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US Attack on Iraq: Just Do It!

Maz February 12, 2003

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#49 Posted by arjun_m on February 14, 2003 7:18:03 am
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#50 Posted by arjun_m on February 14, 2003 7:18:04 am
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#51 Posted by nasah on February 14, 2003 8:27:18 am
Blix slaps Colin for providing FALSE intelligence to the Security Council --abut the `cleaning` truck at a so called WMD site.

Pathetic Colin Powell -- thought u were sooooo grrrrreat -- that Texas dimwit did u in -- didn`t he.....
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#52 Posted by Urstruly on February 14, 2003 8:27:18 am

There is NOT going to be an attack on Iraq
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#53 Posted by arjun_m on February 14, 2003 10:41:57 am
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#54 Posted by Romair on February 14, 2003 10:42:45 am
There seems to be some interesting positive developments that have occured during these pre-war days:

- The anti-war movement in Europe and even in the USA has mobilized far before the war has even started.

- Certain European countries have openly challenged the USA and opposed it on this war.

- The USA is having far more difficulty than normal in forcing the UN to support the USA`s war.

- Massive anti-war movements have taken place in Europe.

- People are not buying the US media propoganda on making this war a, ``Saddam`` issue, rather than a US personal interest issue.

I doubt the USA will be restrained by all of the above. It will just act alone. However, if the USA is restrained by all of the above, then it will definitely be a victory for the anti-war supporters amongst us. This could set a new precendence under which USA (and other future superpowers) will be detered by human rights and by the peace movement.

I think it is the duty of every peace-lover to take a stance against the war supporters, anytime and anywhere - including against the war-mongers on this site, who are trying their best to encourage a war, by providing false information in its support.

Offensive wars should not be the first or the last option. They should not be an option, at all. The only legitimate violence is in self-defence, when one`s country, home, land etc. is attacked or occupied, colonised etc.
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#55 Posted by Urstruly on February 14, 2003 11:34:47 am

Nasah # 52

You are too soft on this war criminal. This butcher of baghdad is directly and indirectly responsible for over a million Iraqi deaths not to mention the war crimes comitted under his command in south america throughout 70s, 80s, and 90s. The indignity is well deserved.
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#56 Posted by Bhitai on February 14, 2003 11:34:47 am
#49
dear no_more_a_garden_slave_but_an_upgraded_kitchen_slave

please try a little harder to put some sense into your postings...
happy writing(or trying)..

for the rest of the crowd, I have a question:

``If the U.S. has solid evidence on Iraq`s link to Al Qaida, why does it offer Saddam Hussain a safe haven and protected departure? ``

Arjun, Sameer, anyone from the warmongers here...?
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#57 Posted by pmishra2 on February 14, 2003 11:34:47 am
No doubt Bush lacks leadership capabilities. He has been unable to present his vision of the future of the middle-east and indeed the world to us. Compared to Woodrow Wilson, FDR and Kennedy he comes across as a lightly educated Texas red-neck.

Accepting all of this, however, please tell me one thing. What should be done about Iraq? Should Saddam and his henchmen continue to rule Iraq and the world continue sanctions? And to hell with the Iraqi people then??? Should 10, 000 US troops remain permanently stationed in the Gulf waiting for Saddam to make the first move?

It is easy to diss Bush and even Powell. Linking al-Qaeda to Iraq was a really silly thing to do (you could link al-Qaeda more clearly to Tony Blair I think, given the free movement the British have permitted to hardened islamists!). All good points.

But what should be done to manage Saddam? Or do we just wait for a couple of years, while iraqi civilians continue to suffer, until Saddam declares he has WMD. And who will bell the cat then? Schroeder? I dont think so. The peaceniks in London? Ummm, ...I have a feeling they will be otherwise engaged.


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#58 Posted by arjun_m on February 14, 2003 11:34:48 am
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#59 Posted by arjun_m on February 14, 2003 2:44:15 pm
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#60 Posted by MianBhai on February 14, 2003 4:49:19 pm
The U.S. would not have had such a hard time finding `support` for it`s war on Saddam Hussain, had it not walked away from major international agreements, i.e., The International Criminal court, Arms reduction treaties with Russia and others, U.N. conferences on Racism, Trade, it`s continued immoral support to the racist zionist entity and it`s continued `belittling` of U.N. and the security council and the way it bullies nations and then calls them `allies`. Atleast the 41st had the ability to assemble a coalition. The 43rd doesn`t know the meaning coaltions and international support. Methinks, the 41st should be sued for raising such a dimwit.
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#61 Posted by no_more_a_slave on February 14, 2003 6:50:26 pm
Dear Bhitai #56
Your sense has brought you to Guantanamo Bay. Watch where else it carries you as the world wakes up to your discriminatory cultist fanaticism :)
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#62 Posted by nasah on February 14, 2003 10:33:20 pm
The drama at the Security Council -- Viva La France!

