Rightsizing of the Armed Forces
Riffat Jahan February 6, 2003
#85 Posted by harimau on February 10, 2003 3:53:36 pm
Ref ahmadzai #82
[Are you giving any suggestions to Pakistanis to learn from our respectable neighbors the Indians i.e. how are they running the Government in say Gujrat and hope to follow that up in other states? Are you hinting that the country be run by MMA, the honorable counterparts of Sangh parivar?]
You are already running a government that is a hundred times worse than any government even by the Sangh Parivar.
If you have any doubts about it, I don`t suggest that you get a bunch of Hindus/Christians/Sikhs to set fire to a train occupied by Muslims.
Just wrap up peanuts in a sheet of paper printed in Arabic or Urdu and claim that it was given to you by a Hindu vendor and that the paper is a sheet from the Koran.
[Are you giving any suggestions to Pakistanis to learn from our respectable neighbors the Indians i.e. how are they running the Government in say Gujrat and hope to follow that up in other states? Are you hinting that the country be run by MMA, the honorable counterparts of Sangh parivar?]
You are already running a government that is a hundred times worse than any government even by the Sangh Parivar.
If you have any doubts about it, I don`t suggest that you get a bunch of Hindus/Christians/Sikhs to set fire to a train occupied by Muslims.
Just wrap up peanuts in a sheet of paper printed in Arabic or Urdu and claim that it was given to you by a Hindu vendor and that the paper is a sheet from the Koran.
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#84 Posted by harimau on February 10, 2003 3:52:43 pm
Ref Urstruly #83
[Yes I am also hinting that, though comparing MMA with Sangh Parivar is unethical and unprinicipled; but whether its MMA or Sangh Parivar in Paksitan I will kiss the mouth of an eczema infested bitch and stand by her if she stands up for the constitution and soveriegnity of Paksitan.]
I was under the impression you were already married... unless you now propose to cross generally accepted norms against cross-species sex. You will then be bringing new meaning to the term ``man`s best friend``.
[Yes I am also hinting that, though comparing MMA with Sangh Parivar is unethical and unprinicipled; but whether its MMA or Sangh Parivar in Paksitan I will kiss the mouth of an eczema infested bitch and stand by her if she stands up for the constitution and soveriegnity of Paksitan.]
I was under the impression you were already married... unless you now propose to cross generally accepted norms against cross-species sex. You will then be bringing new meaning to the term ``man`s best friend``.
#83 Posted by Urstruly on February 10, 2003 1:01:25 pm
Are you giving any suggestions to Pakistanis to learn from our respectable neighbors the Indians i.e. how are they running the Government in say Gujrat and hope to follow that up in other states?
As a matter of fact I am.
Are you hinting that the country be run by MMA, the honorable counterparts of Sangh parivar?
Yes I am also hinting that, though comparing MMA with Sangh Parivar is unethical and unprinicipled; but whether its MMA or Sangh Parivar in Paksitan I will kiss the mouth of an eczema infested bitch and stand by her if she stands up for the constitution and soveriegnity of Paksitan.
#82 Posted by Ahmadzai on February 10, 2003 12:22:30 pm
Urstruly at # 78:
``Does someone know where the Paksitan`s National Assembly is since last November? Four months have gone by and there hasn`t been a single legislative session? What the hell is going on? How the hell is country running its business. ``
Are you giving any suggestions to Pakistanis to learn from our respectable neighbors the Indians i.e. how are they running the Government in say Gujrat and hope to follow that up in other states? Are you hinting that the country be run by MMA, the honorable counterparts of Sangh parivar?
;)
``Does someone know where the Paksitan`s National Assembly is since last November? Four months have gone by and there hasn`t been a single legislative session? What the hell is going on? How the hell is country running its business. ``
Are you giving any suggestions to Pakistanis to learn from our respectable neighbors the Indians i.e. how are they running the Government in say Gujrat and hope to follow that up in other states? Are you hinting that the country be run by MMA, the honorable counterparts of Sangh parivar?
