I am Not a Patriot

Arab imperialism as practiced through Islamic fascism must be stopped at all costs if we are ever to realize peace in the world. This is utterly irrefutable. One only need look at the death, destruction and misery around the world, especially in the Middle East, and wherever one finds Islam. The world, and especially the secular left-- apologists for militant Islam--should remember that it was the Arab that tried to mantle enslave Muslims to Arabia. Now is the time for the rest of the world to unite to defeat Arab imperialism and fascist Islam once and for all.. Let us look at the classic definition or attributes of a militant Islam and its similarities its teachings, and then at what happens in the countries where militant Islam exists:

It is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
It is preoccupied with making money.
Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged and even punished.
Mind-numbing techniques (such as excessive meditation, chanting, prayer, etc.) are used to suppress doubts about the group and its leader.
The leadership dictates great detail how members should think, act, and feel (for example: members must get permission from leaders to date, change jobs, get married; leaders may prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, how to discipline children, and so forth).
It is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s), and members
The group has a polarized us- versus-them mentality, which causes conflict with the wider society.
The group`s leader is not accountable to any authorities
The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify means that members would have considered unethical before joining the group (for example: collecting money for bogus charities).
The leadership induces guilt feelings in members in order to control them.
Members` subservience to the group causes them to cut ties with family and friends, and to give up personal goals and activities that were of interest before joining the group.
Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group.
Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members
And where does this militant Islam wreak its havoc? Everywhere!
In Algeria, Muslims make up 97% of the people. Zealots are aggressively working for the establishment of Shari`a law. Christians suffer violence. Believers` throats have been slit. The Christian witness is not permitted.
In Bangladesh, Christians are frequently denied access to public water wells. Many have been beaten by zealot Muslim mobs.
In Brunei, Muslims account for 65% of the people. Christian leaders have been dismissed from the country. Christian literature is not tolerated. Applications for church registration are ignored. Christians must meet in secret.
In Comoros, Christians cannot testify in public. They have undergone harassment and persecution by zealot Muslims.
In Egypt, Christians are treated as second-class citizens. Zealot Muslims frequently attack Christians. There are reports of Christian females being raped and forced to marry these people. The Coptic Church, the largest body of believers in the Middle East, is persecuted continually. Some Coptics have been put in prison for ``inciting intercommunal strife.``
In Indonesia, zealots want to eliminate Christianity completely. Over 600 churches have been leveled. Christians are being forced to convert to Islam. Men, women, and children are coerced to be circumcised. Some Christians are killed out rightly.
In Iran, Christian pastors have been murdered. Believers are not allowed to pursue education or to hold jobs; and they are not permitted to own property.
In Israel, you need a score card to keep track of all the radical Islamic groups bent on its destruction!
In Libya, there is a limit of one congregation per denomination in each city. Muslims make up 97% of the population.
In Mauritania, it is against the law for Muslims to enter Christian homes. The government has gone to great lengths to prohibit Christianity from entering the culture.
In Myanmar (Burma), forced conversions are frequent. In 1966, almost all Christians were forced to exit.
In New York, students from the Islamic Al Noor School in Brooklyn snidely remarked ``Isn`t it ironic that the interests of America are always against what Muslims want?`` And, as to whether suicide bombers would go to Paradise, they earnestly replied ``I mean, they`re doing it for a good cause. I pray that they go to Paradise.`` Still another ominously said, ``I think we`d all do the same.``
In Nigeria, believers have been murdered, while Christian buildings have been burnt to the ground.
In Pakistan, much violence against Christians has been daily fare. Numerous Christians have been murdered by mobs. Christians are not permitted in some professions and given lower class tasks.
In Russia, suicide bombings by Chechen Muslim rebels have killed thousands of people.
In the Sudan, famine, rape and starvation are used by Muslims to control the country and decimate the Christians who live there.
In France, Muslims have declared that their aim is to convert France to an Islamic state by 2007 (and Britain by 2012) And Omar Ahmad Co-founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). Has declared: `` Islam isn`t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant...The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth,``
Our governments must realize that it is their responsibility to protect their citizens against the onslaught of Arabia as funded by Saudi oil. They must denounce militant Islam as the enemy of democracy and our liberties.
We must fund organizations that oppose militant Islam and educate our brothers, sisters, classmates, colleagues, etc. of the dangers of militant Islam and expose its vile lies, deceits and hypocrisy with no regards to ``Muslims` sensibility``. Our governments must protect the lives of the citizens not the ``sensibilities`` of an aggressive enemy set to conquer our lands, wipe out our democratic institutions and impose their barbaric and draconian laws.
The laws of immigration must be revised in every democracy and religious persuasion of the applicants must be taken into consideration. Religions must remain free, but a subversive political movement in the garb of religion should not be allowed. How can we let someone in our country who believes it is his religious duty to subvert our government and destroy our liberties and without even trying to hide his intensions?
We must keep a close watch on militant Islamic expansionism in our cities and prevent Islamic religious schools that unabashedly promote hatred of our people, our government and our cherished values from arising in our towns by whatever legal means possible.
We must put under surveillance suspect Muslim businesses, lest they fund or become facades for terrorist activities.
We must engage Muslims socially and question their beliefs. Enough with political correctness. Let us call a spade a spade.
Finally, we must never, ever cave in to the politically correct of secular left for fear of being called an Islamophobe. There is nothing wrong in being an Islamophobe. Yes I fear Islam because Islam has declared a war on me and my country. This declaration of war is issued in the Quran and as long as Muslims believe in that book and what it preaches, I remain fearful. I have many friends of various religions, races and creeds, and so I know I am not a racist or hatemonger. I love my country and my culture and do not want to lose it to an alien culture that in my view is barbaric and inhumane.
We must above all know that Saudi Arabia is not a nation which can be trusted. Through its oil wealth it is the main bankroller of radical Islam and Islamic violence worldwide. Take away its oil and it is just a nomadic desert tribe with no economic resources.

