Haroon Moghul March 1, 2003
#23 Posted by sajni on March 3, 2003 11:34:16 am
#22 NO HAVING AN AFFAIR IS NOT BETTER THAN ANYHTING, IT COULD BE FATAL AS WELL, REMEMBER ``FATAL ATTRACTION`` IF NOT THE WIFE THE GIRFRIEND WILL KILL YOU OUT OF JEALOUSY
#22 Posted by Saminasha on March 2, 2003 9:30:51 pm
More of our characters should be poisoning us bad writers...
#21 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on March 2, 2003 9:30:51 pm
Haroon
Another helping suggestion. Have an affair on the side. (or a second wife)
Maybe this will give a purpose and a meaning in life.
And accept the accompanying disturbance, chaos, turmoil and confusion in family life.
Still better than dying!
#20 Posted by sadna on March 2, 2003 7:11:33 pm
Samina #14
Author maynot have realised that one of his characters was poisoning the other :)
Author maynot have realised that one of his characters was poisoning the other :)
#19 Posted by aaria on March 2, 2003 6:46:15 pm
Wow Im glad I read this.. I wasnt planning on it but just decided too. Awesome job, it was the wife and the poison.. interesante..
#18 Posted by sajni on March 2, 2003 6:46:14 pm
see that is why having good morals and blind faith in something more powerful than us .i.e God is so important for our sanity and well being, and ofcourse people should stop living according to others standards but thier own. I think all human beings want to live simply, all the show and luxury is to impress others who can never be satisfied no matter what, they are like bottomless pits, so better to just live ones life simply and happily, this will make all those superficial folks out there more jealous and envious BE SIMPLE AND BE HAPPY THEN SEE HOW LIFE WILL CHANGE FOR ALL OF US :)))))))))))))))))))))
if it were left up to us we would happily dose off till the afteroon and work only over the weekends, but why people work thier arses off every single day is cuz they have to achieve and gain that ultimate success which is all societies creation, and bunch of non-sense. i think people should not compete with anyone, i believe competition is the root of all evil , it creates unnecessary tension and conflict between all brothers and sisters, friends, family etc etc . so set your own standards for success and happiness and good riddens to all those people who think you are a looser just because you refused to live up to thier warped and twisted standards of success and acheivement. more power to such a person who could care less about superficial sstandards of living and instead lives a wonderful and peaceful life in some nice little village, just content with the simple things in life, and who aspires to achieve knowledge and learning for the sake of it and not to impress others or get a hi-tech job in some firm resulting in constant headache and popping prozac pills or taking sleeping pills every night.
#tipu. thanx for the compliment i really appreciate it but no one is perfect. it is the society that decides who is perfect and who is not. but thanx for saying that i look perfect but frankly i dont think so ;)
if it were left up to us we would happily dose off till the afteroon and work only over the weekends, but why people work thier arses off every single day is cuz they have to achieve and gain that ultimate success which is all societies creation, and bunch of non-sense. i think people should not compete with anyone, i believe competition is the root of all evil , it creates unnecessary tension and conflict between all brothers and sisters, friends, family etc etc . so set your own standards for success and happiness and good riddens to all those people who think you are a looser just because you refused to live up to thier warped and twisted standards of success and acheivement. more power to such a person who could care less about superficial sstandards of living and instead lives a wonderful and peaceful life in some nice little village, just content with the simple things in life, and who aspires to achieve knowledge and learning for the sake of it and not to impress others or get a hi-tech job in some firm resulting in constant headache and popping prozac pills or taking sleeping pills every night.
#tipu. thanx for the compliment i really appreciate it but no one is perfect. it is the society that decides who is perfect and who is not. but thanx for saying that i look perfect but frankly i dont think so ;)
#17 Posted by Saminasha on March 2, 2003 4:05:56 pm
Sadna,
Oof! Of course its the wife! How could I have been so blind?
(Goddess bless irony)
(and not ironing)
Oof! Of course its the wife! How could I have been so blind?
(Goddess bless irony)
(and not ironing)
#16 Posted by Ras on March 2, 2003 4:05:56 pm
I expected less in this writing but instead got a lot more.
Very well written but extremely troubling content.
Ras
#15 Posted by Minhaj on March 2, 2003 4:05:55 pm
Other than the quest for perfection, , Us Ke Halaq mai dard hai! The guy is vomiting every day. Acha beta bhee loser hai, instead of bringing Strepsils or some kind of nice minty Davaiee for his dad, he is watching ACTION movie down stairs!
Aur Beti:
``In fact, she also has an apartment, an expensive car and plans to study Persian in Iran (my wife told her to study Urdu in Pakistan, but she refused). ``
What a bitch!
Ending mai bivi keh rahee hai, ``Dont make a mess!!!`` Us Ka Shauhar apnee Jaan Le raha hai and she is worried about the bed sheets!! Acha instead of saying something deep Banday ke aakhree alfaaz ye hain,
``I have already cleaned the bathroom!``
This guy should pull the trigger.
Aur Beti:
``In fact, she also has an apartment, an expensive car and plans to study Persian in Iran (my wife told her to study Urdu in Pakistan, but she refused). ``
What a bitch!
Ending mai bivi keh rahee hai, ``Dont make a mess!!!`` Us Ka Shauhar apnee Jaan Le raha hai and she is worried about the bed sheets!! Acha instead of saying something deep Banday ke aakhree alfaaz ye hain,
``I have already cleaned the bathroom!``
This guy should pull the trigger.
#14 Posted by sadna on March 2, 2003 12:17:25 pm
How about the wife has been poisoning him all these years :)
(remember the Sixth Sense?)
(remember the Sixth Sense?)
