticism of the Indian establishment. I cannot freaking stand Muslim fundamentalists.
Yes INDIA IS SO LUCKY to have you and your type.
Your responses are becoming more incoherent. Give it up, Einstein.
-h-
#55 Posted by Ansari on January 6, 2003 7:52:42 am
Stuka; zaroor likhein; it`ll make interesting reading.
#54 Posted by Naqshbandi on January 6, 2003 7:52:42 am
actually RSAXENA--I AM the same Asif Naqshbandi as before; it is not someone using a nick similar to mine but me myself....
Stuka: Yes I didn`t say they were unpatriotic--it just seems there is not much opportunity for the average person...
Stuka: Yes I didn`t say they were unpatriotic--it just seems there is not much opportunity for the average person...
#53 Posted by InYourFace on January 6, 2003 7:52:42 am
Harpreet:
Instead of calling names, you would have gained lot of respect if only you commented about what Ashuthosh Versney said.
I don`t understand people like you .... who are seemingly sensitive to human condition yet jump to calling names if different perspective arises.
``The people responsible for the obscuring of Godhra are the lynch mobs inspired by Milosevic Modi. ``
Wow! That`s deep, man. Surprised you didn`t say that Modi was responsible for Godhra. Some of your friends actually beleive that 4000 jews didn`t show up for work.
Unfortunately, Indians like you are penny a dozen.
PS. THERE IS A MIDDLE PATH.
Instead of calling names, you would have gained lot of respect if only you commented about what Ashuthosh Versney said.
I don`t understand people like you .... who are seemingly sensitive to human condition yet jump to calling names if different perspective arises.
``The people responsible for the obscuring of Godhra are the lynch mobs inspired by Milosevic Modi. ``
Wow! That`s deep, man. Surprised you didn`t say that Modi was responsible for Godhra. Some of your friends actually beleive that 4000 jews didn`t show up for work.
Unfortunately, Indians like you are penny a dozen.
PS. THERE IS A MIDDLE PATH.
#52 Posted by Harpreet on January 6, 2003 6:50:54 am
In Your Face
You make alot of presumptions about my religious background. It is more complex than your reductive brain sems to presume. Whats with the reference to Jats? I am not a Jat.
hari makes a simple point which you seem unable to reconcile or assimilate. B***ards responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent people should be punished in perpetuity until the proponents of a political culture that absolves and allows politicians to get away with the mass slaughter of thousands of innocents are destroyed. Of whatever political hue. Comprendez?
The people responsible for the obscuring of Godhra are the lynch mobs inspired by Milosevic Modi.
The accusation of ``stirring hate`` because I insist on justice for the victims of pogroms most clearly illustrates the hysterical mindset you display so unashamedly here. It is truly pathetic.
Read my post again. It will test the casuistry skills of a master evader like you, but you should be able to understand it eventually.
-h-
You make alot of presumptions about my religious background. It is more complex than your reductive brain sems to presume. Whats with the reference to Jats? I am not a Jat.
hari makes a simple point which you seem unable to reconcile or assimilate. B***ards responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent people should be punished in perpetuity until the proponents of a political culture that absolves and allows politicians to get away with the mass slaughter of thousands of innocents are destroyed. Of whatever political hue. Comprendez?
The people responsible for the obscuring of Godhra are the lynch mobs inspired by Milosevic Modi.
The accusation of ``stirring hate`` because I insist on justice for the victims of pogroms most clearly illustrates the hysterical mindset you display so unashamedly here. It is truly pathetic.
Read my post again. It will test the casuistry skills of a master evader like you, but you should be able to understand it eventually.
-h-
#51 Posted by stuka on January 6, 2003 6:35:40 am
Naqshbandi:
``A sad thing I noticed was that amongst the young ppl almost everyone was desparate to get out of Pakistan and go to the West... ``
Yes, but do not make the mistake of thinking that these people have no love for the soil. A distrust of the establishment is not the same as not having love for your country. If the establishment is parasitic, then the individual who wants to live an honest and dignified life has an obligation to escape.
Maybe I will write an article for Chowk about my experiences and thoughts...
I would really look forward to it.
``A sad thing I noticed was that amongst the young ppl almost everyone was desparate to get out of Pakistan and go to the West... ``
Yes, but do not make the mistake of thinking that these people have no love for the soil. A distrust of the establishment is not the same as not having love for your country. If the establishment is parasitic, then the individual who wants to live an honest and dignified life has an obligation to escape.
Maybe I will write an article for Chowk about my experiences and thoughts...
I would really look forward to it.
