Towards Greater Tolerance

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Dear Yasser,

Welcome back, buddy boy. You were missed. Enjoyed the read but personally speaking, apart from trying to understand the history of the process, I couldn`t give a flying falooda about what anyone thinks about Pakistan. It exists and that`s the bottom line. I know what you`re thinking and before you say anything...I agree with you

On another note, are you studying law? I only ask this because I just wanted to ask how close British and Pakistani law is.

Thanks,
Umer M.

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Dear YLH thnx for writing a piece for those fellow chowk members who always ready to bark on Pakistan. This barking dog seldom bite is becoming the trade mark of BJP Govt and many followers following that trend....... last week it was Defence Minister,George, and if i am not wrong the next week is for Mr Advani to give an empty threat to Pakistan,and time to time Mr Modi also joins the ranks. and where is Mr Vajpayee ? is he still PM? Surprisingly BJP`s head made some good comments about Pakistan and India relations which give us a hope. Otherwise whole lot of politicians try their best to create all sorts of obsession against very small country in comparison.

Ahmadzai:

.``In order to let Pakistanis viewpoint, as the one summarised above in your article, known to the world, we will have to do a diplomatic and publicity campaign on both a strategic and tactical basis asap. ``

As long as you chaps continue to believe that the only thing wrong with the perception of Pakistan is ineffective Public Realtions, then we really have nothing to worry about. The world is not as foolish as you would like to believe.

All that you said about India is true. I will go further and say this...the average Pakistani outside of NWFP may well be as secular in outlook as the average Indian. Yet, why are we considered secular in comparison to you? Because you name your country the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and we do not call it the Hindutva Ganatantra of Bharat. It is not the people but the ideology of the state that matters. YLH may well be right about Jinnah`s personal outlook, but if Pakistan was meant to be secular, that secularism died the day the Objectives Resolution was passed under Liaquat Ali Khan.

With regards to deiffering perceptions of India and Pakistan, that situation exists only because the Pakistani government willingly surrendered it`s sovereignity, not to the Americans as you may like to believe, but to non-state actors. In India, foerign policy is based on the views of a strategic elite whereas governments fall on the price of onions. In Pakistan, foreign policy is rocked by compulsions of the street and jehadic imperatives.

This article is irrelevant, not because it is lacking in fact, but because it completely ignores the ground reality of today. The influence of non-state actors, if not in day to day decision making, is at least a major factor in Indo-Pak relations.

Ref UmerMurtaza #25

[On another note, are you studying law? I only ask this because I just wanted to ask how close British and Pakistani law is.]

Let me give you a clue.

In Britain women are not jailed as adultresses when they file a complaint of rape.

Let me give you another clue.

In Britain, the blasphemy law has not been used in over 100 years.

YLH2 #33
Before you start teaching English comprehension, tell us how reliable is this great reference. I have already shown you discrepancy in that reference.
How Bakim Chaterjee could support the notion coined in 1923 by Savarkar?
Before applying your mind, you just ran and quoted Kushwant Singh. Can this error indicate that Kushwant Singh is not infallible? And perhpas your research is incomplete.

For your entertainment, I will quote you something interesting from Wolpert in a short while. Stay tuned.

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``Flying falooda``. That is a good one. Thank you Umer.

The best falooda in Bombay was made and sold by this chotte mian guy in the space between the mosque and National Restaurant outside Bandra (West) Station, to the right as you exit. Symbolic, the co-existence of saag-mutton & bright coloured add-ons to the falooda.

Last week I went there to have falooda, and found about ten ``ye olde genuine bade miya falooda`` carts.

That must have been a fly by wire flying falooda?

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Yasser, would you consider a career in humour?

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Ref veeresh #27

[The only solace I find lately is from some ground-level discussions in a semi-rural train earlier this morning . . . ``when they get beaten by the Americans then they will realise who their friends were all these decades``.]

Let me give them a clue.

It is not the Chinese.

This is a guy who defends pakistani treatment of minorities but who gets cold feet when asked to present a SINGLE HINDU Pakistani interactor on Chowk. Then suddenly every interlocutor belongs to the RSS! Talk about getting caught with your pants down.

If Pakistani minorities are doing so well, why can`t you produce a single hindu from your well-educated and influential circle? You don`t even have a friend`s friend`s friend who is a hindu? Huh? Where are all these influential hindus who are doing so well?

And you have the cheek to lecture us on minority rights in Pakistan? A few hundred thousand cowering hindus in Sindh are all that is left from the historic and ancient hindu/buddhist civilization of N-W India, and without shame or reflection, you dare to compliment yourself on the treatment of minorities in Pakistan.

What is next? Joerg Haider explaining that the 500 jews left in Vienna reflect Austrian broad mindedness? That is exactly the level and quality of your article and your self-serving sophsitry.

Ref YLH2 #34

[Sri Prikasa, India`s first High Commissioner to Pakistan, spelt his name Sri Prikasa... ]

Since Mr Sri Prakasa was from a state neighboring my own, may I point out that that is how his name is spelt?

All of you Northies: just remember that there is a sound in between `sh` and `s` in Sanskrit. You guys choose to spell it `sh` and the South Indians prefer to spell it `s`.

YLH complains about other`s comrehension and answers to Manjit:

``Manjit...

I think you are making the same mistake...

Ethnic cleansing DOES not mean KILLING (though Even fridaytimes miscontrued my article as such)..

The figures are very clear... 5.5 Million Muslims moved from East Punjab and neighboring areas of India to Pakistan at the time of Partition... you can check the reports of the time, as well the The Times London of those dates for the facts....
``

I don`t think Manjit was talking about authencity of numbers but the some catchy phrases you attached to them. Let me read it back to you:

````Some 5.5 Million Muslims were ethnically cleansed from East Punjab and areas neighboring Pakistan, and some 3.5 million Hindus from West Punjab and Sindh then packed up and left for India.``

That is the level of tolerance and neutrality you have on the issue. Muslims were brutally and forceably ethnically cleansed but Hindu then all of a sudden packed their stuff and moved quietly. Bravo!

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