US Attack on Iraq: Just Do It!

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nasah

I was referring to powell

````SO what is the alternative proposal? I guess there are no adult answers or solutions here, only the adolescent pleasures of protest. ```` (pmishra)

pmishra jee -- being an Indian -- of all the people -- u don`t know the obvious answers? -- the whole world knows it --

the ADULT answers are -- what the 12 out of 15 Security Council nations said -- yesterday -- Inspection and deweaponization of Iraq by the UN -- NOT by One country US taking LAW in its own hands –

a regime change – by Iraqis themselves – NOT by George -- the OIL MAN

NOT by WAR – but by Ispections and civilized NEGOTIATIONS --

now what`s so difficult for an Indian to understand – that?

yesterday in the Security Council -- WAR was the LONELY pleasure of that -- `ADULT` General -- acting like an ADOLESCENT rep -- of a bunch of Texas Juvenile Delinquents -- HELL BENT on a GANG WAR in Iraq.

so please revise your definitions -- PEACE is ADULT -- WAR is ADOLESCENT/JUVENILE -- DELINQUENCY.

pmishra2 #68
The issue is `solution` to what ? Its not clear what is the problem whose only advocated solution- war, justifies the certain death of thousands of Iraqis and the destruction of war?

If the problem is the condition of Iraqi society and the suffering of its children, war is not the solution. The damage to Iraq from war will make things worse not better from a humanitarian angle. Pro-war leaders donot bring up this issue at all, moreover. For instance, I don`t see Bush or Blair threatening Saddam, `use oil-for-supplies earnings to feed your children or we will attack`. These people donot even admit that international sanctions have hurt Iraqi children and are choking Iraqi society and culture, via Saddam.

If the problem is that Saddam is a cruel dictator and Iraqis are crying out for his removal and for political change, again war is not the solution. War can easily lead to fragmentation of the country and civil war between ethnic factions grabbing territory in resulting chaos. The pro-war lobby has not put out any concret roadmap for avoiding chaos or bringing meaningful change in the political system without the country imploding. There is not even a simple pronouncement from pro-war leaders to the effect that going into this war, US/UK govt. are committed to the territorial integrity of Iraq.


If the problem is that Saddam is a threat to the region and the US due to being a cruel and crazed megalomaniac, well, there has been no evidence of any imminent threat to any other country from Saddam for many years. If anything Iraq`s neighbouring countries will be adversely affected by a US-Iraq war.

If the problem is the deadly weapons Saddam is harboring with intent to use them, well where are they? Let them provide better evidence for waging war than the phone conversations they have provided so far(I heard only one).

Being anti-war simply means weighing the substantial certainty of deaths of the destruction of war against the uncertain vague unsubstantiated threat of `evil`.

Even the full force of a uniquely American self-righteous outrage which they display when they grandly prounounce something or someone `evil` is inadequate to provide substance to the case for war.

Is ``maz`` a person or a corporation? Please, Chowk Admin., let me know.

I have enjoyed nasah`s literary wiriting well. pmishra is the Chowk editors` ``plant`` [the kind upgrade auction houses use to raise the bid]. Enjoyed his #55; a real bang!

However, re.#68, pmishra2, there is an adult answer: in the adult section of the video rental stores!!

Thank you Chowk Staff --

for helping us burst this odious bubble of --``Pre Emptive Invasion`` -- of non combatant -- poor third world countries -- as an instrument of this new -- Imperial Foreign Policy -- by a gang of Texas War Lords --

who have -- temporarily -- HIJACKED MY BELOVED country.

THANK YOU -- THANK YOU -- for enhancing World Peace -- and actively promoting RULE OF LAW -- in International Affairs.

No country -- NOT even the Mightiest Country of the World -- the United States of America -- is or will be -- ABOVE THE LAW.