;)
#81 Posted by Ahmadzai on February 10, 2003 10:14:39 am
In response to Romair at # 71:
Thank you very much for a detailed reply.
You wrote:
``I think in these three years, the economy has been stabilized, Pakistan is no longer internationally isolated, the press has been freed, and Pakistan is facing (most of) its skeletons in its closets. ``
I would say:
This is what we wanted - stability and continuation of policies. For example, the areas of industrial development that the Government has chosen to be pursued as a long-term policy, were being identified by the World Bank for a long time, but no elected Government between 1988-1999 heeded the WB advice. The press is free as can be seen from harsh anti-Government articles being published in the newspapers every so often.
You wrote:
``At the same time, I wish Musharraf had gone after power groups like feudals, corrupt politicians etc., with the same zeal as he went after the maulvis and the beaurecracy....``
I would say:
I think the best strategy would have been to attack one adversary at a time. Opening too many fronts against the status quo would have added not only to the General`s problems, but to an average citizens as well. For example, if he had taken feudals head on, average citizens would have suffered at the lack of food supply. As a priority Government decided to take the restructuring and reorganization of various institutions before attacking on the social pillars of corruption.
You wrote:
``I still think, for his own good, and for the reputation of the Army, he should now retire.... I dont think the country is now going off a cliff as it was in 1999, so military rule is no longer needed.... though they will still respect him more than the other clowns like BB, NS, Altaf etc. ....``
I would say:
I don`t think for a second that we have a political leader capable enough, strong enough and resolute enough to take on the challenges that Pakistan confronts today. Any other person at this stage would need the support of military to run the WOT and yet not displease conservative segments of the society. Then there is always an impending threat of terrorists` backlash. The terrorists are currently on the run as they know that they are pitted against the army. The PML (Q) is spared of this backlash as its the military and special forces that are being perceived as real enemy by the terrorists. If military recedes, then pronouncements and actions against the terrorists would have to come on a daily basis from the elected Government and we know how well defended they are against assassinations and murders. Please recall that when in the 80s Pakistan Navy had captured a vessel of private arms and ammunition belonging to Murtaza Bhutto, his personal security guards had started taking the revenge against poor naval officers and 6 young officers were murdered before the mystery was solved. What I mean to say is that we should not be blinded at this reason why we need military working strongly with the Governments at this time. Its only the General who is earning the anger of the extremists and the elected Government is being spared.
You wrote:
``As for the Mullahs....If the currently elected mullahs outright win the next election, while the condition of the country remains the same, then I can see another coup occuring, with strong support of the USA (and ironically from the secualr Pakistanis), in around five to seven years time. ``
I would say:
Having heard of the way the campaign was run in the NWFP and Western Balochistan at least, I am sure that the Mullas capitalized on anti-American feelings. They had no agenda. That is why they have not come up with a single action after being elected to offices that would boost the living conditions of the masses. In Karachi, they have reclaimed their seats of yesteryears. In Lahore, it was an adjustment between PML N and Jamat-e-Islami. Economic factors cited by you could be real in urban centers of Karachi, Lahore and Islamabad, but not of NWFP and Western Balochistan. I am sure that MMA will not improve the economic situation of the country and at the same time will keep becoming stronger due primarily to a very ridiculous agenda of the West at play at international level.
The US and the European countries are accusing General Musharraf`s Government of various weaknesses in the hope that it will make Mullas stronger in Pakistan. If Mullas take over the country, it will provide the US a genuine reason of attacking and de-fanging Pakistan. But like Eric Margolis had once written that when the actual fight starts, it has little to do with strategy. So basically I agree with your forecast of a revolution, but to me, it would be of an entirely different dimension, not even sparing the neighborhood.
Thank you very much for a detailed reply.