#50 Posted by GhalibZaman on January 4, 2003 10:19:57 pm
#33:Romair
....`` I am no literary critic....``
Perhaps that is the reason you are a productive member of society.
In order to be a Lit-Leechur of the englo-type one must:
1) Drop hints about having smoked narcotics in a nudge nudge wink wink kind of `politeness`.... Charsee & bhangee is now a lifestyle because their massas are proud of it.
2) Must let the word out that liquor is a subject worth discussing & drunkards are really not bad guys...except that they just OD on it.
3) Some hints about extra-marital & illicit encounters on exotic trips further elevates their grammatical & expository skills.
4) Mentioning of having a respect for musli8ms, islam, saying eidmubarak, ramazan mubarak and visits to masjids suddenly brings down their engloIQs.
5) Identifying with atheist, communists, humanists, satanist, & humanists suddenly gives them the tingling feeling of being rushdickic. Their hair rise like porcupine quills whenever mullah, maulana, and Allama kind of learned & knowledgeable people are mentioned.
Only losers are Lit-leechurs in life.
Just ask Urstruly and he will corroborate what I`ve said.
....`` I am no literary critic....``
Perhaps that is the reason you are a productive member of society.
In order to be a Lit-Leechur of the englo-type one must:
1) Drop hints about having smoked narcotics in a nudge nudge wink wink kind of `politeness`.... Charsee & bhangee is now a lifestyle because their massas are proud of it.
2) Must let the word out that liquor is a subject worth discussing & drunkards are really not bad guys...except that they just OD on it.
3) Some hints about extra-marital & illicit encounters on exotic trips further elevates their grammatical & expository skills.
4) Mentioning of having a respect for musli8ms, islam, saying eidmubarak, ramazan mubarak and visits to masjids suddenly brings down their engloIQs.
5) Identifying with atheist, communists, humanists, satanist, & humanists suddenly gives them the tingling feeling of being rushdickic. Their hair rise like porcupine quills whenever mullah, maulana, and Allama kind of learned & knowledgeable people are mentioned.
Only losers are Lit-leechurs in life.
Just ask Urstruly and he will corroborate what I`ve said.
#49 Posted by Ralph on January 4, 2003 2:22:28 pm
InYourFace
Polite to me but not to jat yamla brother Harpreet? I am a brother Indian too. Give me the bad with the good too :(
Polite to me but not to jat yamla brother Harpreet? I am a brother Indian too. Give me the bad with the good too :(
#48 Posted by hari on January 4, 2003 12:55:21 pm
#46 in your face:
Modi got away.....
Didn`t Tikka Khan(butcher of bengal) who caused millions of bengali hindu/muslim deaths got away? The last I heard he died in his 90s of old age with full military honors from pakistani establishment, right?
people who cause death and destruction should be punished no matter what their religion/status. Now that makes sense.
Modi got away.....
Didn`t Tikka Khan(butcher of bengal) who caused millions of bengali hindu/muslim deaths got away? The last I heard he died in his 90s of old age with full military honors from pakistani establishment, right?
people who cause death and destruction should be punished no matter what their religion/status. Now that makes sense.
#47 Posted by InYourFace on January 4, 2003 9:00:31 am
#38 by Jat Yamla (aka Harpreet)
I asked, ``What kind of tyranny is it if people who raise such questions are classified as bigots? ``
You didn`t disappoint me, you called me a facsist just because I asked few uncomfortable questions.
By bringing up acquittal of Sajjan Kumar et al in this context, I have a weird feeling that this jat yamla is trying to lay the seeds of hatred. I hope not.
``And dont try any of that ``More Hindu than thou`` hysteria with me, it wont wash. ``
I won`t. I don`t consider myself as hindu. Definitely, I am more polite than you are.
``take off your blinkers`` and read what another `hindu fascist` is saying ....
http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20021230&fname=Cover+Story%28F%29&sid=10&pn=3
(The author is director, Centre for South Asian Studies, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, US. His book, Ethnic Conflict and Civic Life: Hindus and Muslims in India was published by the Oxford University Press this year.)
``However wrong it may sound to liberal or secular ears, nothing gives greater life to Hindu nationalism than a credible claim that Muslims are intolerably violent. It is in the interests of those who care about India`s pluralism to somehow make sure that a Godhra, or an event equally symbolically dangerous, is not repeated. For a pluralistic future in India, minority communalism must be fought as vigorously as majority communalism. This claim should not be equated with blaming the Muslims for the horrors of post-Godhra Gujarat; it is an undeniable practical reality of Indian politics. ``
I asked, ``What kind of tyranny is it if people who raise such questions are classified as bigots? ``
You didn`t disappoint me, you called me a facsist just because I asked few uncomfortable questions.
