Stop Indian Atrocities in Kashmir

From the CHOWK archives....


KASHMIR

Let all veils of deception fall

The face of reality can no longer be hidden

Blue lakes, tears of crimson, weeping injustice amidst

House boat rentals, where beauty lives with tragedy.


Tourist posters, promises of romance in the Vale

Switzerland of the East, saffron scented heaven

Cries of anguish not mentioned in the backdrop

Of mountain peaks that stand, silent witnesses.


The occupiers propose marriage, undying devotion

Love is easy in your embrace, such beauty but

Vows are made and broken between gunshots

As the rejected claim questionable legal ownership.


Let Kashmir speak, world don’t turn away

Its not just mist that we see in her eyes

The thundering boots of soldiers approach

Ready For another day in Paradise.


Ras H. Siddiqui

#4 by urstruly

``dreaming about the establishment of a Pitribhumi (fatherland) from the sandy beaches of Afghanistan to the sunny shores of Nepal.``

Sunny shores of Nepal ?! That sure is an open-ended statement. Where does urstruly want Nepal to finds it sunny shores? In Sind or in Balochistan?!

If Kashmir is indeed in the blood of Pakistan Army, then it is time for it to go for dialysis.

Urstruly

Shores of Nepal ka matlab ?

Hindu existed before the father of some non Indic religion was even a sperm. He did live in the land of Bamiyan Buddhas and continues to live in Nepal. Ahem, I`m sure you understand the meaning of ``Hindu Kush`` - also he was your ancestor - a wiser one at that who understood god without having to import it from else where. You on the other hand are gladly enjoying the rape of your own culture (pre-islamic) in the name of Islam. For you, this land isn no more than a real estate.

Thank you

good last line. south asia needs truth and reconciliation commissions so that the public can become reaquainted with the pains of others which they conveniently ignore in the glitz of filthy nationalist propoganda.

Dude

Problem is with
1)Religion: ours is the only way. Only so and so can be the prophet and the rest are either poor cousins(ppl of he book) or infidels.

........ Thus is the seed of superiority complex sown

2) Book: Kill the kafirs, take their women, convert them, take their lands, loot them
........ Thus is the seed of hatred sown

3) Mullahs, Generals, Text books and propoganda: It was OURS - hindus grabbed from us, looted us, broke us, they are thieves - we need to avenge them

........ Thus is full scale life long obsessions born and bred

You will continue to fight for Kashmir because you do not recognise that kashmir has been a part of kafir land before Islam was even conceived. For a muslm, Kashmir is a realestate - for a Hindu it`s a part of his culture, motherland. I wish I cd say the same thing about a muslim too - but then a muslim easily rejects anything non islamic(pls note the context) and hence where`s the connection to anything Kafirisque ?

This battle will end when one of the parties throws in the towel. Let`s hope it`s Pakistan which walks away from the cauldron it created for the better of humanity. C`mon guys, it` be a boring world to have muslims(or any one religion) all over the world. Hindus were here before Prophet got enlightened - let them live. You have already taken what`s justficably theirs, rejected their (your) culture and now want to claim more. If you were so passionate about it(misdirected), how do you explain aksai chin ? Funny people these Mullahs and Generals, they were the looters and yet they whine because their plunder is incomplete. Wonder what goes inside their Khpodis ?

Ref arjun_m #5

[#4 by Urstruly on March 5, 2003 12:48pm PT

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I dont think if Pakistan today washes its hands off Kashmir,
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So what can you do about Indian Kashmir? In a word: Nothing..}

Actually, Urstruly is joining like-minded Pakistanis to organize a circle-jerk group now that flying lessons are out of the question for jihadis.

Ref Urstruly $4 on March 5, 2003 12:48pm PT

[I dont think if Pakistan today washes its hands off Kashmir, that would be an end of it. First of all the claim of Paksitan on Kashmir is consistent with the formula of partition that the three parties, Hindu, British and Muslims agreed upon. It is the Indians who broke that agreement by invading Kashmir.]

Pakistan of course didn`t do anything in Kashmir except disrupt civil supplies from reaching Kashmir thus breaking the Standstill Agreement with the Royal Government of Kashmir; giving arms to tribal raiders from Pak ordnance depots; and granting leave to Pak Army officers so that they can use their vacation to lead the tribals in their invasion of Kashmir.

You know, Jinnah was the dumbest of the dumb-sh!ts who have graced the world with their presence. Here he was laying out masterly arguments for the Partition of India and the same arguments were used by Nehru and Patel to give him a partitioned Punjab and Bengal. Instead of waiting out the indecisive Raja Hari Singh, he sends invaders, forcing Hari Singh to ask India for help and India then extracts its pound of flesh by demanding accession. When Patel suggests to Liaqat Ali Khan that he would be willing to trade Hyderabad for Kashmir, instead of closing the deal right then and there you guys actually lend money to the Nizam in his pursuit of Independence.

Yeah, we invaded Junagadh, Hyderabad, Kashmir, Goa, Sikkim and Nagaland. Go pop an artery.

