All The Bridges Are Burning

ali87 # 25:

``Your contention is that if the majority decides to eliminates a minority it is ok as long it is done democraticaly? ``

Technically a lynch mob is a democracy. When people talk about a democracy they talk about majority rule with safeguards for minorities (religious, ethnic, economic).

Of course that is all in theory. Practise is a lot different.

#27 by keshto on January 23, 2003 8:09pm PT

Talk about yourself Keshto..

#27 by keshto on January 23, 2003 8:09pm PT


{{{#25 by ali87 on January 23, 2003 10:42am PT}}}

{{{Your contention is that if the majority decides to eliminates a minority it is ok as long it is done democraticaly? }}}

Talking about pakistan who systemetically eliminated kafar minority?
Right you are.

{{{Much like how most of germans stood behind Hitler while he extrimnated jews. }}}

Or yahya khan who killed 2.5 million bengalis?
Or saudis who sent muslim hijackers to do sep-11?
Or sadam who used mustard gas on its own people?
Or 2000 goatee beard muslims who came to burn the sabarmati train?
Choice is yours.


So.......... you are a RSS chaddi wala.. all this is justification for Gujrat.. or the 3000 killed in Delhi in 1984

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Ask yourself, your name is arabic to begin with.
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you mean Arabic belongs to the Saudi Monarchy. Or English to the UK queen?

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gandhi was a traitor, hence he was silenced with five bullets, and not one, the intelligent man nathuram godse made sure he would not survive
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RSS CHADDIWALA.......

Hows the weather down there........

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{{{My contention is that there are rabble rousers and faciscits and I want to identify those who belong to that group on this board. }}}

A futile attempt I must say....


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QED..

MISSION ACOMPLISHED.

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#23 by bbabu on January 17, 2003 0:45am PT

True,

Some of us would like to browbeat pakistanis just for that. The pakistanis here are just as much/less responsible for what their govt does as ordinary Indians are.

Pakistan is in a mess that is admitted by most pakistanis.

The hate and unnecessary lies that some times prevade pakistani socitey also exsists in India only we chose not to identify it. At most we may say that it exists a bit lesser in India. So what exactly are we gloating about.

Instead of flogging a dead horse we could come up with some solutions.

However there are some who are equaly guilty of the same things they accuse pakistanis of and dont seem to see the futility of their arguments.

#24 by keshto on January 17, 2003 6:18pm PT

so we should give you bonus points for laloo parsad ?

Your contention is that if the majority decides to eliminates a minority it is ok as long it is done democraticaly?

Much like how most of germans stood behind Hitler while he extrimnated jews.

A hindu will always talk of loyalty in terms of places or Idols. Loyality for mecca means what? loyalty for any regime in mecca? or loyalty to the Quran?

I think that you dont understand the difference.

At one time gandhi suppourted the world wide khilafat movement. You supposse that he too had his loyalties with mecca.

So did khan addur gaffar khan, moulana Azad.

My contention is not that there are no good hindus in India. There are and I have many friends belonging to that religion who would be called devout hindus.

My contention is that there are rabble rousers and faciscits and I want to identify those who belong to that group on this board.

You are a good candidate who seem to belogn to that group arjun would also fall in your company easily.

Where as your attempt is to say that all Indians/ hindus are same or some how by some miracle the thinking of the parivar is not represented on this board.

A futile attempt I must say....

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ali87 # 22

The rules of the game were different during the cold war. The rules are different now. Neither Indians nor Pakistanis get to write the rules.

Indian support for the LTTE was no different than Pakistani support for Sikh miliatnts or Pakistani support of Afghan mujahdeen or US support of Contras or Soviet support of PLO.

For the record Libya trained a lot of LTTE militants. Pakistan and Sri Lankan government provided weapons to the LTTE in the late 1980`s when they were fighting the Indian Army. It is not like the LTTE is around solely because of Indian help.

#21 by keshto on January 14, 2003 4:09pm PT

There are no training camps in tamil nadu now. this is well known ie after the assanisation of Rajiv Gandhi and Defeat of IPKF.

Earlier there were there and this was admitted by many govt officals indirectly and is belived by most countires and many people in the know.

Jerk where did democracy come up in the argument? You mean that terrorism is ok if it is done by a elected govt or inspite of it?