By bringing up acquittal of Sajjan Kumar et al in this context, I have a weird feeling that this jat yamla is trying to lay the seeds of hatred. I hope not.
``And dont try any of that ``More Hindu than thou`` hysteria with me, it wont wash. ``
I won`t. I don`t consider myself as hindu. Definitely, I am more polite than you are.
``take off your blinkers`` and read what another `hindu fascist` is saying ....
http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20021230&fname=Cover+Story%28F%29&sid=10&pn=3
(The author is director, Centre for South Asian Studies, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, US. His book, Ethnic Conflict and Civic Life: Hindus and Muslims in India was published by the Oxford University Press this year.)
``However wrong it may sound to liberal or secular ears, nothing gives greater life to Hindu nationalism than a credible claim that Muslims are intolerably violent. It is in the interests of those who care about India`s pluralism to somehow make sure that a Godhra, or an event equally symbolically dangerous, is not repeated. For a pluralistic future in India, minority communalism must be fought as vigorously as majority communalism. This claim should not be equated with blaming the Muslims for the horrors of post-Godhra Gujarat; it is an undeniable practical reality of Indian politics. ``
#46 Posted by InYourFace on January 4, 2003 8:40:33 am
#35 by Ralph
``Not big bad hindu conspiracy but our democracy is so screwed up that people get away with cold-blooded murder of hundreds of Indians. ``
Yes, I agree. Unfortunately, we don`t have a tradition of commissioning war tribunals. Indira got away with emergency. Advani got away with rath yatra. Congress got away with 1984 riots. Thackeray got away with bombay riots. So did numerous terrorist outfits (khalistanis, naxalites, northeast groups etc) got away with murder. And now, Modi and his godhra and akshadharam friends will get away for sure.
``Not big bad hindu conspiracy but our democracy is so screwed up that people get away with cold-blooded murder of hundreds of Indians. ``
Yes, I agree. Unfortunately, we don`t have a tradition of commissioning war tribunals. Indira got away with emergency. Advani got away with rath yatra. Congress got away with 1984 riots. Thackeray got away with bombay riots. So did numerous terrorist outfits (khalistanis, naxalites, northeast groups etc) got away with murder. And now, Modi and his godhra and akshadharam friends will get away for sure.
#44 Posted by Ansari on January 4, 2003 7:40:12 am
harimau sahab, #39
your post was a pleasure to read. if only the people in charge could show as much understanding.
yours, in cross-border solidarity,
aamir
your post was a pleasure to read. if only the people in charge could show as much understanding.
yours, in cross-border solidarity,
aamir
#43 Posted by AAmir on January 4, 2003 7:40:12 am
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#42 Posted by rsaxena on January 4, 2003 7:40:12 am
...how long will it take some of you gullible idiots to realize that this ``naqshabandi`` is not the individual you all are referring too...one of those farangi_kush vs. farangi-kush type deals....
#41 Posted by Naqshbandi on January 4, 2003 7:40:12 am
stuka--I was born in Pakistan but came to the UK when I was 2 and have grown up and lived here ever since. I am British-Pakistani. Another thing which I realised during my trip was how Anglicised I actually really am even though I speak Urdu and Punjabi fluently, have a deep love of Urdu poetry and literature and am a traditonal Sunni Muslim...
I also noticed (I travelled a lot in Punjab province only) how totally dominant the Barelvi school of Ahlus Sunnah is in Pakistan and how much of a minority the hardline Deobandis actually are too! They can hardly be seen!! Sufi shrines dominate everywhere! Alhamdulillah. Also I noticed how the common people are deeply re;ligious Barelvis yet most of them distrust the maulvis politically!
A sad thing I noticed was that amongst the young ppl almost everyone was desparate to get out of Pakistan and go to the West...
Maybe I will write an article for Chowk about my experiences and thoughts...
I also noticed (I travelled a lot in Punjab province only) how totally dominant the Barelvi school of Ahlus Sunnah is in Pakistan and how much of a minority the hardline Deobandis actually are too! They can hardly be seen!! Sufi shrines dominate everywhere! Alhamdulillah. Also I noticed how the common people are deeply re;ligious Barelvis yet most of them distrust the maulvis politically!
A sad thing I noticed was that amongst the young ppl almost everyone was desparate to get out of Pakistan and go to the West...
Maybe I will write an article for Chowk about my experiences and thoughts...
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