there must be need to unit free world and reform islam

#93, ferozk:
I agree with you about the Pakistani reality. But it is the lack of declaration of ascendant secularism which creates the image/truth of the monolith of Islam. I agree with Stuka that it is the crux of difference between fanatic Indian Muslims and Average Pakistanis on one hand and the average Hindu and liberal Pakistanis on the other hand.

#89, Ansari: In view of your this comment the crucial questions, then are why inspite of this precedence of toleration have the adherents of Islam - not all but enough of them - behave narrow mindedly? Why the Wahabism exists? Why only Allah is God? Who benefits from this trade of intolerance??

#89 by Ansari

Aamir

thank you. hamey aap se yahi ummeed thi :)

FerozeK:

Though Islam may not actually transcend linguistic and ethnic barriers, a significant number of Pakistanis do believe that it does. Would you consider this statement as close to the truth?

re: Stuka # 82

It is incorrect to say that that Islam transcends ethic and linguistic barriers in Pakistan. It does not and if it did, there would be no sectarianism in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. There seems to be a common view in India and amongst Indians that Islam is some monolithic entity in Pakistan, but there is a marked difference in how a Pakistani reacts towards Islam in a rural and in an urban setting; between an educated and an illiterate person, the debate is sharply divided over the nature of Islam in Pakistan. Islam is interpretated differently according to economic demographics and cultural traditions in Pakistan.

Do not be fooled by the offical title of Pakistan, because even though the constiution does proclaim its Islamic nature, the truth is far removed from the claim. If the criteria for judging the Islamic nature of Pakistan was ever applied and it was suggested that only true Muslims could live in Pakistan and all non-Muslims would be killed and this standard was seriously and honestly applied, a lot of Pakistanis would have to leave Pakistan in order to save their lives!

Ciao

Ansari: Aur agar Gobiyan key dil ko jeetna hai to Kuran kam aur Ghalib pey zyada dhyan den. :)

Ansari: heh heh..i read ``at least one meal`` as ``one last meal``..my bad. :)

Stuka: yaar, maine tau koi last meal ka zikr nahin kiya . . . Khuda karay tau abhi bohat khaanay pattne baaqi hain. Shaayad ek do aap ke saath bhi, gar aap mehmaan nawaazi ka mauqa dein. :o)

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Anuradha: ``...please tell me honestly what would be your reaction. And do you agree that muslims can have no bond with non muslims?``

Honestly? Given how shamefully the Muslims in Pakistan have treated the minorities, Hindus included, I wouldn`t blame them at all. But to answer your question, I would be deeply ashamed if our religious minorities chose to leave this country, as they are doing by the way, because that would only mean that I as a Muslim have failed in my responsibilities towards them. Urstruly made an excellent comment in #37 when he referred to the Constitution of Mecca.

While it is true that an Islamic polity defines people on the basis of their religion but it is not a mechanism of discrimination rather it is a mechanism for a social contract that allowes other people total autonomy in their affairs. According to the tradition set forth by Holy Prophet (pbuh) himself the Islamic law is not applicable to non-Muslim subjects; they are allowed to have their own jurisprudence and law, however, implementation is states responsibility.