#10 by Manjit on March 5, 2003 3:33pm PT

Manjit, you are very right. As an Indian I have never even heard of any plans of such expansions from Afghanistan(land of Gandhari) to Nepal. Aren`t we are too busy with our IT (software and hardwares)and Bollywood and Miss Worlds and Cricket World Cup worries?

We should thank urstruly fro this new piece of information. But if it was true, then why didn`t India attack pakistan till now and take over the land which was once truely Indian? There is nothing that can stop India from doing so if it really wanted to.

And by the way, is it Matrbhumi or Pitrbhumi we are going to call this new vast land?

a) Doesn`t Pakistan have enough problems of its own, that it has to devote all its time and effort in raking up Kashmir? I have met enough Pakistanis in my life, across the social spectrum, and even way back in the early` 80s, many of them would in their private moments tell me how fed up they were of this issue dominating their lives. Introspect.

b) The issue of Pakistani atrocities in Kashmir is somehow never brought up. One reason is that the free media does not have access, thanks to Pakistan, to Pakistani Kashmir. The free media can walk up hill and down dale in J&K, I know, because I have done it. Stopping media from visiting POK is, probably, the biggest atrocity of it all. Come on, open up POK, and not just as a source of cheap water for the Pakistani plains.

c) If Kashmir wanted to join Pakistan on the basis of a plebiscite, then Pakistan would probably have to, first, strengthen its position as a free democracy for its own people. That is not happening. Be frank here.

d) And finally, it is obvious to all but the blindest that Pakistan`s position on Kasmir is largely fuelled by the Bangladesh `71 formation memories. Is there less of a record on atrocities there?

On the ground, the Kashmiris (Hindus and Muslims) know what happened to the East Bengalis courtesy West Pakistan. They know what China did to the Tibetans. Does anybody on this board here think that the Kashmiris don`t know what they are in for if they go with Pakistan?

As I have said before, large sections of the Kashmiri diaspora are now fairly well settled all over India, barring refugee camps for Hindus. Their economic and social strengths are well established. The tourist trade to a large extent all over India is well controlled by Kashmiris. Can everybody see the direction?

Corporates can now buy property in Kashmir, and that is just one of the next steps. Visibility of economic conditions of people living in POK is the next. And finally, the US presence in Pakistan as well as the truths emerging therein have got plenty of people on the sub-Continent doing their sums again. Everybody remembers Cambodia. Nobody wants to become Cambodia.

Every Pakistani who loves Pakistan should answer all the question put up in the article. Just for that duration, forget India and just focus on Pakistan.

This is a rejoinder to arjun_m and temporal.

#5 by arjun_m on March 5, 2003 2:00pm PT
``Didnt you read the other post? Pakiland is the only country in South Asia in which the per capita income has gone down in the last 5 years. ``

A combination of massive corruption, discriminatory sanctions (multiple layers) and low savings is the primary cause of Pakistan`s shrinking GNP. You can look at IMF and World Bank`s Development Reports to get a clearer picture. None of these reports suggest any direct linkage with Kashmir (unless your source of ``information`` is Hindustan Times :)) Pakistan`s economic woes started with the return of democracy in 1988.. Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif amassed wealth at an enormous rate. Frontmen were used to obtain loans from banks. Bad loans can devastate any country because it drains capital that would otherwise have been used for profitable investments. (South Korea and Japan are in recession for the same reason: bad debts and corruption.)

#7 by temporal on March 5, 2003 2:00pm PT
``Time is on India`s side ``

Pakistan`s involvement in Kashmir is a low-intensity conflict that bleeds India but keeps the cost on Pakistani side minimal. This philosophy is based on the doctrine of ``death by a thousand cuts``. It has worked tremendously since 700,000 Indian troops have failed to quell an uprising for the last 12 years. As for the casualty ratio, during the early 1990s the ratio of Freedom-Fighters to Indian security personnel killed was 6:1 whereas this was improved to 3:1 during late 1990s. Clearly, the low-intensity conflict is exacting a higher price on India than on Pakistan. Time is clearly not on India`s side since a regular army is getting bogged down by an irregular volunteer force!

The Mufti Sayeed government is fast losing credibility with the Kashmiri people. (Check out BBC SouthAsia website about the end of ``MS honeymoon`` if you don`t believe me). He has already backtracked on many promises made during the election campaign for example the promise of dismembering Special Operations Group.

I believe India should take Musharraf`s offer of fighting extremism jointly. Musharraf is the only man in Pakistan who has the guts and capability to make lasting peace with India. However, this would have to be a peace based on compromise from both sides and the wishes of Kashmiri people. Only an honorable and transparent peace can lead to a rapproachment between two estranged neighbours.

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# 4 Urstruly

That is a mistaken view. There is zero demand in India for the establishment of a ``Pitribhumi (fatherland) from the sandy beaches of Afghanistan to the sunny shores of Nepal.``

°o.O Discovery of the Millenium O.o°



1997 to 2001 is ``last 5 years``. The honorable discoverer was hybernating last year! :)


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