Jarrar Jaffari January 22, 2003
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#58 Posted by rsridhar on January 30, 2003 12:11:53 pm
re:#56 by sac
The reason why i did not follow cricket for 10 years is simple: i left India and cricket behind me. US cares only for baseball. Few have heard of cricket here.
Sridhar
The reason why i did not follow cricket for 10 years is simple: i left India and cricket behind me. US cares only for baseball. Few have heard of cricket here.
Sridhar
#57 Posted by shah. on January 29, 2003 8:50:28 am
re sac #56
No matter how you guys spin it, the psychological costs of losing to Pakistan day in and day out has to take its toll. You should expect a fallout where the news channels and bollywood constantly portraying Pakistan as the enemy and then getting beat up comprehensively on the cricket field except for the odd occasion.
A simple exercise on the StatGuru feature of CricInfo shows that since 1990 India has won 38% of its ODI matches against Pakistan. Not exactly getting beaten day in and day out and winning on the odd occasion. And most of that time Pakistan has had a much superior bowling attack.
No matter how you guys spin it, the psychological costs of losing to Pakistan day in and day out has to take its toll. You should expect a fallout where the news channels and bollywood constantly portraying Pakistan as the enemy and then getting beat up comprehensively on the cricket field except for the odd occasion.
A simple exercise on the StatGuru feature of CricInfo shows that since 1990 India has won 38% of its ODI matches against Pakistan. Not exactly getting beaten day in and day out and winning on the odd occasion. And most of that time Pakistan has had a much superior bowling attack.
#56 Posted by sac on January 29, 2003 7:15:33 am
re rsridhar #55:
You need to channel your bile elsewhere. Considering the poor performance of the Indian team over the years, the support it enjoys from the Indian public is astounding. It has a larger than life image in BOTH Pakistan and India.
No matter how you guys spin it, the psychological costs of losing to Pakistan day in and day out has to take its toll. You should expect a fallout where the news channels and bollywood constantly portraying Pakistan as the enemy and then getting beat up comprehensively on the cricket field except for the odd occasion. In the absence of more martial pursuits in the modern age, sports serve as outlets for our more primitive urges. Stop changing the subject to Mathematics Olympiads and sponsorship and crowd behaviour and other CRAPOLA ala Shankar.
There is a reason you haven`t followed the sport for ten years. There wasn`t much to follow if you are an Indian.
later
-sac
You need to channel your bile elsewhere. Considering the poor performance of the Indian team over the years, the support it enjoys from the Indian public is astounding. It has a larger than life image in BOTH Pakistan and India.
No matter how you guys spin it, the psychological costs of losing to Pakistan day in and day out has to take its toll. You should expect a fallout where the news channels and bollywood constantly portraying Pakistan as the enemy and then getting beat up comprehensively on the cricket field except for the odd occasion. In the absence of more martial pursuits in the modern age, sports serve as outlets for our more primitive urges. Stop changing the subject to Mathematics Olympiads and sponsorship and crowd behaviour and other CRAPOLA ala Shankar.
There is a reason you haven`t followed the sport for ten years. There wasn`t much to follow if you are an Indian.
later
-sac
#55 Posted by rsridhar on January 28, 2003 7:44:21 pm
re:#53 by rozaiba
Those threats were issued before the games even started. What is your point? A threat is a threat. I was only referring to the fact that in Pak, Cricket seems to have assumed a larger than life image and losing to India is regarded as a matter of shame and insult to Paki H and D (honor and dignity). Is it then surprising that India has consistently refused to play Pak (there are of course other political reasons but safety of cricketers is also a main concern)?
Sridhar
Those threats were issued before the games even started. What is your point? A threat is a threat. I was only referring to the fact that in Pak, Cricket seems to have assumed a larger than life image and losing to India is regarded as a matter of shame and insult to Paki H and D (honor and dignity). Is it then surprising that India has consistently refused to play Pak (there are of course other political reasons but safety of cricketers is also a main concern)?
Sridhar
#54 Posted by PaagalInsaan on January 28, 2003 12:18:13 pm
AzadMunna, where do you get your news from? Afghan Islamic Press?
#53 Posted by rozaiba on January 28, 2003 5:01:02 am
rsridhar #51:
``When India played Srilanka in Calcutta for the semis, there were threats from Paki spectators from Pak to the effect that an Indian win might jeopardise the safety of Indians in Pak (for finals). ``
You mean the semi-final between india and sri lanka in which india was losing wickets faster than you could say `hey Ram`, and in which the poor sport indian fans did their best to take matter into their own hands by trying to injure the sri lankan fielders (however, like the cricket team, they too were equally unsuccessful)?
``When India played Srilanka in Calcutta for the semis, there were threats from Paki spectators from Pak to the effect that an Indian win might jeopardise the safety of Indians in Pak (for finals). ``
You mean the semi-final between india and sri lanka in which india was losing wickets faster than you could say `hey Ram`, and in which the poor sport indian fans did their best to take matter into their own hands by trying to injure the sri lankan fielders (however, like the cricket team, they too were equally unsuccessful)?
#52 Posted by Munjan on January 27, 2003 10:22:57 pm
#45 AzadMunna,
Do you really beleive in the things that come out of your mouth ?
Do you really beleive in the things that come out of your mouth ?
#49 Posted by rsridhar on January 27, 2003 8:16:43 pm
re: #37 by Romair
Last time i heard news about Paki team, they were getting thrashed by Australians in Srilanka in front of a few hundred spectators. When was the last time any sporting team has visited your pukiland?
