Khaki wisdom -- One-way ticket to Hell

Why is the Pakistani (military) establishment keeps denying anything/everything flat out and see their credibility go down even down?

Case in point:

1. Hot pursuit snipers who go and hide in tribal areas by US/Afghan forces. US says it has tacit ok; Rashid & company say to the public at large. there is no prev agreement.

On the internet, Wash post reports tacit ok even by Pakistani military.
Do the Pakistani military are so naive to think that people (even) in the tribal areas do not have access to the net?

2. North Korea nucl deal: again flat out denial. NY times reported that
as late as july 2002, US intell spotted a Pakistani (US made) cargo landing in North Korea.

3. Re Pakistani visiters registration: Pakistan flatly denying existance of
terrorism in Pakistan soil-so needs a ``bye`` on pakistani people. Give me a break. Post 9/11 Mush arrested 2000 odd taliban sympathiers and then released them quietly later on. The killer of Daniel Pearl was supposedly killed in that bomb-making factory but another Omar sheik is still in custody on the pearl charge with no extradiction. From US security point any of the visiters could be oneof those released!

4. Mush`s nuclear boast: he made the speech which was carried on TV and later said he was misquoted by Rashid again.

5. The letter to Iraq from a pakistani nucl scientist about possibility of selling nucl stuff, etc. Flat out denial from pak establishment.

6. Cross border terrorism(or LoC) : again flat out denial; not withstanding the open pronouncements from various jehadi outfits in
Muzafarbad(Pakistan control kashmir)

The US laws mostly run on a ``trust`` or ``honor`` system. if someone lies and admits it and says he will be careful in the future, there is sympathy for that person. But when there is flat-out denial when the whole world knows the obvious, then mushraff and his cronies look more like fools.

It is similar to taking a psychological testing(MMPC-i guess) where the test asks you personal questions (even about stealing, etc); if you answer truthfully, you come out ok. if you flatly deny anything negative about you, then it raises a red-flag for the person reviewing the results.

Mush doesn`t have efficient advisors who can give some straight talk. all he has is a bunch of ``yes sir`` men/women.

{#13 by Urstruly on Janauary 4, 2003 10:44am PT

Faruk

.......I like your commentry. It is true that both countries won freedom at the same time but both countries were extremely different from the beginning. paki pakai plate`. .....the only option that Paksitan had was to seek help from the very colonial powers it got its independence from. ......}

Dear Urstruly:

Don`t you think your logic is inconsistent, because: (a) it was Pakistani leadership of the time that forced its way out of the ``paki pakai plate``; (b) going back to ``very colonial powers`` probably reflects bankruptcy of idea? Also, the law of electoral math was not understood by the Pakistani leadership. Otherwise, according to your logic, the visionary leadership of Pakistan should have been working with the colonial powers (Brits) to keep them in the United India, instead of working toward ``moth eaten Pakistan``, or it should worked fiercely toward full and rapid democratization rather than seeking protection of rights, so that it could have used intra-hindu rivalries to secure rights for all minority rights. PROBABLY SICKENING GUJRAT WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED.

Forget India, and just consider, Vietnam was bombed, maimed and killed out of existence, and now it is the fastest growing economy in Asia. Pakistani Punjab had all the agricultural land (today`s East Punjab even has higher per acre production). Whereas Vietnamese land was all Napalmed, Mined, Agent Oranged and what not. And now, the ``very powers`` to be want their Nike shoes and clothes made there. Vietnamese also had to fight another war with China shortly after the U.S. too. Don`t you think the difference points to flawed logic and psyche of Pakistani leadership of the past and present?

Best regards.
ANIL KAPURIA

not all actions taken by the fourth reich are evil. too bad ms. jehangir who never misses an opportunity to criticize pakistan misses out on the opportunity to experience the joys of life under hindu yoke.

http://www.thehindu.com/thehindu/2003/01/03/stories/2003010305010100.htm

Asma Jehangir denied visa

HYDERABAD Jan. 2. The Pakistan delegation to the Asian Social Forum here led by Asma Jehangir, leading women`s and human rights activist, has been denied visa by India. This was announced by Nirmala Deshpande, Gandhian and Sarvodaya leader, at the opening plenary of the ASF.