Might is NOT Right -- and NEVER will be -- for the World of 2002 --

we are NOT -- a bunch of SAVAGES.

SO what is the alternative proposal? I guess there are no adult asnwers
or solutions here, only the adolescent pleasures of protest.

Viva La France

UNITED NATIONS, Feb. 14 -- The Bush administration faced broad opposition in the U.N. Security Council today to its quest for authorization for military action to remove Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and destroy any weapons of mass destruction.

After hearing a measured presentation of pluses and minuses in recent Iraqi behavior by chief U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix, a solid majority of council members said the inspectors should be given more time to do their work before the world body considers the use of force.

The session dealt a severe blow to the administration`s carefully calibrated campaign to gain early approval for a U.S.-led invasion.

France, continuing to marshal opposition to an attack on Iraq, proposed that inspectors report again to the council on March 14, long after the White House had aimed to have Security Council support.

``We have to date found no evidence of ongoing prohibited nuclear or nuclear-related activities in Iraq,`` IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei said.

One after another, foreign diplomats took the comments of Blix and ElBaradei as a reason to give inspections more time.

Indeed, Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov and French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin received applause -- rarely offered in the council -- for their remarks.

``There is one point of principle that we all must answer: Must the inspectors continue their work in Iraq in the interest of a political settlement?`` Ivanov asked.

``Russia answers yes to that question.``

De Villepin said U.N. pressure on Iraq is showing ``real progress`` and argued that a war poses great risks to Iraqis and regional stability alike. He warned against ``premature military action.``

``No one can assert today that the path of war will be shorter than that of the inspections,`` de Villepin said. ``No one can claim either that it might lead to a safer, more just and more stable world.``

De Villepin also challenged allegations made by Powell that Iraq has strong ties to the al Qaeda terrorist network.

``Nothing allows us to establish such links,`` he said, citing a French review of its own intelligence and the work of other agencies.

One sign of how badly things were going for the Bush administration was the declaration of Chile`s U.N. ambassador, Gabriel Valdes, whose government had been moving closer to Washington`s line on Iraq:

``I think that what the report has underlined is that the inspections are working and therefore inspections should continue.``

Only Britain, Spain and Bulgaria spoke in support of the U.S. position.
(Washington Post)

NO WAR -- George Bush -- NO WAR

No WAR -- George Bush -- Bring back our Boys -- Iraq is NOT a threat to World Peace -- YOU ARE -- YOU ARE a THREAT to World PEACE.

You are about to commit -- a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY -- THE WORLD IS WATCHING you commit a crime -- DESIST from WAR -- Remember Nuremberg -- and -- Remember Hague

LONDON (Feb. 15) - Thousands of Australians kicked off global protests on Saturday against a looming U.S.-led war on Iraq in the biggest mass peace demonstrations since the Vietnam conflict.

In the Australian city of Melbourne, 100,000 people demonstrated in a peace movement expected to spread to around 600 towns and cities around the world stretching from the far south to Iceland.

``This is a truly global movement. We are in contact with peace movements in the United States and across Europe,`` Stop The War UK leader Andrew Murray said.(Reuter)

where is that Aussie Zafar -- pretty good -- pretty good -- Zafar miaN -- mighty proud of ur mighty Melbourne -- eh

urs

like Killer Father like Killer Son -- Bush & Son Murder Inc --

the First EVER -- Father & Son -- War Criminals team -- one day will be dragged to Hague -- in handcuffs -- if the junior goes through the carnage in Iraq