You wrote:
``I think in these three years, the economy has been stabilized, Pakistan is no longer internationally isolated, the press has been freed, and Pakistan is facing (most of) its skeletons in its closets. ``
I would say:
This is what we wanted - stability and continuation of policies. For example, the areas of industrial development that the Government has chosen to be pursued as a long-term policy, were being identified by the World Bank for a long time, but no elected Government between 1988-1999 heeded the WB advice. The press is free as can be seen from harsh anti-Government articles being published in the newspapers every so often.
You wrote:
``At the same time, I wish Musharraf had gone after power groups like feudals, corrupt politicians etc., with the same zeal as he went after the maulvis and the beaurecracy....``
I would say:
I think the best strategy would have been to attack one adversary at a time. Opening too many fronts against the status quo would have added not only to the General`s problems, but to an average citizens as well. For example, if he had taken feudals head on, average citizens would have suffered at the lack of food supply. As a priority Government decided to take the restructuring and reorganization of various institutions before attacking on the social pillars of corruption.
You wrote:
``I still think, for his own good, and for the reputation of the Army, he should now retire.... I dont think the country is now going off a cliff as it was in 1999, so military rule is no longer needed.... though they will still respect him more than the other clowns like BB, NS, Altaf etc. ....``
I would say:
I don`t think for a second that we have a political leader capable enough, strong enough and resolute enough to take on the challenges that Pakistan confronts today. Any other person at this stage would need the support of military to run the WOT and yet not displease conservative segments of the society. Then there is always an impending threat of terrorists` backlash. The terrorists are currently on the run as they know that they are pitted against the army. The PML (Q) is spared of this backlash as its the military and special forces that are being perceived as real enemy by the terrorists. If military recedes, then pronouncements and actions against the terrorists would have to come on a daily basis from the elected Government and we know how well defended they are against assassinations and murders. Please recall that when in the 80s Pakistan Navy had captured a vessel of private arms and ammunition belonging to Murtaza Bhutto, his personal security guards had started taking the revenge against poor naval officers and 6 young officers were murdered before the mystery was solved. What I mean to say is that we should not be blinded at this reason why we need military working strongly with the Governments at this time. Its only the General who is earning the anger of the extremists and the elected Government is being spared.
You wrote:
``As for the Mullahs....If the currently elected mullahs outright win the next election, while the condition of the country remains the same, then I can see another coup occuring, with strong support of the USA (and ironically from the secualr Pakistanis), in around five to seven years time. ``
I would say:
Having heard of the way the campaign was run in the NWFP and Western Balochistan at least, I am sure that the Mullas capitalized on anti-American feelings. They had no agenda. That is why they have not come up with a single action after being elected to offices that would boost the living conditions of the masses. In Karachi, they have reclaimed their seats of yesteryears. In Lahore, it was an adjustment between PML N and Jamat-e-Islami. Economic factors cited by you could be real in urban centers of Karachi, Lahore and Islamabad, but not of NWFP and Western Balochistan. I am sure that MMA will not improve the economic situation of the country and at the same time will keep becoming stronger due primarily to a very ridiculous agenda of the West at play at international level.
The US and the European countries are accusing General Musharraf`s Government of various weaknesses in the hope that it will make Mullas stronger in Pakistan. If Mullas take over the country, it will provide the US a genuine reason of attacking and de-fanging Pakistan. But like Eric Margolis had once written that when the actual fight starts, it has little to do with strategy. So basically I agree with your forecast of a revolution, but to me, it would be of an entirely different dimension, not even sparing the neighborhood.
#80 Posted by arjun_m on February 10, 2003 9:29:05 am
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#79 Posted by yarfarid on February 10, 2003 9:27:21 am
Coming back to the subject of what the overgrown army is costing Pakistan, Ustad Daman said the last word:
Pakistan deaN maujaN e maujaN
Jedha vaikho faujaN e faujaN
Pakistan deaN maujaN e maujaN
Jedha vaikho faujaN e faujaN
#78 Posted by Urstruly on February 10, 2003 7:34:12 am
Further to # 77
Does someone know where the Paksitan`s National Assembly is since last November? Four months have gone by and there hasn`t been a single legislative session? What the hell is going on? How the hell is country running its business.
