Mofeez Murtaza March 3, 2003
#7 Posted by PaagalInsaan on March 4, 2003 2:13:34 pm
What will Waqar Younis call this now? The victory of Eeshwar over Allah??
Why don`t we hear the General and Waqar resign? I hope we all hear that soon, coz I want to see Saqlain in!
#6 Posted by desparado on March 4, 2003 2:13:08 pm
I must say u r a real supproter of pakistan, cause looking at there current team its really hard to say that they can beat india comfortably. Not that i don`t like pakistani team, I have always enjoyed watching them play specially against India. Over the years pakistan have produce high quality bowlers.
But the current team lack all of this qualities. And its is very much clear from there early departure from the world cup, and sincerely don`t wanted pakistan to qualify for super-six, not because i am indian but they have`nt beaten a single quality team in this world cup, so they don`t desrve to be in super six.
And as far as india govt. not allowing indian team to play to pakistan: I think its not because india is affraid of playing to pakistan or anything. but its pure politics, as it is pretty clear that india cricket board is wealthist board in the world. And pakistan cricket board is already suffering all kinds of financila problem. So, indian govt. is just trying to topple it even further.
I agree its completely unfair to mix sports and politics, but nothing is going fair between this two contries.
But the current team lack all of this qualities. And its is very much clear from there early departure from the world cup, and sincerely don`t wanted pakistan to qualify for super-six, not because i am indian but they have`nt beaten a single quality team in this world cup, so they don`t desrve to be in super six.
And as far as india govt. not allowing indian team to play to pakistan: I think its not because india is affraid of playing to pakistan or anything. but its pure politics, as it is pretty clear that india cricket board is wealthist board in the world. And pakistan cricket board is already suffering all kinds of financila problem. So, indian govt. is just trying to topple it even further.
I agree its completely unfair to mix sports and politics, but nothing is going fair between this two contries.
#5 Posted by HaroonMir on March 4, 2003 2:08:01 pm
Also in support of Mofeez bhai`s article and in response to Desperado...
Pakistan overall has a winning record over India - and location has nothing to do with it...
Pakistan has won 10 of its 14 ODIs in India, and has also won 32 of 57 games on neutral grounds...
They have a winning record in Canada (albeit slim), they are only marginally behind in Australia (3 wins vs 4 losses), and of the 57 games played on neutral grounds, only 24 were played in Sharjah (of these Pakistan won 18 but to flippantly suggest that these were due to umpiring is blantantly unfair especially considering that the tournaments in Sharjah have had neutral umpires)
Bottom line is that no matter how you look at it...Pakistan has a superior record against India in ODIs and India has a long way to go before it will equalize it...not playing against Pakistan of course will simply delay any chance they might have
Pakistan overall has a winning record over India - and location has nothing to do with it...
Pakistan has won 10 of its 14 ODIs in India, and has also won 32 of 57 games on neutral grounds...
They have a winning record in Canada (albeit slim), they are only marginally behind in Australia (3 wins vs 4 losses), and of the 57 games played on neutral grounds, only 24 were played in Sharjah (of these Pakistan won 18 but to flippantly suggest that these were due to umpiring is blantantly unfair especially considering that the tournaments in Sharjah have had neutral umpires)
Bottom line is that no matter how you look at it...Pakistan has a superior record against India in ODIs and India has a long way to go before it will equalize it...not playing against Pakistan of course will simply delay any chance they might have
#4 Posted by murtam on March 4, 2003 9:40:48 am
Reply to ``#3 by desparado on March 3, 2003 8:56pm PT
Mr. Murtaza, I have been reading ur articles. and if i remember correctly you said that you are not all that worried about India-Pakistan match you are more worried about Pakistan-Zimbabwe match.
I am not sure what u meant but if u were writing off india, then I am ``
What I meant was that I thought Pakistan could beat India comfortably. Obviously my prediction was incorrect.
``And in this article u mentioned that when indian team was according to u was not of class of Pakistan team, the indian govt. was not allowing them to play. but now india has a competitive team they r letting them play on neutral grounds. Then i must say that records has a major difference after india pakistan player stp playing in sharjha. because umpiring was a major diffrerence between two team. ``
Yes I think Indian govt did that on purpose. Otherwise if it was a principled decision why were the hockey teams going to each other`s countries to play series over the past few years. Also, there were junior teams that were playing each other. I do not believe that the Sharjah matches are the only reason why we are up 52-30 in one day matches over India. We beat them in India as well as all across the world.