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#15 by arjun_m on January 13, 2003 8:46am PT


arjun try dwelling on the Indian suppourt to LTTE, The training camps in Tamil Nadu, The complicity of the govt (including the central govt) in Gujrat directly or defending the prepeutators. Or on how most of the gujrats polity heartily agreed with modi in his gujrat progrom and re-elected him.

only difference is that VHP does not target westerners. It would if it had a geo political reason like the fundus in pakistan do.

so stop preening yourself and jeering at others.

Also remember Rajiv Gandhis naked body after the blast.. and the fact that now LTTE is being feted by both the srilankan govt as well as the european powers. That India has wisely not decided to oppose the talks and may even some day be talking to LTTE in near future as legitimate representatives of Tamil people in Sri Lanka.


In fact Norway gave away communication equippment to LTTE last week which was smuggled into SriLanka by its diplomats under diplomatic immunity. The SriLankan govt was aware of this but could only protest.

Also remember that ANC was labelled a terrorist organisation and Nelson Mandela was also a ``known TERRORIST``

Similarly the white west now finds Mugabae a undespicable Tyrant because he is talking the lands held by the rich white ``only 4000`` farmers and that is enough for the west to condemm him. That India took the property and land of the princely states in similar manner after independence, Enacted a land celing act to stop people from owning too much land..

In sure that you are aware of all this.... but you want to beat the pakistanis with the terrorist stick...
Makes me wonder if you are making a logical statement or argument or is there some thing else behind your endless ranting..
.......Like for instance unresolved hurt for having taken away part of Indian land.... or the dream of unified India ??? (unified for what I never understood)

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``ENRGY AID`` -- for bomb makers -- ``ENERGY RAID`` -- for coffin makers


PATHETIC COWARD CLOWNS
BUSHMEN ARE SUCH
PATHETIC COWARD CLOWNS

KICKING THE IRAQI FALLEN
LICKING THE NORTH KOREAN BALLENS

BUSHMEN BULLIES --
ARE KOMMUNIST`S kOOLIES --

HAVE NO CLASS
THEIR MORALS MADE OF GLASS

THEIR SPINES ARE MADE OF LARD
FOR ROUGHS N HARDENED

THEIR SPEARS OF LASERED STEEL
PIERCE THE KNEES AND HEELS

OF ONLY DOWN TRODDENED

THEY KICK ONLY THOSEN
WHO STARVE SICK N FROZEN

`ENERGY AID` -- WHO BARE GROWLING POWER
`ENERGY RAID` -- WHO SIMPLY SHAKE AND COWER

THE BUSHMEN ARE SUCH PATHETIC COWARD CLOWNS..


No War George Bush -- NO WAR ON IRAQ

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````The United States is willing to consider energy aid for North Korea if Pyongyang ends nuclear weapons development, a U.S. envoy said today. Assistant Secretary of State James Kelly said there may be opportunities with the U.S. to help North Korea in the energy area.````

``ENERGY AID`` for North Korea -- ``ENERGY RAID`` for Iraq -- bravo

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Pakistan`s Rise in U.N. Security Council
Updated on 2003-01-07 10:58:51


Despite all odds, Pakistan scored a routine and expected diplomatic victory at the international stage by winning the mandate of the world body, the United Nations, as one of the 15 non-permanent members of United Nations Security Council. This marked the fifth time in 55 years of Pakistan history that Pakistan made it to the Security Council, averaging a two (2) year term every decade. Among 191 some odd countries represented at the United Nations, this is indeed a remarkable feat.



Pakistan’s rise at the United Nations is of no surprise to those who follow the international forums. Pakistan has been a leading country in preservation of international peace and security. Pakistan Army’s role and participation in the U.N. peacekeeping efforts are regarded as the largest and most consistent and has won it international recognition. Pakistan has participated in 16 peacekeeping missions, three of which are still continuing. Past missions included the hot spots of Haiti, Cambodia, Rawanda, Bosnia and Somalia. The Pakistan Army staged a dramatic rescue of American forces under attack in Somalia, taking Americans to safety.



Pakistan is also home to the oldest U.N. peacekeeping mission, UNMOGIP, which monitors the Line of Control of Jammu and Kashmir. India routinely takes aim and tries to make UNMOGIP a target of its cross border firing into Pakistan. However, unfortunately, the role of UNMOGIP needs to be expanded to include self-defense and defense of Kashmiris from Indian genocide and illegal occupation.