UNITED NATIONS, Feb. 14 — It was supposed to be a moment for dueling bugles, with the French foreign minister, Dominique de Villepin, rallying his troops against the rush toward war in Iraq, and the American secretary of state, Colin L. Powell, rallying his against any delay in the disarmament of a dictator.

The bugles did indeed sound the prescribed notes — but with a spontaneity that gave uncommon depth and resonance to the confusion, division and anger over Washington`s monumental war preparations.

Around the horseshoe table of polished Norwegian wood in the Security Council today, the debate sounded surprisingly personal.

Most of the diplomats transcended their scripts, bringing emotion and exasperation to an arena steeped in rote routines, and the audience responded in kind.

In a breach of decorum seldom witnessed in the protocol-conscious chamber, applause broke out as Mr. de Villepin concluded his bugle call by evoking the ideas and conscience of ``La France.``

``This message comes to you today from an old country, France,`` the translator of Mr. de Villepin`s remarks intoned through the large white earpieces that gave the roomful of more than 400 people a vaguely alien appearance.

``It wishes resolutely to act with all the members of the international community. Faithful to its values, it believes in our ability to build together a better world.``

Before the translation ended, the applause began in the gallery; on the Council floor, only the Syrian foreign minister tapped his hands together.

At the head of the table, to the right of the German foreign minister, Joschka Fischer, the secretary general, Kofi Annan, pushed the points of his fingers against each other, bending and straightening them in a slow series of mini-push-ups.

Mr. Powell sat stone-faced as the momentary applause ended.

When it was Mr. Powell`s turn, he pressed his palms together prayerfully, tapped them on the desk for emphasis and, barely looking at his notes, began his impassioned appeal.

He called the United States ``a relatively new country on the face of the earth,`` but ``the oldest democracy that is assembled here around this table.``

He laced the rest of his remarks with personal references, declaring near the end, ``Force should always be a last resort; I have preached this for most of my professional life as a soldier and as a diplomat; but it must be a resort. We cannot allow this process to be endlessly strung out, as Iraq is trying to do now.``

But, as personal and as forceful as his remarks were, there was no applause for Mr. Powell. He was playing his bugle for the wrong audience.````(NYT)

``We cannot allow`` -- who the hell are `WE` -- the NEW OWNER of this World? -- or -- ``WE are the WORLD``? -- NOBODY ELSE EXISTS? -- what arrogance -- ``We cannot allow`` --

What? --

`WE` cannot ALLOW -- the concensus of the world 80% MAJORITY -- NOT TO GO to war -- against Iraq?

and `WE`` claim to be -- ``the oldest democracy that is assembled here around this table.``?

did it occur to that General that --

We are not `WE` -- `WE` are all ALONE -- (besides that english stray, that lap DOG -- what`s his name who blares incoherently)

-- in this Vulgar, Shameless, Mongoloid, Misadventure -- like a bunch of 5 Savages -- doing a Naked WAR DANCE -- BEFORE AN INCREDULOUS AUDIENCE OF THE WORLD?

today -- U were not `WE` -- U were a lonely pathetic forlorn sorry figure --Mr. Powell in the Security Council -- out of touch with reality around you -- and rightly deserved -- a stinging slap of -- NO APPLAUSE...

whether U like it or not -- U fell into that Texas Black Mud pool -- and today U look very soiled -- and very black -- Mr. Powell

Today -- in the Security Council -- that black mud man from Texas -- blackened your career before the eyes of the whole world -- for all time time to come --

Harry Belafonte was not off the mark -- in his remark about U -- mr. powell...

suhbatey `saaley` tora `saaley` koonud



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#63 Posted by nasah on February 14, 2003 10:33:20 pm
````Men, women and children joined in the Melbourne protest, chanting anti-war slogans and waving banners that read: ``No blood for oil,`` ``Don`t bomb Iraq,`` and ``We are all one.``

The main target of the demonstration was President Bush and his thrust for war, but it was also directed at Australian Prime Minister John Howard who has joined British Prime Minister Tony Blair in committing troops.````(Reuter)
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#64 Posted by nasah on February 14, 2003 10:33:20 pm
urs

like Killer Father like Killer Son -- Bush & Son Murder Inc --

the First EVER -- Father & Son -- War Criminals team -- one day will be dragged to Hague -- in handcuffs -- if the junior goes through the carnage in Iraq
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