Sridhar
Last time i heard news about Paki team, they were getting thrashed by Australians in Srilanka in front of a few hundred spectators. When was the last time any sporting team has visited your pukiland?
Sridhar
#48 Posted by rsridhar on January 27, 2003 8:16:43 pm
re:#32 by Pankaj
You only have to compare the medal tallies in Asian and recent Commonwealth games to know where Pakis stand. We are still better, claims of Field Marshal of chowk notwithstanding.
Sridhar
You only have to compare the medal tallies in Asian and recent Commonwealth games to know where Pakis stand. We are still better, claims of Field Marshal of chowk notwithstanding.
Sridhar
#47 Posted by rsridhar on January 27, 2003 8:16:43 pm
re:#24 by Romair
How about comparing the sporting medals that your country received say in the last commonwealth games with the number that India got? Or in Asian games?
Go to the following url and look at the medal table in commonwealth games:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport3/commonwealthgames2002/bsp/statistics/medal.stm
Gold Silver Bronze Total
1. Australia 82 62 62 206 (first ranking)
2. England 54 51 60 165 (second ranking)
3. India 30 21 19 70 (third ranking)
4. Pakistan 01 03 03 07 (17th ranking)
In Asian games in Busan, India ranked 8th. Pak was 23rd in ranking. We have been consistently outperforming you in all international venues. Now, do not tell me you guys do not know anything other than cricket. As far as hockey is concerned, i know that you are no better than India.
Url: http://busanasiangames.org/Eng/
Sridhar
How about comparing the sporting medals that your country received say in the last commonwealth games with the number that India got? Or in Asian games?
Go to the following url and look at the medal table in commonwealth games:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport3/commonwealthgames2002/bsp/statistics/medal.stm
Gold Silver Bronze Total
1. Australia 82 62 62 206 (first ranking)
2. England 54 51 60 165 (second ranking)
3. India 30 21 19 70 (third ranking)
4. Pakistan 01 03 03 07 (17th ranking)
In Asian games in Busan, India ranked 8th. Pak was 23rd in ranking. We have been consistently outperforming you in all international venues. Now, do not tell me you guys do not know anything other than cricket. As far as hockey is concerned, i know that you are no better than India.
Url: http://busanasiangames.org/Eng/
Sridhar
#46 Posted by rsridhar on January 27, 2003 8:16:43 pm
re:#24 by Romair
I think you are defending the indefensible. Let statistics speak. How have you guys fared in comparison to India in all sporting events concerned (not just cricket)? Stop talking out of your rear end and use your brain for a change.
Sridhar
I think you are defending the indefensible. Let statistics speak. How have you guys fared in comparison to India in all sporting events concerned (not just cricket)? Stop talking out of your rear end and use your brain for a change.
Sridhar
#45 Posted by rsridhar on January 27, 2003 8:16:43 pm
re: Pakistani cricket
For most Indians, cricket is just a sport to be enjoyed. I have not watched cricket for more than 10 years now but i remember my medical school days when India toured Australia during the Benson and Hedges series (which India won). There was a lot of interest and we had good fun.
For Pakis however, cricket seems to be more than a game. It is as if the whole nationhood is at stake (especially when playing India). I remember the time when India and Pak co-hosted the world cup (which was finally won by SriLanka). India thrashed Pak in Bangalore. There was lot of bad blood. When India played Srilanka in Calcutta for the semis, there were threats from Paki spectators from Pak to the effect that an Indian win might jeopardise the safety of Indians in Pak (for finals). When India lost to Srilanka, Pakistan celebrated, not because this loss has strenthened their chances (Pak was out of the reckoning by then) but just because it gave plain vicarious pleasure to Pakis to see Indians lose.
Our best revenge during this world cup will be to whip the Paki A$$. I have not seen cricket for 10 years but i would not miss the Indo-Pak encounter (if it happens) for anything in the world.
Sridhar
For most Indians, cricket is just a sport to be enjoyed. I have not watched cricket for more than 10 years now but i remember my medical school days when India toured Australia during the Benson and Hedges series (which India won). There was a lot of interest and we had good fun.
For Pakis however, cricket seems to be more than a game. It is as if the whole nationhood is at stake (especially when playing India). I remember the time when India and Pak co-hosted the world cup (which was finally won by SriLanka). India thrashed Pak in Bangalore. There was lot of bad blood. When India played Srilanka in Calcutta for the semis, there were threats from Paki spectators from Pak to the effect that an Indian win might jeopardise the safety of Indians in Pak (for finals). When India lost to Srilanka, Pakistan celebrated, not because this loss has strenthened their chances (Pak was out of the reckoning by then) but just because it gave plain vicarious pleasure to Pakis to see Indians lose.
Our best revenge during this world cup will be to whip the Paki A$$. I have not seen cricket for 10 years but i would not miss the Indo-Pak encounter (if it happens) for anything in the world.
Sridhar
#43 Posted by PaagalInsaan on January 26, 2003 3:07:57 pm
Imran Khan has totally gone insane. Seriously, it must be some psychological disease. Some say he`s trying to exploit religious feelings to gain political popularity lately, but I think its much deeper than that. I really think he should be put in solitary confinement for the rest of his life.
#42 Posted by kashaziz on January 25, 2003 4:14:45 pm
9 punjabi + 2 pathan against rest of the world
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