Ras Siddiqui January 15, 2003
#87 Posted by Ras on January 20, 2003 9:37:21 am
I did get a lot of feedback on this article from a number of sources.
It was published in Pakistan and Bangladesh too.
Not much to comment on the replies here because the usual India-Pakistan bashing dominated reason.
I was trying to say two things here.
1) Singling out people on the basis of National Origin and race is wrong.
All people should register.
2) This is having a very neagtive impact in my community and beyond
because it is a high impact human problem.
For futher elaboration, please read my report in the Pakistan Link community section on the MLK Ceremony in Sacramento.
Thanks
Ras
#86 Posted by stuka on January 20, 2003 8:59:55 am
Ali1 is not an Indian. Any idiot can come on this board and claim to be an Indian. If he happens to actually be Indian, then I guess he is a very unhappy person. I feel sad for him.
#85 Posted by shankar on January 20, 2003 7:11:20 am
ferozk
#61
Bravo!
You hit that right out of the ball park...home run! 6-er!
Brutally honest & frank!
Btw, ...this is a kinda naieve question,... to anyone?
If a Pakistani is a naturalised US citizen--does that person have to register?!
#61
Bravo!
You hit that right out of the ball park...home run! 6-er!
Brutally honest & frank!
Btw, ...this is a kinda naieve question,... to anyone?
If a Pakistani is a naturalised US citizen--does that person have to register?!
#84 Posted by sadna on January 20, 2003 7:11:20 am
ali87
Civility means never allowing an elected government to complete office and hand over power to another elected government. Civility means banishing all opposition leaders into exile or cutting off their heads. Civility means imposing separate electorates based on religion. Civility means specifying mandatory death sentence for remarks about the Holy Prophet including whether his parents were Muslim. Civility means asking a woman to produce for 4 witnesses to her rape or face imprisonment. Civility is arming Gulbuddin Hekmatyar to bomb his own capital for 2- 5 years until another set of sociopaths, the Taliban came along. Civility is to create refugees in millions by aiding and abetting a civil war next door. Civility means giving in to Pakistani generals narrow ideological vision for the subcontinent of autocratic rule with or without Islam best exemplified by Pakistan`s past and present, Azad Kashmir`s present and Afghanistan`s past puppet regimes.
Civility means never allowing an elected government to complete office and hand over power to another elected government. Civility means banishing all opposition leaders into exile or cutting off their heads. Civility means imposing separate electorates based on religion. Civility means specifying mandatory death sentence for remarks about the Holy Prophet including whether his parents were Muslim. Civility means asking a woman to produce for 4 witnesses to her rape or face imprisonment. Civility is arming Gulbuddin Hekmatyar to bomb his own capital for 2- 5 years until another set of sociopaths, the Taliban came along. Civility is to create refugees in millions by aiding and abetting a civil war next door. Civility means giving in to Pakistani generals narrow ideological vision for the subcontinent of autocratic rule with or without Islam best exemplified by Pakistan`s past and present, Azad Kashmir`s present and Afghanistan`s past puppet regimes.
#83 Posted by harimau on January 19, 2003 10:17:17 pm
Ref One-in-a-long-line-of-Eunuchs #73
[Civility means killing 3 millon people in a far away land which never attacked you nor is capable attacking you. ]
I presume you are referring to the 3 million Bangladeshis killed in 1971 by the Pak Army.
[Civility means killing 3 millon people in a far away land which never attacked you nor is capable attacking you. ]
I presume you are referring to the 3 million Bangladeshis killed in 1971 by the Pak Army.
#80 Posted by pmishra2 on January 19, 2003 6:05:01 pm
#75 Shah
You are so right. Indians have achieved whatever little they have because they marry white people. This is their special secret. And let me tell you another horrible, horrible thing: some of these people are even married to jews !!!! Now, the horrific picture is complete -- the crusader - zionist - hindu - ahmedi conspiracy is clear to all !!!!
Its hard to know which is more amusing. Your open racial and cultural prejidice or the more sophisticated hindu-phobia of your buddy ali87.
You are so right. Indians have achieved whatever little they have because they marry white people. This is their special secret. And let me tell you another horrible, horrible thing: some of these people are even married to jews !!!! Now, the horrific picture is complete -- the crusader - zionist - hindu - ahmedi conspiracy is clear to all !!!!
Its hard to know which is more amusing. Your open racial and cultural prejidice or the more sophisticated hindu-phobia of your buddy ali87.