````Men, women and children joined in the Melbourne protest, chanting anti-war slogans and waving banners that read: ``No blood for oil,`` ``Don`t bomb Iraq,`` and ``We are all one.``

The main target of the demonstration was President Bush and his thrust for war, but it was also directed at Australian Prime Minister John Howard who has joined British Prime Minister Tony Blair in committing troops.````(Reuter)

The drama at the Security Council -- Viva La France!

UNITED NATIONS, Feb. 14 — It was supposed to be a moment for dueling bugles, with the French foreign minister, Dominique de Villepin, rallying his troops against the rush toward war in Iraq, and the American secretary of state, Colin L. Powell, rallying his against any delay in the disarmament of a dictator.

The bugles did indeed sound the prescribed notes — but with a spontaneity that gave uncommon depth and resonance to the confusion, division and anger over Washington`s monumental war preparations.

Around the horseshoe table of polished Norwegian wood in the Security Council today, the debate sounded surprisingly personal.

Most of the diplomats transcended their scripts, bringing emotion and exasperation to an arena steeped in rote routines, and the audience responded in kind.

In a breach of decorum seldom witnessed in the protocol-conscious chamber, applause broke out as Mr. de Villepin concluded his bugle call by evoking the ideas and conscience of ``La France.``

``This message comes to you today from an old country, France,`` the translator of Mr. de Villepin`s remarks intoned through the large white earpieces that gave the roomful of more than 400 people a vaguely alien appearance.

``It wishes resolutely to act with all the members of the international community. Faithful to its values, it believes in our ability to build together a better world.``

Before the translation ended, the applause began in the gallery; on the Council floor, only the Syrian foreign minister tapped his hands together.

At the head of the table, to the right of the German foreign minister, Joschka Fischer, the secretary general, Kofi Annan, pushed the points of his fingers against each other, bending and straightening them in a slow series of mini-push-ups.

Mr. Powell sat stone-faced as the momentary applause ended.

When it was Mr. Powell`s turn, he pressed his palms together prayerfully, tapped them on the desk for emphasis and, barely looking at his notes, began his impassioned appeal.

He called the United States ``a relatively new country on the face of the earth,`` but ``the oldest democracy that is assembled here around this table.``

He laced the rest of his remarks with personal references, declaring near the end, ``Force should always be a last resort; I have preached this for most of my professional life as a soldier and as a diplomat; but it must be a resort. We cannot allow this process to be endlessly strung out, as Iraq is trying to do now.``

But, as personal and as forceful as his remarks were, there was no applause for Mr. Powell. He was playing his bugle for the wrong audience.````(NYT)

``We cannot allow`` -- who the hell are `WE` -- the NEW OWNER of this World? -- or -- ``WE are the WORLD``? -- NOBODY ELSE EXISTS? -- what arrogance -- ``We cannot allow`` --

What? --

`WE` cannot ALLOW -- the concensus of the world 80% MAJORITY -- NOT TO GO to war -- against Iraq?

and `WE`` claim to be -- ``the oldest democracy that is assembled here around this table.``?

did it occur to that General that --

We are not `WE` -- `WE` are all ALONE -- (besides that english stray, that lap DOG -- what`s his name who blares incoherently)

-- in this Vulgar, Shameless, Mongoloid, Misadventure -- like a bunch of 5 Savages -- doing a Naked WAR DANCE -- BEFORE AN INCREDULOUS AUDIENCE OF THE WORLD?

today -- U were not `WE` -- U were a lonely pathetic forlorn sorry figure --Mr. Powell in the Security Council -- out of touch with reality around you -- and rightly deserved -- a stinging slap of -- NO APPLAUSE...

whether U like it or not -- U fell into that Texas Black Mud pool -- and today U look very soiled -- and very black -- Mr. Powell

Today -- in the Security Council -- that black mud man from Texas -- blackened your career before the eyes of the whole world -- for all time time to come --

Harry Belafonte was not off the mark -- in his remark about U -- mr. powell...

suhbatey `saaley` tora `saaley` koonud

Dear Bhitai #56
Your sense has brought you to Guantanamo Bay. Watch where else it carries you as the world wakes up to your discriminatory cultist fanaticism :)

The U.S. would not have had such a hard time finding `support` for it`s war on Saddam Hussain, had it not walked away from major international agreements, i.e., The International Criminal court, Arms reduction treaties with Russia and others, U.N. conferences on Racism, Trade, it`s continued immoral support to the racist zionist entity and it`s continued `belittling` of U.N. and the security council and the way it bullies nations and then calls them `allies`. Atleast the 41st had the ability to assemble a coalition. The 43rd doesn`t know the meaning coaltions and international support. Methinks, the 41st should be sued for raising such a dimwit.

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