#13 Posted by Tipu on March 2, 2003 12:07:50 pm
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#12 Posted by UmerMurtaza on March 2, 2003 11:52:41 am
Haroon,
Fascinating stuff. A man hell bent on `conquests` rather than comfort. Perhaps it`s the journey he`s addicted to.
And he seeks life but when calamity hits him, he wishes to end it...the talk of a faithless?
Umer M.
Fascinating stuff. A man hell bent on `conquests` rather than comfort. Perhaps it`s the journey he`s addicted to.
And he seeks life but when calamity hits him, he wishes to end it...the talk of a faithless?
Umer M.
#11 Posted by sajni on March 2, 2003 11:52:41 am
#cmp99, clam down, calm down. i feel as if you are the one who wants to be perfect. not us , a lot of people dont care about being perfect. because what is perfection anyway??? it has a different meaning for everyone. what i find perfect may not seem that perfect to you or anyone else for that matter.
#10 Posted by Saminasha on March 2, 2003 10:09:21 am
Haroon,
This is quite interesting, only, its a bit too easy given the potential depth of the narrator`s voice as Slink pointed out. You could spend a great deal more time sorting out the cacophony as the Great Masters and Mistresses have to powerful effect. The question your character is asking is a universal one-one that I would argue each person asks her or himself no matter what her/his life has entailed...there is an absence of that kind of universality or understanding and too much self absorption on the rendering of the character to pull this off.
Lets say that you want to portray the character as sympathetic-those are your intentions...my argument would be that from that point on you have lost the story. The character will never surprise you, come to cocnclusions that are contrary, will not receive any revelations authentic enough to make this work, regardless of the wife`s role.
If the wife is meant to be complicit in the aggravating the narrator`s illness as are the daughter and son...I dont know...it seems to veer off into melodrama...what do you make of it? If the narrator is being melodramatic, surely it can be written with some satirical effect...
The whole perfection isn`t what its cracked up to be esp. in the US is a bit banal....and while I sympathetize with the narrator feeling he is completely lost in terms of his function of patriarchy, I `d like to see some more interrogation on that end...have you seen any Kurosawa? He`s got that ability to transcend using images, ideas, situations...if this character is as deep as one might preceive, you`ve got to have him show it in terms of his making meanings, asking questions, etc. In this case, I`d tend to agree with Khan Sahib-why is this narrator capitulating so easily? Unless he`s got something against going outside of himself to help others to help himself?
Hmmmm....now There`s a revelation....
This is quite interesting, only, its a bit too easy given the potential depth of the narrator`s voice as Slink pointed out. You could spend a great deal more time sorting out the cacophony as the Great Masters and Mistresses have to powerful effect. The question your character is asking is a universal one-one that I would argue each person asks her or himself no matter what her/his life has entailed...there is an absence of that kind of universality or understanding and too much self absorption on the rendering of the character to pull this off.
Lets say that you want to portray the character as sympathetic-those are your intentions...my argument would be that from that point on you have lost the story. The character will never surprise you, come to cocnclusions that are contrary, will not receive any revelations authentic enough to make this work, regardless of the wife`s role.
If the wife is meant to be complicit in the aggravating the narrator`s illness as are the daughter and son...I dont know...it seems to veer off into melodrama...what do you make of it? If the narrator is being melodramatic, surely it can be written with some satirical effect...
The whole perfection isn`t what its cracked up to be esp. in the US is a bit banal....and while I sympathetize with the narrator feeling he is completely lost in terms of his function of patriarchy, I `d like to see some more interrogation on that end...have you seen any Kurosawa? He`s got that ability to transcend using images, ideas, situations...if this character is as deep as one might preceive, you`ve got to have him show it in terms of his making meanings, asking questions, etc. In this case, I`d tend to agree with Khan Sahib-why is this narrator capitulating so easily? Unless he`s got something against going outside of himself to help others to help himself?
Hmmmm....now There`s a revelation....
#9 Posted by cmp99 on March 2, 2003 9:42:38 am
Are we stupid to be thinking about getting more out of life than we really
think we deserve, or is this just something we hope we really can achieve. Do we really need so much to satisfy ourselves ... why? Why this need for gratification, instant gratification.
The perfect friends, the perfect wife, the perfect marriage, the perfect
parents, the perfect children, the perfect medical insurance plan ......
whats up with so much perfection in life. Who needs so much perfection ... and why?
Maybe its not the thought that counts, its all of us aspiring to be supreme
arseholes for the rest of our lives. Trying to live out our lives according
to what we define as right. Society dictates the rules, we bend them a
little to suit our needs and then expect all others to follow us into Holy
Bliss. Nirvana is not what we hope to attain, we just need a scapegoat. We just need to trust. We need to need. We need to let go and hang on.
think we deserve, or is this just something we hope we really can achieve. Do we really need so much to satisfy ourselves ... why? Why this need for gratification, instant gratification.
The perfect friends, the perfect wife, the perfect marriage, the perfect
parents, the perfect children, the perfect medical insurance plan ......
whats up with so much perfection in life. Who needs so much perfection ... and why?
Maybe its not the thought that counts, its all of us aspiring to be supreme
arseholes for the rest of our lives. Trying to live out our lives according
to what we define as right. Society dictates the rules, we bend them a
little to suit our needs and then expect all others to follow us into Holy
Bliss. Nirvana is not what we hope to attain, we just need a scapegoat. We just need to trust. We need to need. We need to let go and hang on.
#8 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on March 2, 2003 8:18:53 am
Haroon
Give all your wordly possessions to the charity.
Open a free school for the poor.
You will get up from the bed, feel much better and have a purpose in life.
Your son and daughter will begin to live like most of the rest of world and become more productive and useful citizens.
But your wife will not let you do it!
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