How Muslims Can Win The Coming Wars!

Once we can solve the intra-Muslim problem, one cannot win

any wars.

Muslims need to look inwards first and develop tolerance for their

own before being critical of the non-Muslim world.

Ras

A very good article and it does point out some of the root problems of the Muslims today and how this has affected the Ummah globally. How many Muslims do we see practicing even the basics of Islam today?

The Awliya-Allah have been proven to be the best example for Muslims to follow and Subhan’Allah you mentioned Hazrat Khwaja Moin-ud-Din Hassan Chishti Ajmeri (RA) who converted 9 million Hindus to Islam and also realise that it is not restricted to 9 million, mainly because of Hazrat Khwaja Ajmeri a third of the Muslim population lies in the sub-continent. Islam has spread through such personalities and those who they have inspired. I am not saying that the sword should be decommissioned in fact the so-called Muslims leaders should begin spending some of that mammoth wealth on weapons to at least INDPENDNTLY protect their own country.

My point is that if Allah Ta’la wishes there will be nothing left of USA no matter what weapons it has, if you don’t believe this then you are not entitled to call yourself a Muslim. The first stage is to have the correct Aqeedah and this is increasingly lacking more than ever in the Muslim world today. If we can’t get past the first stage how can we look at the final stages?

I randomly glanced through some of the replies and I was shocked to some extent, but I expected it some what; what can I say, after all this is why we are in such a mess.

tahmed

``There have indeed been times of great tolerance and respect for others in muslim culture: After all, it wasnt the camels that translated ancient Greek and Sanskrit books into Arabic. ``

......... here we go again! ........ and what happened to the pre-islamic culture in arabia, iraq and persia ?........ what happened to the idols that the syeds and the quraish worshipped in the kaaba and what happened to the zoroastians who were virtually exterminated (or converted)? ..........there was a flourishing culture in persia and other parts of the islamic world before the muslims went on the war path (not like the wasteland of north america before columbus, give or take a few aztec pyramids ) ........ so who is to say the persians wouldn`t have translated the greek on their own - what does islam have to do with it? ...... one could say that, given the history of islam over the last six hundred years, the early days were an anomaly left over from previous civilizations ..........

........... all this talk about the glorious days of a tolerant islam, when pigs flew and caliphs ruled, is highly exagerrated - it makes the faithful feel better about themselves but it also pushes them onto sirat ul mustaqeem - the wrong path .............

.... of course, you could make the same arguments about mideval christianity, but the big difference is that they have come to accept the fallacy of their beliefs and superstitions while we still cling to ours ..............

(TAhmed:
There have indeed been times of great tolerance and respect for others in muslim culture)
If mere translation of some Greek/Sanskrit works makes the early Islamic period glorious and tolerant civilization, then what can we call the civilizations that really produced those works. Logic says that those civilizations must be much better than the Islamic civilization.

The above article is implying that Muslims should lay low and tolerant because they don`t have power. Does it mean that once Muslims get the big Mojo they should start pillgae, plunder and conversions.

This article explains why Muslims demand secularism when they are in Minority and start demanding Islamic laws once they come into majority

I want to say that the importance of the spiritual revolution is that until our hearts are purified and until we internalise Islam and become Mu`mins we can never hope to achieve success as Allah has promised us victory in the Koran conditionally with the condition being that we are MUMIN. Those with Iman.

The `wars` in the title was deliberate to make the title more eye-catching as the main message of my essay was that Muslims have to return to Traditional Islam and that includes reintroducing the science of tasawwuf (sufism) into our lives; almost all the great Muslims of the past in every field including all the great ulama and fuqaha and the mufassireen and the great leaders and the great mujahideen have all been sufis as well. In fact it is probably correct to say that no great Muslim has existed who did not accept the importance and validity of Sufism. From the great Hassan Basri, saint and hadith scholar in the first century to Imam Shamyl the great Chechyn mujahid of the last century, they have all agreed that Sufism is central to Islam.

Sufism is the light in the heart of Islam and it is rooted in shariat and purifies the hearts of Muslims. Another benefit is that only by returning to Traditional Islam can we become unified and stop this internecine conflict which is tearing us apart.



Finally it is a misconception that a spiritual revolution is incompatible with self-defence too as brother Urstruly said. I am not saying do not defend ourselves in Kashmir etc but to fight with wisdom and with purified hearts. That needs Sufism.