#79 Posted by nawaid on January 18, 2003 2:09:39 pm
arjun_m 53#
+++civilized countries might also include China and India +++
i thought you are an indian who knows his country but i guess you are more busy reading DAWN and other Pakistani newspapers, ok then let me tell you if you dont get time to read Indian News Papers, its still BJP Govt in India and Modi is chiefminister of Gujrat. Give a break to your Pakistani obession, its kiilin you:)
+++civilized countries might also include China and India +++
i thought you are an indian who knows his country but i guess you are more busy reading DAWN and other Pakistani newspapers, ok then let me tell you if you dont get time to read Indian News Papers, its still BJP Govt in India and Modi is chiefminister of Gujrat. Give a break to your Pakistani obession, its kiilin you:)
#77 Posted by rsridhar on January 17, 2003 9:24:50 pm
#75 by Shah
``Spouse of Caucasians are considered more American than just vanilla naturalised Americans& privy to taken in confidence by the establishment having proven there rites of passage.``
You may be right in that suppostion only to the extent that spouses of white community (be it a man marrying a woman or vice versa) are regarded as blending with the crowd or being part of this melting pot and are looked upon with favor. But it is not true everytime. An astraunaut still has to show his/her competence even after being selected. President of a company has to prove his/her merits.
I personally know a woman doctor (indian) married to a white man (a research scholar) and has a beautiful daughter. I used to see her regularly in temples and she was trying to bring up her daughter in the traditional way. There are many liberal white americans who do not object to this at all.
Sridhar
``Spouse of Caucasians are considered more American than just vanilla naturalised Americans& privy to taken in confidence by the establishment having proven there rites of passage.``
You may be right in that suppostion only to the extent that spouses of white community (be it a man marrying a woman or vice versa) are regarded as blending with the crowd or being part of this melting pot and are looked upon with favor. But it is not true everytime. An astraunaut still has to show his/her competence even after being selected. President of a company has to prove his/her merits.
I personally know a woman doctor (indian) married to a white man (a research scholar) and has a beautiful daughter. I used to see her regularly in temples and she was trying to bring up her daughter in the traditional way. There are many liberal white americans who do not object to this at all.
Sridhar
#76 Posted by Shah on January 17, 2003 6:18:48 pm
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#75 Posted by ssdhillon on January 17, 2003 6:18:48 pm
73 by ali87 on January 17, 2003 4:25pm PT
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Jerk I happen to be an Indian. But that is frequently lost on you.
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Don`t blame arjun for that. Even I have never heard anything from you that would make me beleive that you are Indian.
Your jehadi, muslim-supremacist mentality is typical of a pakistani....it is a shame even Indian muslims are going that way.
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Jerk I happen to be an Indian. But that is frequently lost on you.
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Don`t blame arjun for that. Even I have never heard anything from you that would make me beleive that you are Indian.
Your jehadi, muslim-supremacist mentality is typical of a pakistani....it is a shame even Indian muslims are going that way.
#74 Posted by Ali87 on January 17, 2003 4:25:40 pm
#53 by arjun_m on January 16, 2003 6:55pm PT
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Civilised world... So would you care to define the uncivilised world?
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be glad to...civilized world is the US and western europe...how do you know a country is civilized? just check out the number of people trying to get into it...civilized countries might also include China and India which are now part of the global economy and don`t start fooling land grab ventures with ``kashmir runs in our blood`` kind of rhetoric..do you see India and China sniping at each other over border issues...has China gone to war over Taiwan....
The civilized world is that part of the world that can make mushy bend over/prostrate with a single ``with us or against us``..the same countries you are begging for an increase in export quota.
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Jerk I happen to be an Indian. But that is frequently lost on you.
So by that standards Donlad Trumph is the epitome of civility? Where as the half naked Gandhi was the symbol of depravity and barbarisim.
You are very shallow that is quite visible but to stoop to these levels... amazing this guy calls the country he comes from as uncivilised.
By your standards there are Millions who go to the Gulf states. Then they must be on par with the west why did you leave them out?
Civility in your opinon doesnot consist of asking the kashmiri people what is their opinon. Civility doesnot mean that you have to honour agreements signed with the kashmiris.
Civility means that you can arm and train LTTE while you can only to back out after being wounded badly (rajiv gandhi assasination and IPKF rout) then attack paksitan for doing the same.
Civility means lying thorugh your teeth. Civility means not acknowlegeing the real problems and bashing people for their belifs.
Civility means that the kashmiris have to pay for the unity for rest of India (every commentator worth his salt harps on this aspect in india.. ie the fear that other parts Of India might ask for simialr freedom that kashmiris are asking) If India is so fragile it is because of the fragile minds of jerks like you.
Civility means being the only country to be labelled terrorist by the world court (US was accused and proved guilty of commiting a crime of terrorism againnst people of Nircragua) and asked to compensate the victims.