Anuradha, I completely don`t believe that Muslims cannot enjoy a bond with non-Muslims. Again, speaking for myself, I have numerous non-Muslim friends and we get along wonderfully. Hanste hain, ek doosray ka mazaaq uraate hain, ek doosray ki maddad kartay hain. One of my study buddies these past few months is a Hindu, and one of the humblest people I have met. So really, there`s never been any problem as far as religion was concerned. Agar aap Islamic history main bhi jaaein tau the conduct of Muhammad towards the non-Muslims was nothing short of exemplary. I remember reading of an incident where a neighbour would regularly leave thornbushes and excrement and afterbirth outside his home to deter him from his cause. A while later the Prophet noticed these were absent from his doorway and, concerned about her, went to check if she was alright; apparently she`d taken ill. Another incident involved the POW`s in the Battle of Badr. The Meccan prisoners feared for their lives for these were real criminals who had perpetrated the worst cruelty against the Muslims in their early Meccan days. However, their anxiety was in vain. With characteristic generosity and largeheartedness, the Prophet of Islam ordered that they be treated with kindness and that the victors, the Muslims, share equal mouthfuls of food with their prisoners.

Anuradha, Muslim unity is not about setting up some self-righteous clique but a fraternity based on faith and compassion. Aap agar Khuda main yaqeen rakhtay hain tau there`s no way you can be unjust to any of His creatures. To do so would be to compromise your own belief, something which no God-fearing person would ever even contemplate. To quote from the Quran:

``O ye who believe! Stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just; that is next to piety; and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.``

Surah Al-Maida, ayah 8


Sincerely,

Aamir

Saman Khan: Good post. and do stay on in Hyderabad. Mmars is too far away.

Inquirer:

``Your claim of intimacy with the Indian military records indicates your having served there``

No. I just have an abiding interest. The internet enables me to keep up on reading. Ii did grow up in Air Force bases though as my father was in the Air Force.

Re Jinnah and Gandhi, hindsight is always 20/20. I don`t know if they regretted anything in theor lifetimes but it is unfair to question anyone`s integrity based on events which happen subsequently. If Jinnah`s speech to Pakistan impressed you, try and get access to his speeches while he was a member of the INC. A genuine patriot, his strongest supporter was Gokhale. Manto will be better able to give you info if you need.

Ansari

surely no one has a problem with Muslims wanting to associate with each other... but that`s not all that this writer has said.

If Pakistani hindus said that they felt no loyalty or patriotism towards Pakistan, but only towards other hindus of this world, and also that that they considered you as aliens and not equal to them, please tell me honestly what would be your reaction.

And do you agree that muslims can have no bond with non muslims?
from my own experience, I can say that it is b/s.

...hahahahaha....razzza`s getting schooled

I have come in late but let me add my own two bits.

I was raised to believe that loving your motherland was part of Imaan - faith/belief. Thus I considered nationalism as part of religion. This talk of a difference between the two scares me.

I might disagree with the ideologies of some of my countrymen/women with the full knowledge that the feeling might be mutual.
I might not agree with the policies of the leaders at the helm.
But just as within a family, one learns to accept, adjust and accomodate inspite of the rotten apples that spoil the entire basket, isn`t it?
Does that mean I should denounce them?
Can`t I accept them as a package? And they do the same with me?

If I have not denounced Pakistan, I haven`t cried myself hoarse in its support either except when it was pitted against some other country than my own. Does that make me a less of an Indian?

Muslims seem to be suffering almost everywhere, so where do you suggest we go? Mars?

What we need is restrain, a look at the future without a dig at the past or controversial issues, adding more fuel to the fire.

#81, Ansari:
You typify the ignorance of an intruder who has no knowledge of the subject and MAHAUL and tries to make a wisecrack.
Try to understand Stuka, razz, Mirza and tahmed32 first!

Ansari:

``Re: This Article

Why is it so difficult for people to understand that Muslims would like to associate with each other? Haven`t you all ever heard of community of culture? ``

Well, this is the basic difference between Indian and Pakistani worldview. The Indians believe that religion is one aspect of culture and not a significant one. For Pakistanis, religion is a strong part of a cultural identity therefore religion transcends ethnic and linguistic connections.

The author here is extrapolating that concept into an uber-religious connection of the ummah at the expense of nationalism. Therein he plays into the worst fears of Hindu insecurities about Indian Musllims...that they are one big 5th columnist group.

Anyways, your ``last meal`` sounds kinda morbid. Sab khairiyat hai?