``And I would more like to say, reader will prefer more a neutral cricketing article rather then a article all possible way in which pakistan can have won. ``
Do not misunderstand me. I am a Pakistani writing about Pakistani cricket. I do not even pretend to be writing as a global cricket fan. I have no problem with other authors writing from the Indian perspective or English perpective etc. I played cricket in Pakistan and am a Pakistani and have chosen to write from the Pakistani perspective. I do not think there is anything wrong with that. Do you?
Mr. Murtaza, I have been reading ur articles. and if i remember correctly you said that you are not all that worried about India-Pakistan match you are more worried about Pakistan-Zimbabwe match.
I am not sure what u meant but if u were writing off india, then I am ``
What I meant was that I thought Pakistan could beat India comfortably. Obviously my prediction was incorrect.
``And in this article u mentioned that when indian team was according to u was not of class of Pakistan team, the indian govt. was not allowing them to play. but now india has a competitive team they r letting them play on neutral grounds. Then i must say that records has a major difference after india pakistan player stp playing in sharjha. because umpiring was a major diffrerence between two team. ``
Yes I think Indian govt did that on purpose. Otherwise if it was a principled decision why were the hockey teams going to each other`s countries to play series over the past few years. Also, there were junior teams that were playing each other. I do not believe that the Sharjah matches are the only reason why we are up 52-30 in one day matches over India. We beat them in India as well as all across the world.
``And I would more like to say, reader will prefer more a neutral cricketing article rather then a article all possible way in which pakistan can have won. ``
Do not misunderstand me. I am a Pakistani writing about Pakistani cricket. I do not even pretend to be writing as a global cricket fan. I have no problem with other authors writing from the Indian perspective or English perpective etc. I played cricket in Pakistan and am a Pakistani and have chosen to write from the Pakistani perspective. I do not think there is anything wrong with that. Do you?
#3 Posted by desparado on March 3, 2003 8:56:59 pm
Mr. Murtaza, I have been reading ur articles. and if i remember correctly you said that you are not all that worried about India-Pakistan match you are more worried about Pakistan-Zimbabwe match.
I am not sure what u meant but if u were writing off india, then I am sure u got the massage that, it was too early for any comment (like what rawalpindi express realized after being derailed but little master and realized that speed is not what work agaist quality) , and if u meant that u were sure that pakistan is for sure to lose then still it was premature expression.
And in this article u mentioned that when indian team was according to u was not of class of Pakistan team, the indian govt. was not allowing them to play. but now india has a competitive team they r letting them play on neutral grounds. Then i must say that records has a major difference after india pakistan player stp playing in sharjha. because umpiring was a major diffrerence between two team.
And I would more like to say, reader will prefer more a neutral cricketing article rather then a article all possible way in which pakistan can have won.
I am not sure what u meant but if u were writing off india, then I am sure u got the massage that, it was too early for any comment (like what rawalpindi express realized after being derailed but little master and realized that speed is not what work agaist quality) , and if u meant that u were sure that pakistan is for sure to lose then still it was premature expression.
And in this article u mentioned that when indian team was according to u was not of class of Pakistan team, the indian govt. was not allowing them to play. but now india has a competitive team they r letting them play on neutral grounds. Then i must say that records has a major difference after india pakistan player stp playing in sharjha. because umpiring was a major diffrerence between two team.
And I would more like to say, reader will prefer more a neutral cricketing article rather then a article all possible way in which pakistan can have won.
#2 Posted by yusafkhan on March 3, 2003 3:05:38 pm
Firaq..I agree! We have to bat first and go for the big score...I think the mentality should be either we win by the right margin or we lose because I would much rather see Zimbabwe go through rather than England. Eventhough I think Shoab chokes at the first challenge we need him because we have to get wickets. He has to bowl fast, short and go for the batsman`s upper body...let them try to hook it!
#1 Posted by firaq on March 3, 2003 1:47:37 pm
Nice match report...two key moments in the two innings...Inzi`s runout put Pakistan on the backfoot and Razzaq`s dropped catch of Sachin would have swung the momentum paksitan`s way. Against Zimbabwe, they have to bat first, score 350 and get them out for 162. Batting second, Pak has to score whatever Zimbabwe score between 10-15 overs, which becomes nearly impossible if Zimbabwe scores over 100.
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