Does someone know where the Paksitan`s National Assembly is since last November? Four months have gone by and there hasn`t been a single legislative session? What the hell is going on? How the hell is country running its business.
#77 Posted by ssaleemi on February 10, 2003 7:17:36 am
I can bet that the most popular person in Pakistan is Abdul Sattar Edhi. You may use whatever benchmark you want to, Edhi is 100 times more adored and respected than all generals put together. His practical accomplishments too surpass the performance of the top brass by horse lengths.
Does all that should be a pretext for him to start demanding veto power in policy matters, let alone carte blanche to rape the country and/or tear apart the only document of consensus we have, namely 1973 Constitution?
The pertinent questions about the reliability of the referred surveys aside, what does the popularity of the military, as the defenders of the nation, has to do with the topic under consideration? Does that allow military bosses to keep the country hijacked to their personal ambitions?
Moreover, I think it is more than obvious that whosoever criticize the army doesn’t mean to bash the poor orderly polishing the shoes of officers and serving the bloody begums or those standing guard at Whaga. It is the filth at the top one is so damned tired of.
In fact, I would like to go one step further. We should try to have some sort of adjustment ala Switzerland. Dismantle this nasty army altogether. Slaughter this holy cow, kill this white elephant -- at the earliest. Confiscate all the plots and land grabbed by these so-called defenders. Put them in jail, for treason, those who sit on more than two residential plots.
Imagine that our generals travel around in bullet-proof limousines not in use even of German and French generals. And there are people who call them honest and good for stability. Think yourself, are these faggots capable of anything more than selling (and buying) souls and zameer (if they have any)?
Might be there are people who still respect them, I have no choice but to respect their perverted choice. I on my part wouldn’t like to disgrace my saliva by spitting on them.
Does all that should be a pretext for him to start demanding veto power in policy matters, let alone carte blanche to rape the country and/or tear apart the only document of consensus we have, namely 1973 Constitution?
The pertinent questions about the reliability of the referred surveys aside, what does the popularity of the military, as the defenders of the nation, has to do with the topic under consideration? Does that allow military bosses to keep the country hijacked to their personal ambitions?
Moreover, I think it is more than obvious that whosoever criticize the army doesn’t mean to bash the poor orderly polishing the shoes of officers and serving the bloody begums or those standing guard at Whaga. It is the filth at the top one is so damned tired of.
In fact, I would like to go one step further. We should try to have some sort of adjustment ala Switzerland. Dismantle this nasty army altogether. Slaughter this holy cow, kill this white elephant -- at the earliest. Confiscate all the plots and land grabbed by these so-called defenders. Put them in jail, for treason, those who sit on more than two residential plots.
Imagine that our generals travel around in bullet-proof limousines not in use even of German and French generals. And there are people who call them honest and good for stability. Think yourself, are these faggots capable of anything more than selling (and buying) souls and zameer (if they have any)?
Might be there are people who still respect them, I have no choice but to respect their perverted choice. I on my part wouldn’t like to disgrace my saliva by spitting on them.
#76 Posted by arjun_m on February 10, 2003 7:17:36 am
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#75 Posted by Urstruly on February 10, 2003 7:17:36 am
Romair : I think in these three years, the economy has been stabilized, Pakistan is no longer internationally isolated, the press has been freed, and Pakistan is facing (most of) its skeletons in its closets.
Yaar where do you live? Do you even bother to read the newspapers? Free Press? According to Press and Publication Ordinance issued by Musharaf in November Government can sue Press for ``false criticism`` and according to another Ordinance issued during the same time government can hold any citizen for a year in custody without charging him and without giving him access to a lawyer or court. In a country where police drinks the blood of Paksitanis as a Naashta this law gives horrible powers to state. Currently, there are 2k to 5k prisnors held in Paksitani prisons under such law. So much for the skeletons in the closet. And one must be on funny cigarettes to think that economy has been stabilized. Less said the better.