Faruk

I like your commentry. It is true that both countries won freedom at the same time but both countries were extremely different from the beginning. When Paksitan came into being the people in INdia (and even in Paksitan) used to bet when it would collapse. With all the beureaucratic, judicial, and governmental records left in India alongwith the funds Paksitan had to truely start everything from scratch - and that includes even the basic institutions. Paksitan comprised of those areas of united India where there were no Industry and the only area that was viable agriculture land was in Punjab. Whereas India inherited everything from British Empire as what is called `paki pakai plate`. So in this case situation when other Muslim countries were still struggling against colonial forces, the only option that Paksitan had was to seek help from the very colonial powers it got its independence from. The price was heavy. Paksitan actually did not win its freedom in 1947, it still hasn`t. As long as it is playing a role of a pawn in the hands of neo-colonial powers it never will. As long as people of Paksitan keep on tolerating the privileged class of society, which looks after the interests of foreign power in our land - intellectually, militarily, and financially - Pakistan will never be free.

#7 by Urstruly on Janauary 4, 2003 7:40am PT
I found your post amusing. You gained independence along with us and your army took control of your country. How is the US responsible for your plight?
Are you blaming the US for dealing with the de-facto ruler of Pakistan?

Regards,

Faruk

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Military rule in Pakistan is a disease but the source of disease lies elsewhere. These clowns could not even dare point their weapons at us, the people of Paksitan, if they did not have a nod and wink from the so called ``champions of freedom and democracy``. It is time that we start putting the blame where it rightfully belongs.

...go tell that to trigger-happy-mush who was apparently ready to nuke india (as usual, now denies it) and wasn`t the least bit concerned that bakistan would`ve vanished from the map in the course of indian retaliation...

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Jigar ka dard oopar say maloom hota hai
Jigar ka dard oopar say `hai` maloom hota hai

to modify a bit of wisdom from that masterpiece of overacting `amitabh in sharaabi `

as they say what is the use of burning your blood, we at chowk know all this about our great army.
saathi kuch aur bata na!

Why is Musharaff regime any worse than Gen Zia regime ? While he has a different outlook on Islam Musharaff is following the policies of Zia regime. The geopolitical situation has changed. Pakistan is economically worse off than under Zia.

Abrar,

It has been denied by mushy, denied by every one about the likely hood of nuclear exchange, but for the ilks of you, it is jihad under mushroom clouds. You all keep talking about nuclear war so that the india has no opton but to accept the attacks on red fort and parliment. The uncountables of pakistan, the jihadists whose numbers and deaths are never acknowledged by the educated pakistanis, continue to wreak heavoc in 9india.

The only option for india is the isreali approach, for each un-countable jihadist, a countable military person has to killed. The hoped for fortunes of the shahedd has to be replaced by the rubble of his house. That is the only approach to deal with jihadists.

BLASPHEMY IN KERALA

The controversy arose after the pictures of Mr. Abdulla sporting a `tilak` appeared in the print and electronic media.

The State Committee of the SYS had warned that Mr. Abdulla should not enter a mosque since he had applied a `tilak` which, according to them, is un-Islamic. Mr. Panakkad Syed Umerali Shihab Thangal had also asked Mr. Abdulla to offer proper repentance according to the tenets of Islam.

The priests of the Avala Math had applied `tilak` on the forehead of the Chief Minister, A.K. Antony, and the Local Administration Minister, Cherkalam Abdulla, during their visit to the spiritual leader last month. However, Mr. Abdulla clarified that he had not applied the `tilak` on his own.

The Indian National League (INL) had also sought a clarification from the IUML leadership on the conduct of the Minister.

Its youth wing, the National Youth League (NYL), even demanded the resignation of the IUML chief for protecting the Minister.

Meanwhile, the Bharatiya Janata Yuva Morcha (BJYM) State general secretary, K. Surendran, in a press release, condemned the reported statements of various Muslim organisations demanding the ouster of Mr. Abdulla from the Cabinet for wearing a `tilak` during his visit to the math in Kasaragod.

Pakistan Army has been plundering Pakistan for too long and no end is in sight. They have been at the helm of failed domestic and foreign policy initiatives. They have built a huge empire for themselves leaving Pakistan with crippling foreign and domestic debt. The biggest fraud in Pakistan is the current government, breaking all kind of fraud records. The illegitimacy of Mush at the helm is the biggest curse of all.

What a trick idiot generals have played on Pakistan!!!

These people should be habged on the street for leading to one failed Afghan policy, failed Kashmir policy, leading to an unnecessary war, overthrowing civilain government, insulting the constitution and criminally breaking the most sacred law of the land and almost leading to another disastrous war recently. Are they bitches or bastards or a mix of both?