Is It A War On Islam?

re. #120 by sadna
Good idea, Sadnaji! With some quid pro quo and better luck we`d get rid of some of the REAL culprits on both sides AND keep helpless innocents from being torched in their homes en bloc. Would probably test the mettle of our respective extremists too, no? After all, you do agree that Ahmedabad, like Kashmir was all too easy, don`t you?
Oh wait a minute... NOW I get it... Slaughter of one`s compatriots is qualitiatively differnt from killing only quasi-compatriots, right?

re. #118 by arjun_m
``Exactly what Kasuri is doing in the US...``
Hey! This was personal.. please don`t bring in Kasuri. In any case, at least he, like those on `your` side known to have been frantically ``gyrating their hips`` to Uncle Sam back in late `01, are doing their job in the `national interest`. What`s YOUR excuse for prostrating?

PM #117
Since Pakistanis are anyway creating such a hullabaloo about these hindutva groups, perhaps India out to send these cadres over the border and get ourselves some real benefit for this Pakistani noise. Perhaps the President`s palace at Islamabad is a good place to start, or the National Assembly.

re. #110 GhalibZaman
``The focus is more on Brazil & spain where the re-conversion & rediscovery is an absolutely new phenomena in human history.``
New? hmmm.. maybe you`re right, but I`d be happier to see folks discover religion for themselves rather than choose one as a reaction. What is to stop the next generation wanting to dig further back in history. Maybe we should all end up animists, huh?

``It is nevertheless fascinating that religion, any religion, is `in` and communism, atheism, secularism ( modern heathens/pagans) and all kind of -isms are no longer peddling their wares with impunity & arrogance.``

Well, don`t forget how most religion was spread in the first place. Religion certrainly has its share of dirty, bloody wars and dishonorable conversions (either at the sword`s tip or by playing the food-for-prosletysing game). Hardly traditions to be proud of.

Me? I`ll probably be around to watch the shoe go on to the other foot in a generation or two.

rgds,
PM

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re. #111 by arjun_m on January 23, 2003 7:53am PT

``Unlike the LeT, the RSS wasn`t created and nurtured as part of state policy.``

Gee I feel SOO much better knowing that it wasn`t the Indian state, just the Gujrat government, that abetted the wholesale slaughter of Muslims last year! In fact, I feel even better knowing it`s the same political party that has it`s coffers filled by `educated` overseas Indians.

``The LeT has been declared a terrorist organization by the US....but you knew that already, right?``

Oh yeah.. almost forgot that one. Remind me to tell that to the families the 100,000-odd Iraqis who lost their lives in the ``war against Saddam Hussien [only]``. Gotta help keep folks abreast of the terrorist roster, don`t we!

Hey, do write when you`re done doing puja to Uncle Sam.

ahmadzai #107

Exactly why negotiating with Pakistan (where you say unnumbered people are willing to blow themselves up), will improve Indian lives is not clear. Can you clarify?

I think India talking to `moderate` pimps of Pakistani extremists (often spotted in the so-called liberal circles too) will only bring short term solutions, like paying protection money to extortionists. India should wait till those willing to blow themselves up occupy the highest positions in Pakistan and then deal with them directly.

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#111 by arjun_m on January 23, 2003 7:53am PT
#105 by PM on January 23, 2003 5:25am PT

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The role of the Bajrang Dal or the RSS is not much different from the role of the Sipah-i-Sahaba or the Lashkar-i-Tayyaba...
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Unlike the LeT, the RSS wasn`t created and nurtured as part of state policy.

The LeT has been declared a terrorist organization by the US....but you knew that already, right?
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Hindu Mahasabha ,Jan Sangh ,Bjp ,Rss,VHP,RSS,Shiv Sena ,Bajrang Dal ,


are only multiple Nick of the Same H Y D R A ..SANGHI PARIVAR .THey all are to shift blame & not all dirty there hands in discriminating against INDIAN MINORITIES .WHILE ENTERTAINING FOREIGNERS AS `PARVASI `and reserving `Par vaanshi` ONLY for HINDUS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.I WAS BORN IN INDIA



YES U.S.A. hasnt declared Rss etc. a terrorist b/c it is not AGAINST u.s.a. in particular but INTERNALLY within Indian govt.Domain

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#92:PM
That paragraph could have been removed but then it would`nt have been proper. The focus is more on Brazil & spain where the re-conversion & rediscovery is an absolutely new phenomena in human history.

It is nevertheless fascinating that religion, any religion, is `in` and communism, atheism, secularism ( modern heathens/pagans) and all kind of -isms are no longer peddling their wares with impunity & arrogance.

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Ahmadzai:

``Hence, Mr. Haas’ advice to Indians to start the process of dialogue with Pakistan without any pre-conditions. This is an advice that India would be better off heeding to in order to be part of the civilized societies. ``

So what do we talk about? There is no point talking about economic cooperation because Pakistan wants Kashmir to be on the agenda. There is no point talking about Kashmir because there is no common vision for a solution. There is no question of transferring territory to Pakistan, and any other solution is not acceptable to it.

As far as uncoventional war is concerned, if the federal control of Islamabad weakens to the extent that we start getting a full flow of Mullahs, then the answer is war. What other choice do we have? Your losing control of your own population is your problem, not ours. As far as the Mullah led Islamists are concerned, what Rashid Dostum did to them is child`s play compared to what we can do to them.

Interesting article here:
http://www.dawn.com/2003/01/23/op.htm#1
Fundamentalism in the Sub-continent
The violent campaign against Muslims in India and targeted killing of minorities in Pakistan appear today to enjoy ideological sanction. Parallel organizations of Hindus and Muslims are helping each other in promoting hatred between communities. The role of the Bajrang Dal or the RSS is not much different from the role of the Sipah-i-Sahaba or the Lashkar-i-Tayyaba...

also, check out http://www.dawn.com/2003/01/23/op.htm#3
``Why the West is Losing the War``

Brilliant, Pervez. And dead on - excuse the pun.

I do think that what is required is not just a lot of peace rallies but a sytematic unveiling of the federal/coporate liars and criminals and colluders with imperialist ambitions spread across western states. Only when these perpatrators of destruction and their ambitions are laid bare (as this article does) can there be a chance for peace. The peace movement must spread the facts and the truth.