#74 Posted by harimau on February 9, 2003 9:34:30 pm
Ref Field Marshal #71
[At the same time, I wish Musharraf had gone after power groups like feudals, corrupt politicians etc., with the same zeal as he went after the maulvis and the beaurecracy. ]
What were you smoking when you wrote this? The maulvis and mullahs were out from house arrest as soon as the US turned its back after taking note of the fact that Mushy saluted smartly and banned a couple of terrorist outfits when they demanded it.
[If the mullahs can help the poor villager, whose kids dont go to college (and hence could care less about co-education) and who does not have even electricity (what to talk of cable television), and who is already quite conservative, he could care less about the intense convservitism the MMA will bring to the cities it rules.]
You are wrong. Back in the late 70s when TV started its spread through India, I was amazed to see antennae sticking out of the roofs of thatched huts in slums. One guy would buy a TV on installment payment, steal electricity from an overhead wire and all of a sudden he was running a nightly show for the neighbors for one rupee. When the most the Doordarshan could offer was Indira Darshan, as the news show was contemptuously called (or even better, Priyadarshini, this being Indira`s middle name), folks in Chennai were putting up 60-foot tall antennae to pull in Sri Lankan TV and I am sure the resourceful Punjabis were watching PTV as they do even now.
In case you didn`t read the coverage of the Afghan War by slate.com, the first things to come out after the Taliban fell were the TV sets, VCRs and porno movies on tape. This was in Kabul which according to you is more conservative than Lahore.
Actually, people want no interference. It is not for you, me or the mullah to dictate to them what they can and cannot see. Thus in India, there is Fashion TV which shows the catwalks from Milan, Rome, Paris, etc. Just yesterday, there was this model wearing a long skirt and a see-through dupatta-like cloth on her upper body... no bra either....when people want to see boobs, I guess TV will give it to them and the fact that the Hajj has started has no effect on the viewers, the cable TV stations, or even the morality police.
[At the same time, I wish Musharraf had gone after power groups like feudals, corrupt politicians etc., with the same zeal as he went after the maulvis and the beaurecracy. ]
What were you smoking when you wrote this? The maulvis and mullahs were out from house arrest as soon as the US turned its back after taking note of the fact that Mushy saluted smartly and banned a couple of terrorist outfits when they demanded it.
[If the mullahs can help the poor villager, whose kids dont go to college (and hence could care less about co-education) and who does not have even electricity (what to talk of cable television), and who is already quite conservative, he could care less about the intense convservitism the MMA will bring to the cities it rules.]
You are wrong. Back in the late 70s when TV started its spread through India, I was amazed to see antennae sticking out of the roofs of thatched huts in slums. One guy would buy a TV on installment payment, steal electricity from an overhead wire and all of a sudden he was running a nightly show for the neighbors for one rupee. When the most the Doordarshan could offer was Indira Darshan, as the news show was contemptuously called (or even better, Priyadarshini, this being Indira`s middle name), folks in Chennai were putting up 60-foot tall antennae to pull in Sri Lankan TV and I am sure the resourceful Punjabis were watching PTV as they do even now.
In case you didn`t read the coverage of the Afghan War by slate.com, the first things to come out after the Taliban fell were the TV sets, VCRs and porno movies on tape. This was in Kabul which according to you is more conservative than Lahore.
Actually, people want no interference. It is not for you, me or the mullah to dictate to them what they can and cannot see. Thus in India, there is Fashion TV which shows the catwalks from Milan, Rome, Paris, etc. Just yesterday, there was this model wearing a long skirt and a see-through dupatta-like cloth on her upper body... no bra either....when people want to see boobs, I guess TV will give it to them and the fact that the Hajj has started has no effect on the viewers, the cable TV stations, or even the morality police.