Re Zafar #69

Good I got a straight answer.

Are you absolutely sure that Isalm believes in personal relationship with Allah ? Isn`t the only conduit to Allah is Koran as transmitted through Mohammed and him being the last prophet, after him no one can establish a relationship to Allah.

Naqsh furyadee hai... about the same old crap....

``I want to say that the importance of the spiritual revolution is that until our hearts are purified and until we internalise Islam and become Mu`mins we can never hope to achieve success as Allah has promised us victory in the Koran conditionally with the condition being that we are MUMIN. Those with Iman.``(Naqshbandi)

lemme ask u naqsh the following questions:

did U purify ur heart -- yet?

did U internalize ur Islam?

did u become a true Momin? -- btw it`s MOmin not Mumin

did Allah grant U the victory He promised in the Koran?

Since how long have U been living together with Iman?

now tell me

did Allah grant the obvious Victory to the Christians, Jews, and the Hindus -- OVER THE MOMINS -- all over the world --

because the Christians, the Jews and the Hindus have internalized Christianity, Judiasm, or Hinduism --

or have they ALL internalized secretly -- our Islam?

or do u dispute their victories over the Momins -- by any means?

or -- do u think -- the Christians, the Jews, the Hindus have different Allahs -- more modern -- more hi-tech -- than the Momin`s Allah?

hamidm2 #82 To say that Baghdad led the world at one time in scholarship and scientific advancement (in fact a number of times, once in pre-bibilical times and later in the 8th and 9th centuries AD), does not in any way mean that one condones the suppression of Zoroastrianism in Iran. You represent that the same simple-minded hatred for muslim culture as the simple-minded hatred for western culture that many mullahs exhibit. Both represent a very superficial way of looking at things.

silly #84 Appreciating other cultures, and having the humility and practical sense to learn from them, is not a sign of inferiority as you think. It is a sign of a vibrant and progressive culture. Your way of thinking is no different than that of the maulvi who rejects and denigrates everything outside muslim culture out of hand.

Tahmed,

As an achievement of Islam, you mention the transltion of Greek and Sanskrit Works. A better quote would be the original works produced by the followers of Islam, the ones that have contributed to the advancement of humanity.

yantric #86 You are actually exactly right. The shia-sunni split in Islam is merely a political one concerning who should, centuries ago, have gotten to be the caliph. There is no particular philosophical difference. Sufism on the other hand represents the significant philosophical difference - with the Quran condemning in the strongest of terms the idea that some men are ``closer`` to God than others. And of course it has major practical implications too - namely, you live this life reaching out to your fellow humans and doing good deeds rather than retreating into a hermitage trying to reach out to God. The fact that this truly fundamental split from the message of the Quran arouses no passions among muslims, while shia and sunni extremists are at each others throats all the time, is testament to the fact that people say goodbye to rationality and common sense when it comes to religious issues.

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Re: ajeet # 89

Islamic scholarship was marked not by producing any orginal work, but in collecting, organizing and preserving the works of Rome, Athens and the Hellenistic period. The Islamic scholarly contribution, generally, has been in safe quarding the knowledge of the ancient world during the dark ages of medieval Europe and preventing these works and knowledge from being lost.

Ciao

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tahmed...

i hate to beat a dead camel, but there is no point in trying to find goodness where little exists ......... all this mumbo jumbo about finding beauty in savagery and a values in primitive barbaric cultures is nothing but liberal kaka ..........the bushmen running naked through the kalahari desert have contiributed nothing to mankind, so let`s not pretend otherwise ..........next thing you know the horrible half-naked hindoos will be claiming that since they invented the zero (or was it the decimal system), they too are civilized folks regardless of the fact that millions of them are living in slums and peeing on the pavement .............. of course the muslims, overly clad in flowing nightgowns, did at one point, make a significant contribution to civilization - but that was a long time ago and they did it inspite of islam, not because of it ............. islam, in its true form, as we see it today, is not going to usher in the next post-industrian revolution .......... as a matter of fact it is a receipe for regression - hadood laws and suicide bombers ................

............ ``good`` and ``progressive`` muslims like you are looking for answers where none exist ...... you keep on talking about the beauty of a seventh century text which is supposed to hold the secrets of the universe ...... trust me, it is a waste of time ........... it is time to accept the fact that western civilization is the ticket to salvation ..........