If one looks at issues of concern to the international community, Pakistan ratified the Chemical Weapons Convention, participates in International Atomic Energy Agency, is bound by anti-Personnel land mines, unilaterally committed to Export control of sensitive technology, material and equipment, and non-proliferation.



On social issues, under its constitution Pakistan protects minorities, giving them equal citizen rights, and rights to profess, practice, establish, maintain and propagate their religion. Minorities are represented in all legislatures, local, provincial and federal.

When it comes to women, an entire federal ministry exclusively for advancement and empowerment of women. The women-only bank of Pakistan is a financial institution entirely run by women for women, providing free credit, advice and services for women entrepreneurs. On promotion and protection of the rights of child, by law, employment of children under 14 is forbidden and Pakistan extensively participates in U.N. Children programs through UNICEF.



The above are a just some facets of Pakistan’s participation, adherence and following of international programs & law, showing a code of conduct that can be expected from a mature and civilized nation. The picture presented by Pakistan’s consistent half century long efforts show the real Pakistan. It is obvious to the diplomatic and international community of world leaders the place Pakistan deserves in the expanded United Nations Security Council.



Actions speak louder than the words. Hence one is rather astonished by ‘anti-Pakistan’ tone of some media circles with apparently ulterior motives.

I think arjun_m is really obsessed w/pakistanis,
I don`t blame him though. I love Pakistan and it`s
people too. Pakistan Zindabad.

Feroz,
all options are open for the US, but in case of a screw up
it will be us brown people with the crosshairs on our behinds.

Ras

#7 by tahmed32
tahmed32 only u r the asli lafanga here.
u r doing lafangbazi and nothing else.
i know you type very well.
You are a indian lover and their agent.
Dont take pangas with me you bloody fool (bf).
assi twadi bundan phar dwange!!
When the islamic revolution comes your head will be the first to go.
Get ot of here bf, and practice your arm chair advice somewhere else.
Asli jung ladna hai to maidan me aa kutte!!

ahmedmadani #3 writes ``I think to write such long that most do not read is lafangebazi.``
heh! heh! Khan sahib, please take Mr. madani`s advice seriously. Let us try to avoid this lafangbazi in future. Thank you.

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I am tired long same standard information recycled, spiced,redigested stuff.
I think he is serious about recycling stuff and reusing. My feeling is Mr. Khan is expak as their style of recycling. Again there is difference between information and knowledge and Visdom. I think to write such long that most do not read is lafangebazi.

Dear F. R. Khan, In your Article you said many things which i would like to question you at. You stated that

`` and resolve the political impasse in the region by forcing Israel to give the Palestinians a homeland – the United States will find its policy options against Iraq greatly enhanced and its image in the Arab/Muslim world as greatly improved.``

THe United States has given many promises to the Palestinian/Arab World since 1948 concerning the making of a Muslim Palestinian State.
In 1948 the Plan was that there should be two Soveirgn Countries in the Palestinian Terrtorites, One Muslim Palestine and one Jewish Israel. The Jewish Israel came to being but the Muslim Palestine remained a Lost Dream. What makes you think that the Zionist Entity in that region will accept demands from America to allow the creation of a Palestinian state?

Peace,
A well articulated article, to prove your point. Lot of it have to do with the development of foriegn policy issues around the globe, and how the world became what it is today. Some might argue that ``it would have been different if that...``, but the fact of the matter is that This Is what It Is, and lot of what you say have to do a lot with it.
What I would love to see here is another one or two chowkies come out and write some details about how the forign policies of Britain, Spain, Russian, Chinese and Japan, were developing at the same when US was developing into what it is today.
Peace...
P.S. let`s wait and see how the Paki and Indian Hawks, come and polute this space with their trash, and turn it into an India/Pakistan war, or a Hindu/Muslim riot...
#1 by rsaxena on January 11, 2003 9:43pm PT
..bleh...this could all have been said in one sentence: ``i hate it that america is so bad and powerful and acts in its own self-interest``...the rest is just usual ranting...
i dont see any thing to suggest that the author hates America. I think the writter was just drawing logical conclusions by tracing the roots of American policy, and its various stages. The article seems to be very objective in nature and its not necessary for every one to agree with the writter, on many points I dont, but the fact remains that the author stayed in the bounds of civility to make his point. So lets just all do the same and make our point.

..bleh...this could all have been said in one sentence: ``i hate it that america is so bad and powerful and acts in its own self-interest``...the rest is just usual ranting...