#73 Posted by harish_hyd on February 9, 2003 9:34:30 pm
#37 by ahmadzai on February 8, 2003 6:56am PT
1. Oh so you guys know the truth after all? I thought the Pakistani propaganda machine had done a great job in blinding the average Abdullahs (in Arjun`s words) to the perfidious games Pakistan has always played since its birth. Pakistan of 1948 was busy trying to convince the whole world that it was not its armed forces, but the tribals who were doing it. Just as in 1999 it tried to hoodwink the world into believing that it was the Mujahideen who had occupied the icy peaks on the Indian side of the Line of Control, and not its own troops of the 4, and 5 Northern Light Infantry. In any case, the state of Jammu & Kashmir had not acceded to India when your “tribals” had attacked it.
2. Gen. Chowdhary having tea at Lahore Gymkhana? I consider myself a very avid reader, strange I never came across any such article. I do remember though having read that during the 1971 war, when under pressure from the Indian forces in East Pakistan, Pakistan opened up another front at Longewala (where a handful of men successfully defended the border against 200+ of your marauding tanks) on India’s Rajasthan border, your generals had hoodwinked your soldiers into believing that they would have tea at Jodhpur and dinner at Delhi.
3. Well I must say the break-up of the Soviet Union was indeed tragic. But more tragic to me is the drug and Kalashnikov culture that Pakistan inherited with the result that Pakistan social fabric has been irreparably torn apart, and Pakistan’s involvement in the Afghan Jihad could well prove to be the most decisive factor in Pakistan’s ultimate survival (or extinction).
4. And what about the treaties Pakistan signed left right and center to overcome its insecurities vis-ŕ-vis India?
1. Oh so you guys know the truth after all? I thought the Pakistani propaganda machine had done a great job in blinding the average Abdullahs (in Arjun`s words) to the perfidious games Pakistan has always played since its birth. Pakistan of 1948 was busy trying to convince the whole world that it was not its armed forces, but the tribals who were doing it. Just as in 1999 it tried to hoodwink the world into believing that it was the Mujahideen who had occupied the icy peaks on the Indian side of the Line of Control, and not its own troops of the 4, and 5 Northern Light Infantry. In any case, the state of Jammu & Kashmir had not acceded to India when your “tribals” had attacked it.
2. Gen. Chowdhary having tea at Lahore Gymkhana? I consider myself a very avid reader, strange I never came across any such article. I do remember though having read that during the 1971 war, when under pressure from the Indian forces in East Pakistan, Pakistan opened up another front at Longewala (where a handful of men successfully defended the border against 200+ of your marauding tanks) on India’s Rajasthan border, your generals had hoodwinked your soldiers into believing that they would have tea at Jodhpur and dinner at Delhi.
3. Well I must say the break-up of the Soviet Union was indeed tragic. But more tragic to me is the drug and Kalashnikov culture that Pakistan inherited with the result that Pakistan social fabric has been irreparably torn apart, and Pakistan’s involvement in the Afghan Jihad could well prove to be the most decisive factor in Pakistan’s ultimate survival (or extinction).
4. And what about the treaties Pakistan signed left right and center to overcome its insecurities vis-ŕ-vis India?
#72 Posted by harimau on February 9, 2003 3:56:33 pm
Ref tahmed32 #66
[On India`s biggest enemy: T`aint China and t`aint Pakistan. It is poverty and ignorance and poverty and prejudice and poverty and poverty and poverty.
And this is Pakistan`s biggest enemy too. And China`s too.]
There is no way to eliminate prejudice. Education until 18 ain`t nothing but prejudice. After that, one has to do better than Rutgers or Oklahoma State to get the blinkers off one`s eyes.
On the other hand, one can hope to educate the next generation and the one after that and hopefully, in a couple of generations, you get people thinking about a job and putting food on the table and limiting families.... none of that 4-wives-and-16-children dream of waqaralisheikh. Then there is some hope of eliminating poverty.
[And the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Someday, when people come to their senses, they will realize this.]
Pakistan has already had this epiphany: their enemy is India, India`s enemy is China and thus proclamations of eternal friendship with China.
[On India`s biggest enemy: T`aint China and t`aint Pakistan. It is poverty and ignorance and poverty and prejudice and poverty and poverty and poverty.