Civility means killing 3 millon people in a far away land which never attacked you nor is capable attacking you.
Civility and civilisation means a lot of things looks like the only one that you recognise is the material success.
++
Civilised world... So would you care to define the uncivilised world?
++
be glad to...civilized world is the US and western europe...how do you know a country is civilized? just check out the number of people trying to get into it...civilized countries might also include China and India which are now part of the global economy and don`t start fooling land grab ventures with ``kashmir runs in our blood`` kind of rhetoric..do you see India and China sniping at each other over border issues...has China gone to war over Taiwan....
The civilized world is that part of the world that can make mushy bend over/prostrate with a single ``with us or against us``..the same countries you are begging for an increase in export quota.
+++++++++
Jerk I happen to be an Indian. But that is frequently lost on you.
So by that standards Donlad Trumph is the epitome of civility? Where as the half naked Gandhi was the symbol of depravity and barbarisim.
You are very shallow that is quite visible but to stoop to these levels... amazing this guy calls the country he comes from as uncivilised.
By your standards there are Millions who go to the Gulf states. Then they must be on par with the west why did you leave them out?
Civility in your opinon doesnot consist of asking the kashmiri people what is their opinon. Civility doesnot mean that you have to honour agreements signed with the kashmiris.
Civility means that you can arm and train LTTE while you can only to back out after being wounded badly (rajiv gandhi assasination and IPKF rout) then attack paksitan for doing the same.
Civility means lying thorugh your teeth. Civility means not acknowlegeing the real problems and bashing people for their belifs.
Civility means that the kashmiris have to pay for the unity for rest of India (every commentator worth his salt harps on this aspect in india.. ie the fear that other parts Of India might ask for simialr freedom that kashmiris are asking) If India is so fragile it is because of the fragile minds of jerks like you.
Civility means being the only country to be labelled terrorist by the world court (US was accused and proved guilty of commiting a crime of terrorism againnst people of Nircragua) and asked to compensate the victims.
Civility means killing 3 millon people in a far away land which never attacked you nor is capable attacking you.
Civility and civilisation means a lot of things looks like the only one that you recognise is the material success.
#73 Posted by harimau on January 17, 2003 4:25:40 pm
Ref Pony Express #64
[THANK YOU .WE ALL GET OUR NEWS FROM OTHER RELIABLE SOURCES BETTER THAN STALE & RECYCLED REPETITIOUS WANNABE NEWS REPORTER LIKE YOU .]
So long as you get your facts right, I don`t care if you get your news from The Medina Times dated 5th Moharrum 03 (that would be the Arabic calendar and Year 3, not Year 2003 in the Common Era). Otherwise I jump in and correct you.
[AND IF YOU ASK ME WHAT HAS YOUR RAKESH OR CHOWLA DONE...]
Didn`t I say Rakesh Sharma got a joyride?
[THANK YOU .WE ALL GET OUR NEWS FROM OTHER RELIABLE SOURCES BETTER THAN STALE & RECYCLED REPETITIOUS WANNABE NEWS REPORTER LIKE YOU .]
So long as you get your facts right, I don`t care if you get your news from The Medina Times dated 5th Moharrum 03 (that would be the Arabic calendar and Year 3, not Year 2003 in the Common Era). Otherwise I jump in and correct you.
[AND IF YOU ASK ME WHAT HAS YOUR RAKESH OR CHOWLA DONE...]
Didn`t I say Rakesh Sharma got a joyride?
#72 Posted by harimau on January 17, 2003 4:25:39 pm
Ref Eunuch#1 #66
[I hope your J visa is in order, rsridhar ;-) If not we can always ask hamidm to help.... he has been looking for a South Indian son-in-law on chowk for ages.]
In which case, Hamidm will be spared the possibility of a son-in-law named Butt-Fakhr.
[I hope your J visa is in order, rsridhar ;-) If not we can always ask hamidm to help.... he has been looking for a South Indian son-in-law on chowk for ages.]
In which case, Hamidm will be spared the possibility of a son-in-law named Butt-Fakhr.
#71 Posted by sadna on January 17, 2003 1:57:53 pm
ali_1 #whichever
I already pointed out in a post on a previous thread that INS says it will be ultimately documenting all immigrants from all countries and is going down the list in order of priority. I am not planning to repeat myself for every thickheaded Paki here.
When a Paki gets rude is when he/she has nothing to say in reply. Good.
I already pointed out in a post on a previous thread that INS says it will be ultimately documenting all immigrants from all countries and is going down the list in order of priority. I am not planning to repeat myself for every thickheaded Paki here.
When a Paki gets rude is when he/she has nothing to say in reply. Good.
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