US Attack on Iraq: Just Do It!

Ras #16: ``War should always be the last option``

I cannot agree with this.

War should only be the last option, in defensive wars against occupations etc.

In terms of offensive wars, it should never even be an option.

Bhitai

>My point exactly, so why go around the globe claiming you`re care >about muslims, or are somehow not interested in their oil, but >just `trying to help out`!

Cultist lier, America has not been saying that. America has been saying that it can not tolerate the risk of nuclear weapons being in the hands of you fanatical cultists. Unless you behave, after Iraq it may be the turn of the cultists who have been selling nuclear weapons to North Korea.

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Where was your concern for the lives of Afghans(muslims) when your wet dreams of strategic depth forced the taliban down their throats?
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Arjun
Sorry, I was waiting for more specific answers..

You didn`t give a SINGLE statistic backing up your earlier claim. So basically you were bluffing as usual..

Coming to your point of `strategic depth`, it seems like an attempt to evade my question. I don`t give a damn about Pakistan`s strategic depth to begin with - and Pak ISI`s dirty games are irrelevant to the discussion here.

``The US isn`t obligated to give anyone anything``
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My point exactly, so why go around the globe claiming you`re care about muslims, or are somehow not interested in their oil, but just `trying to help out`!

The truth is Arjun, with all your spin-doctoring, you cannot defend why the US is deserting the Afghanis for the 2nd time, a nation the US used as cannon fodder against russians. Did you know there was a famous saying in CIA during the cold war `we`ll fight the russions till the last Afghan`!

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shah # 26

The cultist lies never stop.

“Look, our strategy is to create chaos, to create a vacuum.” - About Afghanistan.
“We will export death and violence to the four corners of the earth in defense of our great nation.”

ahmadzai # 29
Fanatical Muslim cultists who are taught to beat up others will get beat up. The beating up of Muslims who are taugh to beat up others and kiling of Muslim killers has just begun.

#31

I did not know countries give charities out of their defense budgets.

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Guess which country has given more money for the welfare of poor muslims.. your choices are
1. US
2. Saudi Arabia
3. Pakistan

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Arjun:
First of all, we don`t know the answer, so please enlighten us with some figures, or will you like to keep us guessing here???

Btw..I happen to know some `other` figures, and have some queries, that I would like to put forth, for instance:

the US has spent 37 BILLION dollars on Afghan war already
Afghanistan was pledged 34 BILLION for reconstruction (by international community)..
How much did Afghans actually GET???

the US defense budget is going to be 400 BILLION dollars a YEAR.
Thats more than ONE BILLION dollars a day...

May I ask, how much %age of their military budget goes to MUSLIM charities???

Interestingly the national US debt increases by the rate of 1.2 BILLION per day! So far the total debt is some 6.4 TRILLION DOLLARS(!)
Doesn`t it mean most of their debts are originating from their military spending?

That doesn`t sound like a benign nation to me..

As of `98, The refugee/native ratio in the countries you mentioned was:

Iran - 1:33
Pakistan - 1:117
KSA - 1:157
US - 1:415 (fyi majority from non-muslim countries like vietnam and russia etc.)

So in short, I don`t see much coming out of the US pockets here for the muslim masses, or any masses for that matter (remember how much money was PLEDGED to the VIETNAMESE after the war, and how much did they actually GET?).

Will be looking forward to some answers here...

In response to arjun_m at # 25

``There is no such thing as an ethical/moral foreign policy...``

Talk about yourself and your saffron leadership.

``We will give back Aksai Chin to the Kashmris because the Chinese have high morals`` ain`t exactly moral or ethical... ``

I thought that you had chickened out on this argument as you did not post any response to my last post on this matter on another article. Please read those comments and revert.

``And what would you call Pakistan`s policy of forcing taliban down the throats of the poor Afghans? Ethical? Moral?``

Unfortunately, Afghan put the Talibans down their throat themselves. Pashtoons of Afghanistan still like the Talibans. This is why the coalition has not been able to control Pashtoons outside of Kabul yet, blaming it on regrouping of Al Qaeda in Pakistan and the usual crap.