And this is Pakistan`s biggest enemy too. And China`s too.]
There is no way to eliminate prejudice. Education until 18 ain`t nothing but prejudice. After that, one has to do better than Rutgers or Oklahoma State to get the blinkers off one`s eyes.
On the other hand, one can hope to educate the next generation and the one after that and hopefully, in a couple of generations, you get people thinking about a job and putting food on the table and limiting families.... none of that 4-wives-and-16-children dream of waqaralisheikh. Then there is some hope of eliminating poverty.
[And the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Someday, when people come to their senses, they will realize this.]
Pakistan has already had this epiphany: their enemy is India, India`s enemy is China and thus proclamations of eternal friendship with China.
#71 Posted by arjun_m on February 9, 2003 3:56:17 pm
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#70 Posted by hamzan on February 9, 2003 3:56:17 pm
Just few weeks back there was an article over here “Some Burning Questions” by Nighat Yasmeen, available at
http://63.194.130.82/cgi-bin/show_article.cgi?aid=00001766&channel=chaathouse&start=0&end=9&chapter=1&page=1
Dear romair, she has replied most of your questions quite eloquently in her letter. I fully agree that very few Pakistanis, if at all, don’t keep the soldiers [NCOs and JCOs] and junior officers [to the rank of Major] guarding national frontiers in utmost high esteem. No question about that. No sane person can have a grudge against those poor souls. The problem, rather let me call it the cancer, eating the nation from within, is our ca. 400 good-for-nothing star officers.
ahmadzai and romair, if you don’t mind, you seem to have some weird definition of “honesty”. As N Y wrote, khakis had transformed plunder and loot to institutional game. Modalities may differ the result is almost the same – accumulation of personal wealth. Can you mention ONE general among the serving ones [who are supposedly “honest” by your account] who is NOT a multi-millionaire?
I guess rightsizing, as proposed in the article, may not instantly eliminate the menace of military intervention, but it would definitely serve a message to the top brass that their “extra-curricular” activities are not accepted anymore.
See, judiciary, the corner stone of any civilized society, is totally discredited today due to the swine in khaki and the forced indemnifications under “doctrine of necessity”. Tell me, is there even a theoretical possibility for improvement where senior most judges have been “promoted” to royal whores? And who is responsible for that?
Today we have no institution worth mentioning left that is not in tatters, no political tradition, no constitution, only and only whims of few stupid generals and that’s all. What honesty and what economical stability you people talk about?
http://63.194.130.82/cgi-bin/show_article.cgi?aid=00001766&channel=chaathouse&start=0&end=9&chapter=1&page=1
Dear romair, she has replied most of your questions quite eloquently in her letter. I fully agree that very few Pakistanis, if at all, don’t keep the soldiers [NCOs and JCOs] and junior officers [to the rank of Major] guarding national frontiers in utmost high esteem. No question about that. No sane person can have a grudge against those poor souls. The problem, rather let me call it the cancer, eating the nation from within, is our ca. 400 good-for-nothing star officers.
ahmadzai and romair, if you don’t mind, you seem to have some weird definition of “honesty”. As N Y wrote, khakis had transformed plunder and loot to institutional game. Modalities may differ the result is almost the same – accumulation of personal wealth. Can you mention ONE general among the serving ones [who are supposedly “honest” by your account] who is NOT a multi-millionaire?
I guess rightsizing, as proposed in the article, may not instantly eliminate the menace of military intervention, but it would definitely serve a message to the top brass that their “extra-curricular” activities are not accepted anymore.
See, judiciary, the corner stone of any civilized society, is totally discredited today due to the swine in khaki and the forced indemnifications under “doctrine of necessity”. Tell me, is there even a theoretical possibility for improvement where senior most judges have been “promoted” to royal whores? And who is responsible for that?
Today we have no institution worth mentioning left that is not in tatters, no political tradition, no constitution, only and only whims of few stupid generals and that’s all. What honesty and what economical stability you people talk about?
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