``And i told you it wouldn`t matter...Who do you think will get picked up after the next terrorist attack...? The usual suspectes of course... You are missing the bigger issue..Why were the pakis picked up in the first place? Why do 5 pakis jumping ship in the US make it to the fron pages when there are a hundred mexicans crossing the border every day.. ``

Thanks for agreeing that others are doing a crime but only Pakistanis are being picked. So one can safely assume that India might be conducting state sponsored terrorism in Kashmir, but Pakistanis may be the usual suspect. Btw, not only Pakistanis, but also other Muslims are being arrested and freed and therefore, don`t you see any pattern of victimising Muslims alone?

``We don`t expect you to believe anything...just as the world doesn`t buy the standard paki line ``no infiltration only moral and diplomatic support`` line on Kashmir...truth be told, we don`t care if you believe..``

Even though I had used `we` as a figure of speech, hats off to you. If truth has to be told then you have to agree that Kashmiris want to be with Pakistan.

shah #26 We shall indeed find out soon enough what this war will be like and the immediate aftermath. It does appear from an article in the WP today, that this will not be a replay of 1991: The strategy then was to take out air defenses first, which meant air strikes. With effective Iraqi air and ground defenses now essentially limited to a small 50 mile wide corridor between Baghdad and Tirkit (100 miles north), the aim now appears to be to limit the air strikes to this narrow area, thereby avoiding disruption of civil life elsewhere in the country. If this turns out to be correct, then hopefully disruption of civilian life will be minimized AND saddam will be ousted. But let us wait and see...

arjun_m at # 7 wrote:

``Children are instructed to “mercilessly beat up” non-Muslims. “Every student should become a holy warrior,” the second grade textbook states.``

Now you must appreciate that Jamaat Dawaa, the biggest Islamic party of the world that CNN and BBC give at least 4 hours of coverage per day has some thing better than Indian IT revolution.

Its in Pakistan that children are instructed to “mercilessly beat up” non-Muslims and “Every student should become a holy warrior, but through some technique of meta physics this training is getting imparted to Sangh Parivar in India. In India, under the leadership of Advanis and Modis, the fanatics are beating up the minorities and are becoming Saffron Holy Warriors.

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ABDUL & HAMIDM STRIKE AGAIN

A Muslim family in an appartment was sound asleep when they were awakened by a loud bang on the door.

``Open up, FBI`` someone yelled from outside.

But as the man of the household was approaching the door to open it, the people from outside ramed the door open and a swat team barged in. Within seconds the whole family was dragged from their beds and made to stand in a line in the living room. Then at the order of the FBI incharge whole family was forced into the Murgha position . FBI learned this new investigation technique from Pak Police while they were working in Paksitan. (Those who do not know what Murgha position is, should ask their mommies and dadies, I am pretty sure that they know it very well).

So the whole family is in Murgha position, including the two year old little Fatima with pacifier in his mouth while the team is searching their apartment.

In a few minutes the team reports back to the in-charge that they couldn`t find anything.

``OK Abdul`` the in-charge yells at the man of the household ``tell us where the heck is the incriminating evidence so that we could dispatch your sorry asses to Gitmo?``

As the FBI man says that the whole family bursts into laughter, right in the Murgha position. The FBI agent really gets pissed off at this but also astonished.

``You Paki fukks, do you have any idea what kind of trouble you are in? We might shoot you at this very spot and you are laughing like morons? why are you laughing?`` FBI agent yells.

The man of the household raises his hand and asks for permission to speak. FBI agent permits.

``We are all laughing because we are not Abduls we are hamidms. Abduls live next door.``

Two interesting quotes made by Dubya, from Bob Woodword`s book -

“Look, our strategy is to create chaos, to create a vacuum.” - About Afghanistan.
“We will export death and violence to the four corners of the earth in defense of our great nation.”

Such quotes also give credence to a theory I read somewhere that GWB is very articulate when he is talking about baseball, killing, violence, and revenge.

re tahmed #23
We will know soon whether relentless bombing with B52s is ``good`` for the Iraqi people in the short and long run. Also, we will know if US ushers an era of peace and goodwill and democracy and human rights in Iraq or just captures the oil-wells and leaves rest of Iraq in chaos.